It was mentioned in a previous thread that there should be a minimum number of post required to get involved in any transaction with other members of this forum.

This would mean ALL regular members with less than X number of post could not respond to threads or create post inside of our "Classifieds Section". They would also not be able to leave feedback in the iTrader system.

I was curious if this was a widely accepted feeling among forum members.

 

At fullsizechevy.com, you must have atleast 50 post to sell in the classifieds section. I agree with 82 Iron Duke, and we should have minimum post of 50 in order to sell. On the other hand, this rule should not apply to "wanted board"
Thank you, Ivan

 

In addtion, make a rule where the new members have to be a member for X amount of months before they can sell. "X" could be 1-3 months.

Or maybe go "either 50 posts or X amount of months", whichever comes first.

 

I agree with the certin amount of time needed to become a member to sell things, and the post count. Though you should still be able to see what is for sale if you dont meet these requirements, because there are some people that do more learking (sp?) then posting like myself.

 

We have a 50 post minimum requirement on my board, and it was accepted well overall.

- Justin

 

So I'm getting the idea that 50 post is a better number to use than 30 post??? And having this system in place is a definate benefit for ThirdGen.org?

 

50 sounds good. Benefit???? it could reduce the amount of scam

 

50 posts is quite a bit for someone who is just parting out a car and doesn't really need to post in other forums on the site. For me, its no problem, I think I have posted 50 in a day before on TGO. Think if you all were parting out corvettes, 4th gen f-bodies, or monte carlos and trying to sell them on those car forums.

I sell stuff on LS1tech.com and there is no way I could get 50 posts on there in a year or maybe 2 years, I just don't know LS1's but I do know LT1's and thirdgens but I go to other sites for that stuff so I dont post in there LT1 and thirdgen-ish sections. I think i've been there a year and only got 20 posts. But since I was a member there for at least 6 months, I was allowed to post on their classifieds.

 

What about contacting the administrators if they have less than 50. That way everyone that's already here can sell and people that are just signing up can be watched.

 

The problem with the post count, IMO, is that it may increase the amount of post whoring which is a major pet peeve with me. I'd probably more like to see a delay by month(s) rather than a post count.

 

I believe that some restrictions about listing parts for sale is an excellent idea.

I do not believe there should be a minimum post requirement to post a wanted ad, or to reply to an ad in the for sale sections.

 

Well, if anyone can leave feedback and not just those involved in the transaction, then there is the possibility of giving a negative for post whoring for the sake of selling. Not the best solution, but if none other presents itself, its something.

 

You can't exactly just leave feedback freewill. Also, all negative reviews are sent to all moderators. If we see something that doesn't look right, I'm sure we'll review and, if necessary, take some sort of action.

 

50 is too much as stated for the reasons above. I feel the same way, someone coming on the net or from cz28.com or ls1tech parting out a 4th gen that has plenty of useful parts to us 3rd genners cant because they need 50 post? Thats a lose/lose situation for both IMO. 15 post if your gonna set a limit IMO.

Ya it may stop some scammers and BSers and so on but is that really so much of a problem right now anyway? I dont think so...

I like seeing a refreshed list of parts for sale everyday which i have a feeling would go down tremendously if we put some type of post limit required...

 

I would suggest a 30 day probation period. Make it too long and you may lose some good future input.

A 10 post minimum before clearance is granted to allow posting in the classified for sale sections.

Or, if the new member is verified by a current TGO member (such as an invited friend) meeting the above criteria.

 

WOW, I didn't realize I was quoted here!!! I have my to add. I think people who make online purchases are uneasy to begin with, I know I am. I find it more comfortable for a person to be able to feel at ease buying from a person with some type of history. I think if a person is willing to invest some time and effort in our community then they deserve the right to sell. I feel apprehensive about people being able to sell parts on their first post because they might be trying to take advantage of anybody (believe me I see it happen everyday.) If it was up to me, I would make the classifieds more restricted to sellers. I know allot of people here who make a ridiculous amount of posts selling the same item over and over and they never contribute to the board. I take this as spam and if they want to spam so much, why not make them pay to advertise? There are people who are fortunate enough to part a few cars, browse the local JY and sell a few items, but they contribute faithfully. This is my take on the classifieds, some will agree, some wont, but these are my personal feelings.
Lawrence

 

One thing I'd like to add or specify: If you want to put some kind of condition on parts and stuff like that fine, even though I don't really support that either, but I would like to see the cars for sale have no conditions other than having to be a thirdgen. I've purchased all three of my thirdgens in my sig off of TGO classifieds with two of them being from people who rarely posted. Enacting some of the rules stated above on the cars for sale board may well have meant I would not own 2 of the 3 I currently have.

Again, I'd like to see no change from current policy. But, if change is afoot then please leave the cars for sale board out of that new policy change. My again, lol.

 

I think 50 is too high, not a problem for me but i feel that if i had been into thirdgens for a while and wanted to contribute to the boards as well as sell my parts and buy new ones 50 would be too long of a wait. 15 sounds reasonable... I think with 50 you would see many posts with "thats a good question" or "hmmm" or something along those useless lines...


Also another suggestion for the classifieds, for the cars for sale section can there be a spot to put location such as state instead of the seller putting it in the title... maybe just at the end of posting it it asks for city and state, that way searching is easy... i know i dont feel like reading through ads only to find out it is 1000 miles away and i cannot reasonably get it home...

Also where should the suspension parts for sale go? i dont think they should go under body or interior or even drivetrain...

 

I fully agree with 92 Formula

 

I see we went with the 30 post minimum to do ANYTHING in the classifieds section.

For selling, I understand this since a seller can burn a buyer.

But how can a buyer burn a seller? If someone with zero posts wants to reply to a for sale ad and send the seller money for parts, where is the problem? Where is the potential for fraud?

Does not seem to be logical, as I assume the post minimum is to protect board members from fraud.

As someone parting out a car, I now envision my potential buying audience shrinking, and that isn't so good.

 

I can see the logic with selling, but not wanting! I have noticed that there are people who have been members here since 2005 and they are being ostracized and I feel this is very unjust. We need to rethink the strategy of this to make it work for everyone.

 

Your comments reflect my view and was something that I raised with the rest of the staff earlier. The buyer is at a greater disadvantage since he/she sends funds and then waits for the parts. While bad funds could be sent, the buyer still holds more cards.

I think the system will need some tweaks (such as the issue raised above), but we'll probably have to see how others view it.

 

If you put a limit on post numbers, the dishonest people will become post ******.

If you put a limit on time, that will help weed out the impatient dishonest people.

If you use both, it further thins the dishonest people.

If the administration requried all sellers to provide personal contact information, that was verified, that would help even further. Then, if needed, the administration could release that information to the proper authorities.

Some of this depends upon how much more work the administration wants to undertake to protect it's members, but in the end it's a transaction between adults. If either of them does not feel good about the transaction don't do it. If people used the search function more often there would be less problems.

 

I would be very much against having to provide my personal information to an overseer.

 

1 week, 10-15post minimum, which ever comes first, but it should be alteast a 2 day delay from creation of the account, that would elimnate alot of scamers, and wont be too much of a probelm to the newcomers. I agree that this should only be on the forsell section for listing, and replying. The wanted should be left the same with no limits.
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Maybe instead of having ALL sellers verified, just have those willing to, and then have something in thier profile below their screen name that list that they are verified, and that the information they provided is correct, and they "should" be a trustworthy trader.

 

I say 50 Posts required.

If you want to stop the whoring, the moderators better be on the watch, and any post whoring needs to be deleted, and that user banned.

If you need to, aquire more mods.

 

Yup

 

I totally agree IRON DUKE. I've been a member for almost 2 1/2 years and have only 14 posts. I only get on here looking for parts for my car when needed and ask questions relating to that. Some of us have better things to do than reply to posts all the time-as indicated by some peoples post counts. Some people think TG.O is nothing more than a chat site. I for one would be for people being verified to be a member of this site. If you are an honest person you should't have any worries. Just my

 

What do you mean by "verified"? You mean like you get verified with PayPal, by giving out your personal info to an overseer?

No, thank you. In this day and age, too many people already have access to that. I'm as honest as the day is long, but I still don't want to have to give out my personal info to people uness absolutely necessary.

BTW, posting a lot doesn't have to be bad. I for one, just enjoy talking about these cars that we all share a love for.

 

I have bought and sold items using this board previously but apparently I don't have enough posts to do anything now. The number of posts a person makes has nothing to do with their integrity or honesty. A minimum number of posts just for the sake of posting is stupid so I'm out of here!

 

I can assure you we're reviewing the matter. It could be tweaked to more reasonable criteria, or eliminated.

 

Possibly 50 (or 30) posts AND/OR 6 months (or 3 months) would be acceptable. That way seasoned sellers can still post.

 

I can see this getting out of hand.. 82 Iron Duke were you refering to people that have a lil business going as opposed to someone who just wants to maybe part out a car or trade some parts? ? ?
I think that the people who have little businesses can be viewed and talked to by moderators rather then trying to get them to post on the tech boards... no matter if they are posting on the boards and still having a business has nothing to do with one another because either way they are still not paying to get the business advertised.

I think the issue here is more stop the business spammers rather then question the integrity of current members.

 

By side business, do you mean someone who parts out cars all the time?

If someone is always listing parts for sale from cars being parted, that shouldn't be seen as advertising a business. Now, if the posts are always referring to how "Crazy Dave's Prices Can't Be Beat" and it is being treated like an online store, then that's a different matter.

I don't think business spammers are the target here, nor should they be at the moment. I am thinking that the original concern, and it is a valid one, is that it is easy for someone to pop up out of the blue advertising some expensive item for sale, a member sends them money for that item, and then the mystery seller disappears into the internet mists, never to be seen again. That's the only type of issue I'd be worried about.

 

Then to be honest, i dont think that any of these options will work... Even with ebay, the people who are stealing the peoples money are the ones that get a few cheap items for sale with good feedback and then sell something and keep the money... Scammers will be scammers... increasing the posts will not stop them, nor will them having to wait a few months, if they can find a way to get around it they will... I honeslty believe that MOST people will not try to take your money and will send you the right part.

 

I have been a member here for over a year. I just look through the postings and see what is out there in case I find something of interest. I don't respond to anything unless it is at all possible I would want the vehicle for sale and if I could get to it to see it before purchase. That pretty much has limited the number of posts I have. Now I can't even contact someone for info? Doesn't seem right. How is a person ever to buy something from someone here?

 

I don't think they disabled the ability to PM members.

 

I can see this being a double edged sword. For years, we tell the new people to use the search function, because all topics have probably been touched. With that, they find the answer to their question without having to post. The 50 post thing might be unreasonable. As was mentioned, fullsizechevy.com requires 50 and I had some truck related stuff to move. I had to wait before I could sell. Having an 06 truck, there wasn't much for me to contribute and even fewer questions to ask.

My opinion is to just monitor the sellers to keep them 3rd gen related.

 

PM function hasn't changed. The point could have been that not every member allows other users to send them a PM or email through the forum. Though I'd imagine that if you're a seller, you'd more likely allow it.

 

I am new to this board having recently purchase a 92 B4C. It appears as though I now have been blocked from posting in the classified section. I was not trying to sell anything I was trying to post a question to someone that was selling something. Is the only way I can correspond is through private messages? Since I am spending most of my time in the classified section how am I supposed to get to 50 posts or whatever the designated number is?

What are my options?

Thanks

 

Hi!

I am in a similar situation to SSP_B4C, except I don't even own a 3rd gen. (I used to, honest I did!)

I am a moderator on another automotive board, and a member of several (dozen) in good/excellent standing.

My major dilemma here is that I have already bought parts from 2 of your other members, without incident (so far, parts are en route) and not being able to reply publically to ask a question about a part that even if I end up not wanting it because of the response, another member may find useful and in turn not waste a bunch of time sending resending the same info etc. (I hope that makes sense)

Now I can't make a post in for sale.

Unfortuneatly for me, I don't see how I am going to get to a decent post count without post whoring, or just posting useless crap, as I don't have a LOT to add to the community at this point, except my willingness to part with some $$$ to support your other members.

I have made posts in the communtiy here, however, they are limited, as I like to keep content on topic, clean, and to the point.

Can someone help me out here? I would love to support the communtiy here by picking up some much needed parts for my 2nd gen F-Body (and yes, I am a member on 2nd gen boards as well) and getting your members the money, and free space in their garages... However it is difficult to do this if I have to resort to PM's for everything.

Thanks!

-Ironman

 

There is now a 30 day, 30 post requirement. There were some well established members of our board who do not feel they should be obligated to create junk post to reach a minimum 30 post. After having to respond to 30+ emails about this issue and talking with JT this is the best current solution.

Use this along with the iTrader Rating system and we should be able to spot the Scammers and Spammers.

 

Im sorry, can we just clarify if this is a 30 day and 30 post minimum or is it one or the other??? Thanks.

 

It is one or the other.

If you have been registered for 30 days or more, you can post in the Classifieds.

If you have 30 or more posts, you can post in the Classifieds.

 

Thank you so much.

A probationary timeframe is a wise choice!

-Ironman

 

I just read the update to the change in policy and agree with IRONMAN that 30 days is a fair option..


By the way I have run across any links to the ITrade info. I am the process of buying a rear wing from the opsmanager and would like some information on I Trade.

Thanks,

 

The iTrader is a new feature that TGO added to the forums. It functions much like eBay's feedback system.

By clicking on the number value located in the parenthesis of the member, you can view their feedback score and any comments.

Because the system is still new to TGO, the person you reference has not been rated by any TGO member.

 

I'm new at this and I don't get why you want the restrictions.

What is wrong with selling parts our members want?

 

Well, the 30 day/30 post restriction is to help encourage members to contribute on the forums, as well as protect the members.

A person that signs up, with no history, and immediately starts selling items is a risk to buyers. Members are more likely to buy from another member who has some sort of history, rather than from someone who is new with no history or contribution to the forums.

 

I more than understand restricting people who want to sell things, but to restrict those who want to buy is cutting those who want to sell off at the knees... Well maybe not that drastic but I joined because of the fact i was looking to buy, and tired of people on ebay not knowing what they were talking about.. now I am stuck here in limbo till i post 30 times.. I honestly rarely post on forums, dont know why, its just the way i am..