I believe you should make different selection in moderators. I just read a post in the TPI forum in which was closed after ED Maher the moderator shot his fat mouth off and then closed it before anybody could respond. That kind of action is not only disrespectful to other members but just brings the respect for this whole board down. I have seen certain moderators shoot their mouth of too much and then shoot other people down when they do the same. these special priveledges for these mouth pieces need to stop or there are going to be a lot less people coming to thirdgen.org.

And that would be a terrible thing to lose, cause after all, its the abundance of members that made this board what it is.

 

You know what? I've been reading posts here for a long time, and I can't count how many posts I've seen Drew shoot down, be extremely rude to, not help, or just lock for no reason. I just recently registered, but have yet to post. As far as I'm concerned, he's completely useless, and has NO business being a moderator. All he's doing around here is demonstrating what a power kick a person can be on.... Course, THIS will get discarded now, but oh well, I tried.

 

If you want to see the result of a moderatorless board, go check out cz28


Granted you can cuss, act like idiots, and get into open flame wars, but rarely ever would you get a question answered, let alone backed up with years of experience, and the massive amount of facts and knowledge as you get here. Sometimes you gotta take a little bad to get to a whole lot of good.

 

That I can understand, and even appreciate, but the common disrespect, and disregard for people shown by him is unreal. I haven't seen one thread, even AFTER being "spoken to" that he hasn't had at least something negative to say. If you dont want to DEAL with the public in a forum like this, dont sign on to be a moderator. It's OBVIOUSLY something he's not qualified for.

 

Some are worse than others

I surely wont lie, I dont like a few of them, but others are a wealth of knowledge respect, and flat out kind human nature

Dont classify them all, just the ones that deserve it.

 

Oh, your right there, 100%. I haven't seen any of the others treating members this way.... There are over 4,000 members on another board I frequent, and you NEVER see an admin abusing his power like this.

 

I think the "abuse" has kinda come from the mentality here. there is a reputation of factual and responsible posting. Anything outside gets quickly locked maybe not because its offensive or out of line, but because Its not the 'norm'. Also you must realize that I'm sure to a point friend ship holds precedent over a "silly board" we all gotta remember that this is only the internet, and on top of it a few of the moderators are pretty close with dirk. They have also contributed (in some cases) more than a handfull of complaints will out weigh. Some are just flat out cocky, and others personality is downright misinturpreted, I know mine is

 

Well , one thing I can say from what I've seen from your posts, at least you allow people to ask questions, ANSWER them if you can, dont tell people "Blow me" when they say something you dont like, and dont lock out posts that aren't something YOU dont care to see!!

 

Well for the most part the moderators are limited in power to their own boards. Some can ban users which obviously effect them no matter what board, but thats only when well warranted. I, just like you, even being a moderator hardly feel welcome in a few of the boards here, and thats directly related to the people moderating them. Fortunatly enough I've never experienced first hand some of the moderators tyranny either because I haven't needed to post in the "bad ones" boards, or just haven't had the time to try to help out the posters there (or lack of knowledge in the area) I frequent the TPI and Tech/general boards, both are very well covered by knowledgable moderators as well as posters. I keep my posts usually to questions or answers, rarely straying away from that, but its always nice to know that its people out there and not just tech posting machines

there are alot of good guys with great humor, and a few tough ones to get along with it. However this site is a tremendous resource to our hobby and the knowledge is applicable to many other area's of the motorsports industry The key is to avoid confruntation, and the ones that you can't avoid, just post around them or hit another forum.

I gotta throw in that all moderators no matter how strict or leaniant are all doing somewhat of a job in keeping the boards clean, and in the end thirdgen.org is deffinatly a clean knowledgable place that I'd come back to even if they all were as tyrantical as "Moderator X"

 

Well, one thing I will say isn't fair. Say I say something Drew doens't like, which could be one of ANY things, he locks the post, and boots me off...... Then I can't get into ANY of the forums, not just the boot camp he runs..... That's fair? Hardly.

