Wasn't sure where to post this. I was trying to sell my camaro to a guy that was supposedly in England. He said he would send me a cashiers check for more than I was asking (like$5,000 more), and for me to Western Union the remainder of the money to one of his contacts here in the states to arrange for shipping of the vehicle. It sounded strange to me but I figured I would wait til I got the check and the bank cleared it before I sent the money or car anywhere. The check turned out to fake. The bank manager checked it out for me but she said that usually the cashier check can take up to a week to verify if it is real, but federal law states that at least $5000 must be made available to you by the next day even if the check hasn't been evaluated yet. THIS is what the con artists are counting on. The bank manager told me this scam has been happening for the past 6 months and is usually routed through NIGERIA. The person tells you to send the "extra" money to their associate, since you can get it the next day, then the bank finds out the check is fake and you are out the money and maybe the car if you already sent it. So be extra careful with cashiers checks from over seas. Have your bank call the bank on the cashiers check to verify the info before sending the money. The bank on the check I was sent, was an actual bank in Delaware, just the info was not correct. I just hope nobody else gets taken for a ride.

 

sorry to hear about ur trouble, glad u didnt get ripped off.

 

lot of peopel would of jumped in and took the bait, and lost their cash.

 

not to sound high and mighty but, maybe because I've been screwed so many times. I send nothing until I have green in my hand. Nothing. don't like that? too bad. I got your money, I'll get your stuff to you in the time I said it would be there and it will be in the condition I stated. If you want it sooner than that. tough. I don't care.

But that's just my outlook. gotta play a little hard when money is involved. The more money involved. The bigger the a-hole I become. I never screwed anyone. Yet I get screwed. then again. that all depends on what your interpretation of being screwed is.

 

bad_turbo -

Was it Danny Laker Auto in the UK? If so, he also contacted me with the same scam about buying my RS.

 

No, the guy that tried to sam me was supposedly named Nill Moore from England. Sellers need to beware also:

Although buyers are at risk, so are sellers sometimes. One of the more prevalent scams going on right now is to stop or bounce checks. It works like this; The buyer goes to the sellers house and looks over the car – he then agrees to buy the car and gives the seller a personal check telling him it’s good and that to prove it he can call the bank to have them verify it’s good over the phone (which at that point in time it is).



The seller then gives the buyer the car and the title and lets him drive away. The buyer then heads straight to his bank and promptly removes all the money form his account. (This can even be done electronically now from any computer) Typically this scam will happen late in the week, so the seller doesn’t find out the check is no good until several days later when the thief is long gone. To make matters worse, many insurance companies won’t pay out under these circumstances because the car was given up willingly!


Some sellers have been in this situation but thought they were protected because were handed a ‘Cashiers check’, WRONG! Cashiers checks CAN be stopped, ask your bank. There are also some damn good counterfeit checks out there – with today’s technology they can make them convincing enough to fool a bank manager – and when your bank calls the telephone number for the bogus bank the check is drawn on to verify it – guess what, they’re calling the buyers girlfriends cell phone!



Another way that sellers are getting scammed is like this. A would be buyer shows up at your house in a nice car. He looks yours over and asks if you’d let him take it for a test drive. You feel comfortable because his car is in your driveway so you throw him the keys. He takes off never to be seen again, you call the police who come round and inform you that the car that is in your driveway was stolen also. The final one we know of is the email or phone call that comes from an overseas buyer, they say that they will send you an international money order for the amount of the car and that their brother will come to pick up the car. When the check arrives, it’s for too much money perhaps $10,000 too much. You naturally inform them and they say that you should cash the check and give the balance to their brother when he comes to get the car. Next morning the brother shows up, you’ve deposited the check, so you give the car away and the $10,000 over payment. The buyer drives away and of course a day or two late the money order bounces.


These scams are happening more on high-end cars, but don’t think it couldn’t happen to you



We also heard of an English gentleman that purchased two rare old Bentleys for several hundred thousand dollars. He had the cars checked out before he bought them, but he opted to make his own long distance shipping arrangements. Well when the cars showed up in England the two Bentleys Were NOT the two cars the Englishman had bought. The seller had switched id tags. So the cars had the right numbers of the cars the brit had bought, but these were the cars.

