where can i get this at^^^^^^^^
i was wondering where i can find a tpi setup for my 305 because i am wanting to run 2 twin turbos that will be puting out about 800

 

at my house


I have one from a 1989 350 tpi formula. it has been sitting for a while but worked perfect until I removed it

 

BONEYARD

 

why a 305 ?

 

i have one on ebay starting monday again. 99% compete with wiring harness, computer, distributor, everything in that pic above, air box, MAF, etc etc. Reserve will be set at $300, the top has been polished and the runners painted black, should look like a spider sitting on a motor. PM me if interested before then with a money order, or I can setup a buy it now on ebay if you're concerned about it.

 

800 what? Good luck with 800 anything out of a 305 TPI.

You can find them on the TGO classifieds somewhat regularly, as well as Ebay, providing you don't get the ones already listed here.

That reminds me, I need to start looking for a stock 90-92 plenum, I think I ruined mine.

 

maybe thats what he has, i have a 305 with 9k miles on it i just supercharged it, i have a 350 sitting on the engine stand to go in as a replacement, but theres no need to do it now. going by your name do you have a v6?

 

Thanks man. yes that is all i have because i don't have very much money(since im only 15). so i have to stick with what i have...ya get what im sayin dude.....lol

 

Then you don't have enough money for a TPI twin-turbo setup, unless you're very good at fabrication and have 110% of the tools you need, a welder being way up there on the list, and have access to a cheap, loaded junkyard as well. Then you'll still probably need nearly a couple thousand dollars.

If you meant 800hp, then you're barking up the wrong tree. 800hp is possible, but not without lots of money, and not with a stock 305 TPI.

 

well i have about 20 grand to spend on my car but thats for everything i want done to the car...body work....engine.....interior.....and suspension. so i cant spend too much on one part of my car(see what im getting at).i want to spend like $7000 on the engine to make it hit around 800 hp levle if it is possible.....i think it would be cool to have a twin turbo setup, thats all...dont blow my dreams plz lol

 

Your spending ****ing 20k on a thirdgen in one clip? Oh, your never going to make 800 crank or rwhp outta a 305 without putting that whole 20k into it. Even if you do you would never be able to drive it the engine would be idling around 5,000 rpm. I suggest you get used to driving the car and modding it slowly... 8 times outta ten says your gonna crash your first car especially since your 15 and have never had some of the damn expriences most of us have. The best idea, is to clean up the body and interior. I mean mint it out, then drop in a 300hp 350 Ramjet crate engine in it and a t-56. The best idea is to drop a good portion of the money into the suspension, brakes and tires. That way when you do eventually total the car you can swap everything on to the next one.

I personally dont believe you would even have the 20k, but remeber if you go road racing even with a car with 300hp, you need a damn good suspension. You definitely sound young saying 800hp. When I was your age I was looking for about 400hp and was told I was an idoit.. build it slow, and yes a tt350 will eventually sustain your 800hp goal, but once you do that you will not be able to control the car on the road.

I have alot of fun in my 240hp toy... even the high horsepower guys agree 500hp is the point of diminishing returns.

http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y22...t=100B0062.jpg

http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y22...t=scan0006.jpg

 

Oh yeah kid, listening to you I know what you intend to do, first off a 300hp v8 will own most cars on the road, especially in a 3rdgen platform with a nice suspension. But to remind you of what your gonna do, face the reality check and just look at the drivers seat. In the past 3 years I have lost about 20 good friends to racing wrecks/cars accidents.