 

In my own opinion and application banning a user on the boards is only due when they're purpousfully being a problem, or are trying to continue with a subject/topic that a moderator had locked/deleted. When the only way to get someone to stop being a problem is to ban them, is when its justified. However if you prove a moderator wrong and he doesn't like it, or yadda yadda yadd....


Bottom line being nobody likes tyrants
and moderators shouldn't ban because they have small mans syndrom

 

EXACTLY! now, why don't you pass your attitude around here(History forum, cough cough), and maybe that can be a decent place to be.... Know how I found out about this place? A post on a GM board called "Check this clown out", with links to about 10 of his 'moderation' posts, using that term lightly.........

 

Hahaha
Since i have no controll over it i can only laugh

He shows up in the chat to say "hi" occasionaly

 

Yeah I've come across a few posts on other sites refering to Drew and his actions. 3rdgen.org in one of them who bash Drew constantly.

As for the moderator thing, there are two moderators who I am not going to name who I dont think should be in their position. In my opinion they act like biased, 2 year old donkeys

 

Why don't you ****ing cry? The moderator told it like it is. If there weren't so many moronic thirdgen owners, there wouldn't be as much sarcastic responses.

 

Well, think about this one.....Maybe they aren't BASHING Drew, as much as they are just talking the truth? All they would have to do would be repeat almost ANYTHING the guy says, and it'd come across as a bash..Why? Cause that's what he does, bash members..

 

The selection process... well thats up to Dirk. I dont even know what it is to tell you the truth. When we had the childish non-tech problem a while back the boards were shut down for a while, and then he picked people he knew well to moderate the boards to keep things in check. IMO it worked pretty well. After a while, more people were added as moderators on different boards. I think for the most part they do a pretty good job.

About Ed... if you have a problem, tell him. Send him an email. I know theres at least one email for him that you can find easily. Theres probably people who dont like me, if they dont, well my email is right there. Ed may not even know this is here or you have a problem. Dont know what youve tried. Only reason I found this is the stupid post by someone just above thats about to get canned for posting garbage across the boards. Drew... well... no comment?

About the whole opinion deal, we are all human. I'm not locking my mouth just because it says moderator under my name. If I'm out of line, then someone should or will tell me so. Ed's the same way, he expresses himself. He told me he's trying to keep his .02 to himself before locking a post, looks like he missed that one? I dont even know what post you are referring to. If he flames you, well... send it back his way just dont go off the deep end. You take too much of a personal attack and it will get noticed, but dont just sit there and assume you cant do anything and your hands are tied. About the only person I can think of offhand that wont fly with is Drew, he has lock in hand and is ready to use it.

 

Here's how I see it, you can agree with me or not I don't care... When you start being a problem I'm going to fix that problem. In my opinion, if I lock your post or delete your post I have my reasons. If you want to know my reasons you can email me or send me a private message and I'll tell you why. If you argue with me or post another thread to dispute it, then you better make a convincing argument and you better keep the discussion on a nonpersonal level. When you start making personal comments I'm not going to sit here and listen to you spew garbage, I'm simply going to ban you.

I strongly believe that if you're on this board because you followed a link from another board where someone was bitching, and you feel you need to register and get in the argument, that you're contributing to the problem. If your only contribution to thirdgen.org is causing trouble, then you're a troll and I'm going to ban you.

People don't seem to understand, or they just don't care that I'm a moderator and have been for a long time because I do the job. I have a very simple manner of looking at posts and determining if they're good or bad and I deal with them. If you don't like the way I deal with them, email me, send me a private message, or talk to Dirk about it. I run my board, and I restrict my actions as I expect Dirk would want me to, if he disagrees with me he can reverse any decisions I've made, and I have no problem with it. Its his site.


Many people on thirdgen.org have had disagreements with me, few have been banned as a result. Its all in how you choose to address me.

 

I am in COMPLETE agreement with Drew. On the DIY Prom Board, we CONSTANTLY get posts from people "begging" for eproms or asking for a "referral". We don't even bother locking those posts anymore, they are deleted WITHOUT WARNING OR EXPLANATION.