 

That's why you tell him that the cheque must clear before you will give him anything. or tell him you don't want a personal cheque and you'll drive him to the bank right now if he's serious. He'll start making excuses like, "I don't have time" or " I think my bank is closed already" phrases like this should turn on an alarm in your head. Don't take personal cheques unless he is willing to wait about a week to get the car. by this time the cheque should have cleared. But noone will ever give you a cheque and walk away and trust that the car will be there in a week. Not without some kind of noterized document anyway. If he needs the car fast and he needs it that bad, He will either A: let you take him to the bank or some place where he can get cash. or B: he'll be back tomorrow for it.

If he says he'll be back, just tell him that you've had other offers already and if the car is gone then he is out of luck. otherwise offer to take a 10% deposit and agree that you will hold the car for a week or 2. be sure he understands that if he does not pick up the car in the agreed time period and give you the rest of the payment, his down payment will be kept. and the car will be back up for sale.

Also if you ever suspect someone may be giving you counterfeit money, I can help you to identify counterfeit over real money. If you're curious email me at:
91rs4life@comcast.net

 

FYI - I just received this e-mail from the website where I placed my ad:

Dear Joe,

AutoII.com and Carposts.com are dedicated to providing you with best quality free and secure service.
This is why we are sending this short security alert.

We were recently made aware that some of our customers received an offer for their vehicle from unidentified individuals presenting themselves as living in Europe.

Please beware of people who do not pay for your vehicle in a straight forward manner. You should not reimburse the buyer in any way during your transactions.
There is no reason why a European customer would be buying an older used car in the US.

At this time our legal team is investigating two such individuals with addresses at yahoo.com.

Please review the federal guidelines on cyber crime at the address below and report anyone who approaches you based on your discretion.
We cannot prosecute people for simply contacting you as you provided an address to be contacted.
On the other hand, any solicitation to forward money abroad would be a serious crime.

http://www.cybercrime.gov/reporting.htm

We host a large amount of classifieds and most of our customers are very successful dealing with new-found buyers.
Thank you again for your patronage.


Sincerely,

AutoII.com

 

good I hope they get the ****ers

 

I have another guy emailing me now from the UK, wanting to do the same kind of transaction the last scammer tried. I wish I had a way to just advertise in the states.

 

try to grab some info on him. ask him where the car would be going and how he intends to pay. then tell him the car goes nowhere until the cheque clears...watch what he says. He'll back out as soon as you feed him that last line there so try to get some info on him. Ask him his name, address, where the car is going, when is he going to pick it up, when and where does he intend to meet you or how does he intend to pay you. GET NOSEY!! Trust me. get as much info off of him as you can and then tell him the car goes nowhere till the cheque clears and you have cash in your hand. then notify the proper authorities. give them all of that info. see if you can maybe get an IP address. not sure how to do that myself or I'd tell you but, I know it would help locate the pc he is operating from.

 

 

Now I also have a guy that says he's from Asia, vacationing in Nigeria and wants to buy my car. Doesn't anybody in the states want this car? lol

 

what are you asking for it? where is it located? do you have pics?

 

why would you want to buy a car half a world away? it would be cheaper to buy it in your own country? not like we don't export.

 

I mean older cars.
Where I live we dont have any nice us cars for selling. There are some, but they are beat up and need a LOT of work and are expensive.
For exampel a thirdgen that cost for you over there about 2 grand, over here that car costs about 5 grand.

 

i got an email from someone,it is followed......

Hello,
my name is rollex cage,i am interested in buying your (1987 camaro )
,so i will like to know the price and also like to see pics,so if you are
willing to sell it to me,i will like you to know that i have business partner
who is owing me and he has agreed to pay me back in form of acertified
cashier check ,so if you
are willing to
sell it to me,mail me back asap if the items is still available
for sale,and
also like to know this information from you.........
YOUR FULL NAME--------------?
YOUR ADDRESS----------------?
YOUR STATE------------------?
YOUR ZIP CODE---------------?
YOUR PHONE NUMBER-----------?
so i will be looking forward to your mail back ASAP.thanks.
best regards
mack

 

people are waaaaay too trusting.

i would imagine that i get several emails about my cars a day, along with the other spam mail that i get.

i just simply say that the cars arent for sale.

 

They will stop at nothing won't they?! tell him you'll ship as soon as the "acertified cheque" clears. Then send me your phone number.... :lala: :lala: :lala:

 

lol

you want my number ??