Think of the drivers..
LS1 car
http://www.camarosource.ca/new_site/wrecks/wreck66.jpg

LT1 car, notice how the pickup just lost its front end...
http://www.camarosource.ca/new_site/wrecks/wreck39.jpg

An Iroc-Z, notice the blood on the windshield
http://www.camarosource.ca/new_site/wrecks/wreck22.jpg

Your car, no thats not a convertible...
http://www.camarosource.ca/new_site/wrecks/wreck8.jpg

Feel free to browse...
Welcome To Camarosource.ca  - Internet's Largest Most Complete

Camaro Resource Site

 

Only 20K to spend on the car at 15? Ha ha, if I had 20K when I was 15 I would have had one of the nicest dirt bikes around. Anyway, depending on the shape of the car I would plan on 3K for interior stuff (with the roll cage for 800HP) and including gauges. Another 4K for the bodywork and paint. That leaves you with 20-(3+4) = 13K. Probably about 3K for a rear-end and tires. Another 2K for the trans. & convertor or stick setup. Another 2K for suspension stuff.
Let's see what is left for the engine......20-(3+4+3+2+2)= $6K. The turbo setup will probably run you about 3K roughly. So you have 3K left for the engine. Might as well go with a Holley Stealth Ram for the 800HP and a good ignition. The fuel & ignition stuff will probably be about 2K. Now you have 1K left for the engine itself. A cam & heads should do it.
Since the stock 305ci with blow up at 800HP levels I would start saving up for a forged 350ci+ bottom end.

That is all assuming you want a mint looking car and have the drivetrain strong enough for 800HP. Real world..........spend just the 3K on the turbos on the 305 ci and make about 350-500 FWHP. Then decide if you need more HP. At that HP level, the trans. will break. The rear-end will break if you drive it hard with sticky tires.

If you like building car stuff, then build it. Read as much as you can from different people. Talk to local engine shops. They usually like talking about stuff to newbies because you will become a repeat customer and give you info. you may or may not need.

 

yeah I would like to know how a 15 year old gets 20'000 ???????

 

Please get your stories straight. $20k is a lot of money for a car, be it a used car to mod, a new car, be you 15 or 30 or 50. People usually don't have $20k to spend on a car all at once.

If you were going to spend $7000 on an engine, why would you stay with a 305 simply because you don't have much money for the engine? You're making no sense.

I don't want to crush any dreams, as I have those too. I will urge you to be honest with yourself and with others, and come down to reality. If you really want your dreams to come true, you will work hard toward that goal and one day it will happen. But please for everyone's sake don't come on here and cross your stories, it makes you sound very insincere. The first thing you need to do before modding anything is to research, take a break, then research some more. Always research. You have no idea of the value of this simple task until you do it. Then when you have a very good grasp on how things work, go start your trial and error. You must understand that building anything to that status isn't simple, or cost effective.
After you search for answers, ask us real tech questions about what you may want to do in the future, and be conservative with your approach. (Don't throw out numbers, they may be very unrealistic). We'll be glad to help.

McDamit, please look in the mirror, then leave your ignorant YOUNG misinformation somewhere else. You're not better than him and I'm not better than you and he's not better than me, etc., so please don't have that attitude and think you've been through SO MUCH more than anyone else.

If $20k was a number that was real, then you would listen to junkcltr. I pretty much agree, except that $6k for everything would be very hard pressed to build a complete 800hp engine.

 

i have more money than 20k(i get it because of my fathers death) but i dont want to spend it all on my car because i still need some for school and a house ect..... i thought i could build an engine capable of putting out 800hp with $7000......evidently not(im sorry for thinking that)...but you could help me out by telling me the what the engine buildup may cost....i guess i could put a bit more money towards it...and maybe i guess i can put a 350 in it so it will make better since. im not trying to make any enemies here or sound like a punk kid that know everything(because the truth is i don't and their is always something to learn).......so now you see i'm not crossing my stories, but im telling the truth. i dont lie to people i'm not like that

 

first of all...I'M NOT A RACER...ok. and second if i put all this money and time into it i would want to take care of this car. i dont do stuped s*** like driving fast.....i like to cruse around with my thump thump music on...lol. i know doing dumb things like that get ya killed.....i've seen it happen.
ph and those pics u showed me....i think i want to cry

 

Hes got a dream so who cares, he can do whatever he wants.

It is easyer and less expensive to learn from others mistakes, remember that one.

It is possible to run a blow through TT with a holley carb modded for blow through. Air Fuel Timing.

 

since my dad died on October 5, 2003...i get his rail road pension that he had....im not sure how it works but i get $1600 every month till im out of school. and every year the check i get goes up $100 so next year ill be getting $1700 a mont and so on......i use this money for school and i bought my camaro with it and my two 4 wheelers....and its always been my dream to fix up a car and make it a show quality car that wins 1st place at all the car shows.....because i got to out do my brother-inlaw and his big blue sivlerado 1500.......but doesnt everyone.

 

Okay man, $7000 for 800hp.

Try this combo:

- 400 SBC 2-bolt, add splayed caps
also do those block mods like porting oil passages and vents, etc.
- Your rotating assembly is gonna have to be tough, so forged everything
- Balance that stuff
- Forced induction twin turbos, that will save your wallet on your heads
- Then its basically finding the matched cam, stroke, turbos for your setup.
Like you are gonna have to get all the expensive parts like bolts, studs, girdles, roller cam, heads, springs, gaskets, timing chain, oil pump, and on and on.

Turbomustang.com is unfortunatly the turbo place on the planet, lots of good info. Do your homework and you'll get it done.

I went into desktop dyno and did a quick setup using a huge turbo and huge cam got to 800hp, lets just hope it stays together (I'd use a safer 3.48 stroke) cause you need to be shifting at 8000 RPMs.

Then with all that HP, you need a driveline to handle it. You'd also better save some of that cash for the high octane fuel.
----------
Sorry you lost your dad

No one should tell you what to do with YOUR money, but people can make suggestions. College is worth the experience and education, especially if you know exactly what you want to do.

 

Steve, I know I'm young, but as far as this **** goes I have learned my lessons. Holy **** man, between having the Iroc airborne over a ravine, almost getting killed in road racing, the thing with the cops, totaling that ***** into the brickwall and losing one of my best buddies to this ****, I just dont want to see him getting into the same **** I did. What goes through your head when a 15 year old with money asks how to build 500hp engine, or some father who isn't thinking, drops a big block into his 16 year old kids RS or base model Firebird. The kids gonna race the **** out of it, over correct when he loses it and its over. I have been lucky as hell and I never said I was better than him.

Though Steve, please tell me where telling any kid to invest more money into suspension, rubber and brakes shows ignorance. I have broken enough **** mostly by my own damn fault to learn. If I can afford it, Ill be hitting AutoX this summer by request of my friends. Idk Steve, maybe you dont remeber the **** that broke me and stopped my engine build up. I know we have all see our own **** and lost our buddies to it.



BTW man..to RS305, having 800hp in that engine would be unusuable and the car would be impossible to drive, especially in the rain.. If you get stuck out there with 300ft lbs. up you will realize that the whole car likes to drive sideways. Handle it accordingly, be very light on torque application by using the clutch, take it out of gear, slowly put it back in and use finesse when recovering. Take care, Ryan.


Sorry, about ur father.

 

I am sorry you lost your Father. First thing, you are spending the money wisely by choosing school. Learning comes way before building stuff. You can save a lot of money by learning stuff about cars before buying parts for it. Buying things twice always cost more than buying things once.......well, most of the time. Having a dream and sticking to it is a great thing. I bought an old Pontiac GTO when I was 15 and took it all apart to do a frame off. I finished the frame, engine, trans, and floor and quarter panel work. It has been sitting in the garage that way for some years now. Still got the dream though and dabble with it here and there. I had a 400HP (engine dyno) camaro when I was 16 and I am still alive. Riding your 4-wheelers will teach you the respect you need for high HP / weight ratio machines. Some people have self control and some don't. I know a lot of people that don't and a lot of people that do. No one on a website can figure out if you do or don't.

I read what I wrote earlier and it sounded like you could make 800HP with the 305ci with heads & cam. I didn't mean it to come out that way. That motor would be in the 350-500 FWHP range with proper turbos and remain streetable. It would handle great and look excellent.

Welcome to Turbo Mustangs.com is an excellent site. Do a search for rotoryota (Ira) there. He is running a 2nd gen. Camaro (race setup) in the 8 second 1/4 mile range. It is making high HP (above 800HP). You can download videos of it at Welcome to boostdoctor.com. It will give you an idea of what an 8 second car looks like with some traction (wheels way up in some videos).

If you get into the car electronic stuff then the entire poor traction thing becomes non-existant. You can computer control engine timing and turbo wastegates to remove horsepower at a flick of a switch. You can do the same with a regular boost controller and timing retard box. So it doesn't really have to be all computer controlled.

My 2 cents, spend it on school first, put a little into an investment fund, then the car (bodywork/interior/twin turbo on the 305ci), then the 4-wheeler. I am not saying that is what you should do. That is what I would do........but that is coming from an old fart.

Junk

 

I'm not one to come on here and call you a liar, if you're sensible (keyword) in our advice giving it's not an issue, and all I can do is assume you're telling the truth until proven otherwise.
Sorry for your loss, that would be rough.
Lots of money on your future life being first priority is for sure the advice I would give, any sensible parent would agree.

I didn't say he couldn't or shouldn't do what he wants. I said he should get his stories straight so it doesn't seem like he's blowing smoke, which happens all too often. If it's all true and it's his dream, you're definitely right, we're no one to stop him. We can give advice though, which is what McDamit actually seems to be trying to do for once.

I definitely agree, it's better to learn from others mistakes, usually those people want others to learn from their mistakes too.

I was referring to your attitude toward him... "Oh yeah kid", and also referring to stuff like "8 times outta ten says your gonna crash your first car especially since your 15 and have never had some of the damn expriences most of us have."
And misinformation like "Even if you do you would never be able to drive it the engine would be idling around 5,000 rpm." Come on now. Are you ever going to learn? I suppose that is the only real misinformation though. Just be humble with your attitude. We could all use some more of that.
"When I was your age I was looking for about 400hp and was told I was an idoit.. "? LOL, that was last year, dude.
At least you aren't still lying to everyone by SAYING you have 400hp like you were last year. It seems that you are growing up a little bit. Thank you.


As for $7k for 800hp, I still have serious doubts. A rotating assembly to handle 800 hp will cost around $2k alone. That's for crank, rods, pistons, rings. A stock $200 4-bolt 400 blockmight handle it, but the machine work for typical stuff for 800hp (that won't fall apart the first time it sees that much) will be around another $1k. That's bored, honed, decked, align bored, etc. Then you'll probably have to use block filler to be safe.

You're up to 3.2 grand for a bottom end, not counting minor parts like good caps and bolts, oil pump, etc. which would be around $300 total, and throw in another $100 for bearings, gaskets, etc. Remember we're talking about 800hp, not 400 or 500. 800 is pushing the limits of lots of things.
So that's $3600 give or take simply for a bottom end. That's half of the $7k right there, and this is if you build it yourself, not counting tools.
Oh wait, forgot the solid cam and lifters, another $200 minimum. $3800.

You can port to death stock heads and put them on there, that should be fine for flow with boost. But you'll have to spend a hundred or so having them resurfaced and checked, on top of the valvetrain you'll need to rev to get there. Valvesprings, all related minor parts. Another $200 but probably more.

Forget about fuel injection for that price range (Does it need to be emissions legal? If so you're screwed anyway, heh). Intake + boost carb, $500. $4.6k Fuel pump? I dunno, but $200 might do you for a mechanical that would support it (Not sure, maybe more?). $4.8k
At this point plus minor costs I didn't figure in as well as being conservative for a 800hp worthy engine, you should be about ready to start getting it ready for a 800hp TT setup.

Two identical turbo-deisel truck turbos, $400. Rebuild kits, $100. $5.3k
I really doubt you could feasibly flow 800 through modified stock manifolds, so you'd need to do something about that. Cheap way, flip over S10 conversion shorties. Looks like about $150. Then you have to have flanges welded on and make brackets to hold the turbos so they don't crack them, just say $100.
Now to connect your turbos to some exhaust, you'll have to get downpipes welded up to some big exhaust. Doing dual 2.5" ending behind either front tire with small mufflers would be easiest, just say. Easily another $400 for the work if you have it done (can you weld, do you have a welder?). $6k about now. Carb bonnet, $100. Front mount air/air intercooler for honest 800hp, $500. All piping, couplings, clamps to get from two turbos to one IC inlet to carb bonnet, $500. $7100. Fittings, feedlines and drainlines for turbos, $100 about, prolly more. $7200. Blow off valves for 400hp worth of air to not get blown back into each turbo, well you could do twin (single won't be enough) 1G DSM BOV's plus welding them on for around $100 more. $7300. Manual boost controller to run 15-20 psi, $50 (fit in where I left that out earlier). Ignition, $300 (MSD BTM-6). $7600. Thick wires, plugs, $100. $7700. I know I left a lot of stuff out, $100 easy misc (I'm sure it's more). $7800. Wide band setup so you can actually tune without blowing it to bits, $300? Boost gauge, $50.

Honestly, I can't think of any more. If my quick parts list is anywhere near accurate (somebody tell me if you see wrong or missing info), then I'm honestly surprised that it's only a little over $8k. That's still more than $7k, but not by much.
I still think I was being conservative and that's all a very marginal setup to support NO MORE than 800hp, which means it'll probably blow up before too many years go by. Every 800hp SBC I've ever seen had a lot more than that into it.
Keep in mind, that's with you doing ALL the work, minus machine work. Then you have a totally un-street legal, un street friendly setup that'll get it towed if anybody important finds out.
In reality for a solid reliable 800hp TT SBC, take that $8k figure and DOUBLE it. Sucks, but works out every time.
Remember the rest of the car? Now you need to replace all that.
Does that give you any idea of what's realistically involved?
----------
(automerged double post it says, haha)
Good post. I was still typing mine when you posted.
About the non-issue traction though, even with the ability to slow things down, having 800hp requires that 800hp comes about at sometime, hehe. Even with things happening more smoothly overall, 800hp and it's torque will hit and break loose very suddenly still, I don't think you can tame that in a thirdgen on anything other than nice slicks.

 

If you like fourth gens you could just buy a 1000 Rear wheel hp camaro. A guy that I know has his 94 camaro for sale. 383, Twin turbo. Any yes it has dyno sheets to back the 1000 hp up with.
1200hp Camaro for Sale - Twin Cities Mustangs Forum

 

With those types of goals I dont think TPI is the right intake for you. I too have high HP goals that involve a twin turbo application, I've done alot of research into what works for other people and what dosnt. After looking at ALOT of intakes that will work with our 23 degree heads, I've concluded Singleplane EFI is the best way to go for high HP applications. But more important that the intake is the heads and cam, and of course the strength of the bottom end. I know alot of people dont agree with me, but I think engine displacement becomes less important in a boosted application. Hey everyone got their own opinion. Along with the engine and turbo build you also need to take into account the supporting systems for the engine, the cooling syste, the oil system, the fuel system, the ECM and tuning, etc, etc. Then of course like these guys said, gotta take the drivetrain into account, brakes, suspension, tires. What I would do in your situation is focus on all the supporting systems first. Make sure the car can handle and support those types of power levels. But you know, its really up to you.

I dont want to come across like I'm trying to tell you what to do but I would highly recommend you re-think what you're doing with your money. Make good choices man. I'm very sorry to hear about your situation with your father, I imagine you're going through some hard times. But before going out and spending money, I really think you should sit on it and think about what you wanna do. I know you want to build this car because its fun, but sometimes its better in the long run to be patient with your money, be smart with it. I remember at one point I had saved up ALOT of money for my car hobby, but instead I used the money as a down payment on a foreclosed house, fixed it up, and sold it. I ended up making a very good profit, enough to do 5 times the ammount of mods I had originally wanted. Once I realized how much money can be made with good investments, I'm actually making more money doing that than I am working 40 hours a week. Just have to be patient and think it out. So I dunno, just giving you this perspective because you're going to be making alot of important choices soon. Putting your money into something that appreciates in value is smarter than putting it into something that depreciates like a car or a truck. Good luck!!

 

Oh yeah steve I know, umm I was 15 when I came out with the 400hp liner. I'll be 19 in a few months.. Time flies man.

But generally, when a someone at the age of 15 says I want 800hp its not for competition via car shows. Hence why I said the statement your gonna probably crash your first car.. I mean I dont like to drive my 240hp ****box in the rain let alone something with 4-800hp and if he were to use one hell of a modified tpi system 750 to 800ft lbs+. Im just being realistic, yeah a 800hp 4 banger can be controlled.. IE supra,, try to achieve the same thing with a v8 with someone who has very little driving exprience.

 

Mcdamit, you’re the last one to be giving anyone advice…

ChevyRS-305- I’m sorry to hear about your father, but listen to some of what people have said here…, there are much better ways for you to spend that kind of money then the car, even though I’d bet hat everyone here would love to drop that kind of coin on their ride…

As far as the rest of this…, wow…

What do you do with 800hp if it’s not to race? (this is coming from someone who has assembled parts that will get me into that range fairly easily, though I suspect my short block won’t live long at that HP, of course I have a serious case of a "need for speed")

If it’s a show car that you want to give the impression of some power, well, clean it up, dress up the engine, put a cam with some overlap in it, put some nice headers and exhaust and no one will know for sure if you’re making 300hp or 800… unless you’re racing.

As far as the original post, well I can’t for the life of me figure this out… if you’re serious about what you want to do then I can’t imagine how you’re going to get there if you can’t find a stock TPI.

800hp… heads that flow somewhere in the low 200cfm range about .050-.100” below your peak lift (if it’s going to be a street car that should be somewhere below .600”), intake that matches that (you could actually do it with a TPI), cam that makes peak hp around 5500rpm, redline around 6000 or so rpm…

Twin turbos… well realistically there are lots of reasonable choices there.

Transmission… well, easy answer is something like a TH400. I wanted to keep overdrive and I’m swapping to a 4L80e, otherwise a nicely optioned T56, TKO600 (maybe) or an assortment of semi race transmissions (I’m a big fan of the actual G-force tranny’s even though I don’t like their upgrade kits for the T5 and T56).

Rear… 9” with a locker or a spool. If you find traction racing something with 800hp you’ll start twisting axle tubes/housings on something like a 12 bolt. I’m installing a Moser 9”, nodular center section, 3.50 gears (probably a bit on the steep side for the original plans, something like a 3.25 would have been a better choice, but I keep stumbinging into more serious parts that are making those gears look better), 35 spline axles, locker and LT1 style rear brakes. About the only other viable alternative is the new dana 60 (is it Strange that is making it? I can’t remember right now…)

 

I have to agree.. If it's a show car you want.. an identicle 500HP and a 800HP car is likely not going to get better looks than the other unless you start the car and in the show, you don't run the engine.. So it's VISUAL.. Stock the engine bay full of chrome parts, nice clean rims, cam, loud exhaust,sound system, custom interior and perhaps paint. and you HAVE A SHOW CAR..

A SHOW CAR and a RACE CAR (pretty much you're not going to be driving a 800hp car on the road unless you are racing) are completely different aspects.

I can pretty much GUARENTEE you that no matter how much you think you can control yourself, if you have 800HP under your hood just a TAP of the gas away, you *** WILL *** push that car to experience that power. And one false move and can be either in the hospital, killing someone, or yourself.

Like I said, if you want a SHOW CAR.. Build a car with VISUAL aspects, if you have a RACE CAR for the track (NOT THE STREETS), then build for HP.