The reason is simple, there are scum suckers out there that are looking for fools wanting a cheap eprom. The only thing that ends up getting burned is their wallet 99% of the time. Do a search on the "Aftermarket Vendor" Board and you'll see a bunch of posts regarding Synergy/NRG/Blade/crucial aka Edmond Indre who's been burning people for awhile now. Plus a host of others.

The DIY Prom Board is to LEARN HOW TO BURN AN EPROM and HOW TO TUNE YOUR MOTOR VIA THE EPROM. Yet, people will try a "host of tricks" to basically get a "custom eprom cheap". The point is, anyone who REALLY knows his eproms will tell you that it is highly unlikely to get a good eprom just based on "specs". Every engine is different. I have proven this time and time again on stock engines. The key to max power is getting the optimal spark advance curve and fuel curve. And the difference is pronounced. Just a couple of degrees can make a difference of 10-25 HP. Enough that you can actually feel.

Various Boards have their own "unique issues", on the DIY Prom Board it's "prom begging". With the "History Board", it seems when people can't find a place to "post something", they post there (sort of like the suppository for Thirdgen.Org).

Members get "choked" when a post gets deleted or locked with little or no explanation. But I would say, it should be pretty obvious WHY the post was deleted and most people know why. Most of us 'regulars' can often see a "post" that the tone is making head for a "lock down". Trying to offer an explanation often just leads to an arguement just a Drew said.

I say, if the poster is clearly violating a rule - lock it/delete it and don't even bother explaining.

And, as for the open remark about the "members being the board", I would say it is the "regular repliers" that make the Board. We get TONS of new members everyday. Some just want an answer to their question and then disappear never to be seen again. Finding people to ask questions is easy. Finding people to give the correct answer is much tougher - and these tend to be moderators btw.

 

Having been on both sides of the coin I can only say I half agree, I feel that if a person posts, they post with the intentions of on at least some small scale participating with the 'thirdgen society' granted some people lack social skills, respect, and tact but it all needs to be taken with a grain of salt. It is after all just the internet and getting bent out of shape over some bianary is flat out rediculous. There's plenty of information here, and occasionally someone who's flat out out of line and needs to be removed, or people who dont follow the simplist of rules, but on the other hand there are moderators (which at their own discression) are flat out tyrants. Especially when the moderator is fueling the flames, then pulls the post when HE feels its over.

 

Funny how its bolded underneath the link.

 

Yeah, it's even funnier how a lot of people don't read (or choose to ignore it) and then get angry at me when I delete their post. They don't realize that I am actually "protecting" themselves from the various "vultures" that prey on people looking for a "cheap custom eprom". And then, when they "whine" on the "Aftermarket Board" how someone "ripped them off", they get all angry at me because I say "Didn't I warn you about cheap eproms?".

 

glenn

I've always wondered, why do you use so many: " "

in your posts?

 

"Because".

 

"aww man, you can do better than that"

 

The same reason you put quotes around "abuse", 'norm' and "silly board". Better?

 

thats still less than 50% of my post

 

I use quotes when there's a "for-lack-of-a-better-term" situation. Oh, damn. I used them again.

>We get TONS of new members everyday. Some just want an answer to their question and then disappear never to be seen again.

Yup. I think there's a need to purge the database of inactive users, because 13,000+ could hardly be an accurate reflection of how many people regularly come here. Like Glenn said, they register to post just one question (or a classified, in case you haven't noticed how many 0-1 post users there are on the classifieds board), and are gone, never to return.

 

"Oh fug it" "Glenn" "you started a trend man" w00t

 

My "PERSONAL" opinion is that some people just need regulated on sometimes. Ive seen some of the threads get out of hand and I wont deny that Ive seen Ed get out of hand but damn sometimes these clowns need it.

For instance there is a guy over on the TPI forum at this moment arguing about stroker 334's. Its been a back and forth argument and Im waiting to see this guy get slammed because he is being narrow minded and wont take people's advise for what it is worth. He even asked for advise. Sheesh. Hello, dont ask if your not willing to accept a rash of ****. Want slack? