I just got off the phone with Tony at Charged Air systems.I had been emailing him back and forth about a thirdgen kit.He told me late winter it will be started.But,I called him today,I wanted to make sure it was definatly going to be made,well the answer will get most here interested.Yes it is definate,but it will be done after the other 2 projects he has to do.He should be postin here soon.It will include a T60 and intercooler,for around $3500,but the price is not set as he wants to see if twins will fit Wohoo.No more who makes turbo for my thirdgen posts,now a kit will be made.This is great news.Here is his #1-847-223-0743.He is a easy going guy.Let him know you are interested.

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Check out my Hompage,or the beginnings of one.355 dynoed at 400HP at 5800RPM & 410LBFT of TQ,on Motorhttp://www.procharged89z.cz28.com/index.html

 

I will call when I get a Chance... Thanks for the info.

Steve

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92 Camaro 305 TBI Automatic
https://www.thirdgen.org/rides/index...ew&rideid=6100

 

Also, For what type of engine is he making it? LO3? 350? TPI? TBI?

thanks again

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92 Camaro 305 TBI Automatic
https://www.thirdgen.org/rides/index...ew&rideid=6100

 

It will be most likley for TPI,but it doesnt matter,for someone like you,with the TBI,everything else is the same,The pipes will end at the TPI tb,but you will have to extend it a foot or less to the TB.

 

I bet it would be easier to do a twin kit on a thirdgen. Header clearance for a single setup is hard to come by. Especially with a stock k-member.

Great news though!!



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-86 IROC

-=ICON Motorsports=-

 

i was going to be the guinea pig for this project

last i talked to him he was going to make it a single turbo kit with the turbo sitting on the driver side so that you could keep the a/c

he also told me this the price includes what you need MINUS the proper fuel system

he also told me that turbo/intercooler selection could be changed to accomodate different people's hp gain

i've known about this for a long time but didn't say anything because i wasn't sure if he REALLY planned to do this.

 

I think the single turbo system will be more cost effective,simpler,and produce more power than most of us ever need.

I also wanted to say Tony DeQuick and Charged Air System are great people and offer the best as far as quality and workmanship,he does the best intercoolers for the GN and TTA community.

Steve

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1989 Turbo Trans Am's #124 and #850
1989 Turbo GTA,600hp 3.8L SFI TURBO
2001 Kawasaki ZX-6R
www.tta850.com

 

Thats sound very interesting! I was thinking of getting a ATI but know I'll wait!

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GTA -89:383, 4-bolt,Free flow muffler,dual 3" HF cats, Edelbrock headers, Canfield heads, 1.52 RR 7/16, ZZ-9 cam, Big Mouth, AS&M LTR, !plenum, 52 TB, MSD 6AL, TPIS level V prom, Superior shift-kit and all the minor mods,looking for a SR ...
http://www.itv.se/tacs/members_cars/m279/m279.html (Swedish Trans Am Club)

 

I would like to see a single turbo setup , base kit that would easily make 400/450hp on a decent 350 engine... maybe with a smaller turbo so there's less heat and without an intercooler..

it would be great if the price could be around $2000

but that's what I would like to get lol

 

I am with the smurf. I would hope the kit would be around 2-3K. 5K is a little high for us backyard wrenchers..that price puts it WAY out of reach. If its closer to the supercharger option it will sell MUCH better as well.

 

You cant even purchase all the materials for a complete turbo system for 2K. To sell it that low would be literally, GIVING it away.

 

Cmon you guys,lot of people want a turbo kit,no one is being made and people are complaining about the price.$3500 is a deal.My ATi D1sc kit retails from the cheapest vendor,$3800,and this doesnt include headers.just the intercooler and turbo alone would put you near the $2000 mark.Listen to Guido,he is in it as of right now and can tell you how much it is,SS is expansive.Also what Ive read here and heard is Tony does excellent work.



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Check out my Hompage,or the beginnings of one.355 dynoed at 400HP at 5800RPM & 410LBFT of TQ,on Motorhttp://www.procharged89z.cz28.com/index.html

 

this would be really nice if he could to a twin turbo kit, personaly i would rather have TT, so there is less turbo lag.

 

I'd bite in a red hot second. For my app, it would probably only be the Headers, turbo's, waste gate, & the tube that connects to the TB. But........... that would get me 100 times further than I am right now.

I would prefer a TT as well. & think that anyone that makes a nice SB TT header would make a killing. I bet that if some header mfg took Grape Apes (www.grapeaperacing.com/GrapeApeRacing/camaro/turbo/pics/header2.jpg ) Header, & mass produced it, they would fit 99% SBC engine bays (probably excluding Vette's).

BW

[This message has been edited by Bobalos (edited November 30, 2001).]

 

I'd pay $3500 for a 3rdgen turbo kit! I can't wait to hear of further developements!

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'91 Camaro RS - TBI 305 - medium garnet - '91-'92 Z28 wheels - leather - all power options (except power seat) - t-tops - Clarion head unit - Pioneer 4way 200watt 6x9s - Rockford Fosgate Punch amp and 2 Fosgate 12" subs - Edelbrock open element w/ K&N filter - Random Technology highflow cat - some free mods, more coming soon...

 

If its a single kit and puts the turbo on the drivers side i'll be ALL over it, no twins, all you worried about lag, well quit worrying, a proper single is gonna work juuust fiiiiine, mine has to be a single on the drivers side due to my LT1 :/ someone let me know.

 

Wow, that is perfect! Great timing for when I will want it.

Douglas

[This message has been edited by AmorgetRS (edited December 01, 2001).]

 

Just an idea to help start this thing off, guys the way most other of these "iffy" things get put into production is if people actually start laying down money instead of talking - deposits, if the kit will put a single turbo on the drivers side i'll be willing to put a $1000 deposit for my kit, anyone else up for this so it will actually get produced ?

 

While I agree with your thinking,I would definatly not be putting money down on anything that is only on the drawing board.Trust me,being the first to get the system,you are usually a guinne pig,let the bugs be worked out first.A reputable company will not need money down to develop a kit.Case in point,I have angle l98 plug heads,the headers he will make might only fit the stock heads,what im trying to say is everyone had a different combo,so tweaks might be needed here and there.Ill wait until the actual production begins before putting down any money.

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Check out my Hompage,or the beginnings of one.355 dynoed at 400HP at 5800RPM & 410LBFT of TQ,on Motorhttp://www.procharged89z.cz28.com/index.html

 

anyone that thinks a turbo kit should be cheaper than a blower has been smoking more than thier tires. on all levels, development costs, engineering, packageing, the amount of items required in the kit, and last but not least, demand. as long as there are more buyers than there are kits why should the price be close to that of a blower.

 

FWIW: Be careful who you have develop a turbosystem. CAS may be good at radiators, intercoolers, and other heat exchangers, but how much actual experience do they have developing turbosystems? My friend is having a "prototype" LS1 turbosystem done by CAS, and they STILL can't get it to work right after months of development. Be cautious...

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Current rides:

1994 Supra Twin Turbo
$900 worth of bolt-on's
12.18 @ 117.4 on 18" Pirelli's
Greddy T78 single turbo SOON!
High 9's in style...

1987 Trans Am
Gutted beyond belief
Aluminum-headed EFI Pontiac 455" engine
Twin TD07-25G turbos
8's would be nice...

Past rides:

1987 T/A, 400" Ram Air III
1989 Turbo T/A, 11's with bolt-on's
1989 Formula 383", DFI, Vortech S-trim
10.79 @ 125.8

 

The kit will most likely be twins since it is much easier to package in the car than a single, but until we actually jump into it, I can't say anything. We have to finish the LS1 f-body TT kit, then have a LT1 f-body kit and C5 kit to finish before we start on the 3rd gen kit. The kit will be for TPI motors but would probably work on the TBIs with diffrent plumbing.

And Dan (GMI FAST), as for Charlie Givalancz's '99 twin turbo car, it's coming along quite well. Considering it's only been running since mid October, I don't think we're too far off base. Clutch problems prevented us from getting a good number at the track, but 491 RWHP @ 6 psi with the A/F so fat it was off the scale of the wideband isn't a bad start. Turning the fuel pressure down 10 psi netted us a 39 RWHP gain but the PCM was correcting the BLM cell for WOT on the next dyno run, and our power would go away again. Charlie and I spoke with Ed Wright at PRI last weekend and he has 3 PCMs he's sending us to try out with various fuel curves. I expect we will be in the 530-550 range at 6 psi with the correct fueling.

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Tony DeQuick - tonyd@chargedair.com
(847)223-0743
http://www.chargedair.com

[This message has been edited by Tony DeQuick (edited December 04, 2001).]

 

My Car HAULS *** !!!!!!!
However the tuning is way off! Plus there's a whole bunch of little things to be worked out. But......It's awesome.

Charlie

 

@ WOT the pcm does not correct for fuel (@ least in the older ECM's they dont), how it is running it rich again? is the flash pcm different than the older ECM's that run solely off of the VE Table & the PE tables?

is this an aftermarket ECM?

BW

 

My ECM is based off of the MAF frequency and the WOT tables. The MAF currently pegs out the tuning in the PCM. The PCM is a custom programmed number from Ed Wright. Currently the WOT table is WAY too rich. When Ed programmed it he tried to put something in that was really safe. Well it's so safe that it bottoms out the wideband. Less than 10.0:1 A/F. Ed never did a set of 42.5's on a FI car. So it makes sense that he needs a couple of tries to get it right. Or take a trip down there.

In any case I'm sending the PCM in and I'll re-dyno. As for the other parts.....there are some small issue that still need to be worked out but nothing earth shattering.

 

Ooooooooooh, I see. I did not consider that it was MAF. I guess that I never thought that the MAF ECM's continue to use the MAF input even @ WOT. the SD cars "essentialy" go completely to the LU tables & run off of that. I did not consider that the MAF cars continue ot use the MAF @ WOT.

That being said, I would imagine that the MAF is always going to be maxed out every time you hammer on it. makes me wonder how you tune around that. if it never knows what the top truely is. I guess that you tune WOT in for best O2 & HP & let everthing between the maxed out MAF & the WOT air flow be whatever it ends up being. Hmmmmmm, interesting.

Hope that it works out for you. I would love to get an update. I dont suppose that in that body style, that there is much to look @. Good luck.

BW

 

All I can say is, build it and we will pay. GM decided to kill the f-body, I went to a website to b**h to GM. I also put my money where my mouth is and bought an '01 WS6. I've also been waiting for a turbo kit, make it, I will buy it. But try to give us an ETA: I'd like a turbo when racing in the Silver State classic next year.

Later, Dave '91 GTA, '01 WS6 T/A

 

Anyone ever heard of Incon, in Florida?
I think they already make twins for 82-92
(407)-831-6040

Kevin

 

Man, I started saving my extra tips after tuition payments to save up for a procharger... but if a turbo setup is available for that price, I'd even be able to afford it down the line....

Make it!
Jon

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89 GTA
Beautiful Gunmetal gray, LB9 305 and T5 tranny. Only 60,000 miles!
Dual cats, 3"flomaster
Accel 300+ Ignition, wires, cap, coil, etc
Airfoil
KN Airfilter
Removed Screens on MAF
SLP 1 3/4 headers
No Smog/AIR system
14.7@93 (I know i should be running faster...)

91 Ford Thunderbird. My wonderful winter beater.

 

Where did you get this info? I called the number on the incon web page today and they said that they do not make a kit for 3rd gens.

 

Well this is good news. I was kinda dissappointed with the whole gail banks thing. It's cool to see the company is looking in, to see what we have to say and responding to it. But the best news is retaining ac.