 

someone said on one of the other boards,"he probably seen the writing on your back glass & thought it was for sale",i said "he says that & ill go through him like s**t through a goose!"

 

.... ummm.... yeah sure....I wanna....come by...and uh....look at the car YEAH THAT'S IT!!!.

(Keep in mind guys, this is probably her boyfriend I'm talking to and I'm about to walk into a A 5 5 whoopin)

 

I don't know how relavant this is to you guys anymore, but A co-workers uncle wanted to bring a 1995 TA into europe (don't remember which country) and he is unable to import anything over 6 years old - this may be country specific, but might be a good rebuttal to these scammers

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by camarogirl18
[B]i got an email from someone,it is followed......

I got the same thing, heres how mine went.
--------
tyler,
Thanks for the mail me back,i want you to understand that i just made a contact by my client about the car and He Agree the condition of the car he has just issued you a certified cashier check of $7,500 which you will be expecting while you deduct your $2,500 and you will wire back the balance of $5,000 to my personal assistants.So you will be expecting a cashier check of $7,500 while you will wire the balance of $5,000 to my personal assistants via western union as soon as you receive the check which my personal assistants will be using for settling the shippers company .After the balance has been wired to him i will then instruct the shippers company to come to your destination to pick up the car. So let me have your full contact information to where the check will be sent to like this.
name............
full address..........
city..............
state............
country..............
zipcode............
cell telephone number......
Looking forward to your respond and don't forget the photes of the car cos my client will like to see what is paying for and personal assistants will be contacting you to make Arrange the pickup with you Asap i have the information where you want my client to issue the check to.
Best Regards

 

they always seem to have clients. They are just trying to rip you off.

 

intresting.

i had a friend from the netherlands come over and stay here for 2 weeks..

we were looking for a 2ndgen.... apparently, once a car there reaches a specific age, alot of the requirements he has to meet are dropped... putting it back into his price range that he can live with..

in anycase, its hard to find good older american performance cars HERE that havent been trashed.... its even harder over there....

 

He said he is from scottland. Heres what he said after i asked him a few question, but he failed to tell me the reason for this type of transaction.
-----
Hello,
> Thanks for the mail,am okay with the condition of the car and i want you to understand my client that will issue the payment his in the USA and i want you to understand that he we issue a check of$7,500 and you are going to deduct the cost of your car and send the the remain balance to my shipper VIA WESTERN UNION MONEY TRANSFER,as soon as you send the money to them they will come to your location for the pickup,i locate in scottland,i hope you understand me now,i want you to give me your full contact information so that i can forward to my client for payment,Looking forward to read from you soon.
> Thanks..........
---
I think im going to mess around with the *****.

 

tell him you don't deal with middle-men. If his client wants the car his client can deal with you.
Or better yet give him the address to the CIA or FBI.

 

Got a guy from the UK wanting my rusted out firebird. Probably the same guy from before.

 

:yourock:

 

i posted my 84 coupe for sale about 5 days ago in the classified section of the forum. yesterday i recieved an email from a lady in the UK saying that she liked the car and wanted it. she offered $1500 for it. i was looking for under $1000 for it. so to make a long story short we had a plesent email corespondance. until i got the following email.

THANKS FOR THE UNDERSTANDING YOU HAVE RENDERED IN THIS
TRANSACTION, I SPOKE TO MY CLIENT REGARDING THE MONEY
OREDER AND HE SAID HE WILL ISSUE OUT THE MONEY OREDER
OF ($4000) OUT TO YOUR LOCATION,HE ALSO STATED TRUST
BUT I TOLD HIM U ARE A TRUSTWORTHY PERSON AND A PERSON
WE CAN RELY ON.HE ALSO STATED IN PHONE CONVERSATION
THE EXCESS FUNDS YOU ARE MEANT TO WIRED WILL BE SENT
TO OUR SHIPPER, SO THAT HE WILL COME FOR PICKUP
AT YOUR LOCATION AS SOON AS POSIBLE.HOPE THIS IS
UNDERSTANDABLE WITH YOU?.
BRENDAN, I WILL LIKE YOU HOLD ON FOR THE MONEY
OREDER,YOU WILL GET IT PROBABLY NEXT WEEK BY THE
SPECIAL GRACE OF *** AND IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE AT
HOME FOR THE DELIVERY OF THE MONEY OREDER I WILL LIKE
YOU TO STATION SOMEONE FOR THE DELIVERY OF THE MONEY
OREDER.AND ALSO I WILL LIKE YOU TO DEDUCT THE
NECCESSARY EXPENSES FROM IT,LIKE THE COST OF CASHING
THE MONEY OREDER,THE COST OF WIRING THE EXCESS FUNDS
TO MY SHIPPER,OK?.YOU WILL GET IT PROBABLY NEXT
WEEKAND AS SOON AS YOU GET IT I WILL LIKE YOU TO
PROCEED TO GET IT CASHED AND ALSO WIRE THE EXCESS
FUNDS THE SAME DAY,OK?IF YOU KNOW YOU CANT DO IT LIKE
THAT KINDLY LET ME KNOW, SO THAT I CAN CALL MY CLIENT
TO HOLD ON TO THE ORDER,OK?. BECAUSE MY SHIPPING AGENT
WILL BE EXPECTING PAYMENT ON THURSDAY THE SAME DAY YOU
WILL RECIEVE THE MONEY OREDER,AND I DONT WANT ANY IS
UNDERATNDING,OK?. SO LET ME KNOW IF THIS TRANSACTION
CAN PROCEED FURTHER LIKETHIS, COZ IF THE SHIPPING
COMPANY CAN NOT GET THE FUNDS NEXT WEEK I WILL HAVE TO
PAY FOR DELAYMENT ON SHIPPING FUNDS. EMAIL ME AS SOON
AS POSSIBLE,TO KNOW
YOUR OWN SIDE OF IT,OK?.THANK YOU AND HAVE A NICE DAY.

REGARDS,
KATE LOUIS
560 BOLIVER AVENUE,
SOUTHGATE,SOUTHAMPTON,
SO14 3HY
+447031848269


i checked it out the address and telephone number exist but im still skeptical.

while entering this i got another email this time from someone in the netherlands offering to buy on behalf of a client.......again,

Dear Sir/ Madam,
I am Tobias Scheiffer, a local Total Auto Center & Used Cars LLC agent, Located
at 128, NL-1351 Almere AL Netherlands .We specialize in purchase of Autos and
electrical electronics for customers here in Netherlands, and we get paid in
commission, after payment has been confirmed by the seller to the buyer. I write
you on behalf of our client to contact you and arrange for the buying and
shipment of your vehicle, which our client saw on the Internet.

My customer interested in purchasing your vehicle mentioned above, we will
arrange for the pick up of the vehicle once payment is confirmed cleared by you.
Please acknowledge the offer and we will inform the buyer of your confirmation
of acceptance to sell and have the funds remitted to you as soon as possible.


Please we would want to know if it's still available? And if it's still, send
me the following details:
(i) The final/bottom price.
(ii)The condition and mileage of the said vehicle.
{iii}The pics via email.

The above questions are part of our company policy when purchasing automobile,
So don't find it embarrassing. Hope to hear from you soon. Thank you and have a
nice day.
Tobias



no contact info.

i am going along with it. i will see how it goes but i am not transfering anything until payments have cleared. i have contacted the FBI and Secret Service. they said that this is a common thing in Nigeria but rarely does it start in the Netherlands or the United Kingdom. they are looking into it. the thing that sent up a red flag was that the guy from the netherlands used a free email that is based in spain. now why would a business in the netherlands not use an email based in the area? i am sure glad i turned on the IP logging feature in hotmail. its the only thing i have going for me.

I will keep you posted

 

do it smart, cash only

 

so what about delaware? I live in delaware what bank.

 

I guess they keep doing it because it works with some folk. People like to think they can turn a tidy profit from the transaction, and don't think about one crucial point: If it's too good to be true, it probably isn't.

If people had more common sense then they did money, they wouldn't fall prey to these things. Go mess with their head for a bit, and let them stew on it. Oh, and how about forwarding these e-mails to the FBI or something...?

 

THE SAME THING HAPPEND TO ME!

My brother was selling his 92 Camaro about a year ago and posted an ad on these forms. We got a kind of strange email offering to pay more and they were going to give us with a weird type of money order. We told them we would only accept certified money orders for a well known bank and would not ship the car until the check fully cleared. After that they never emailed us back.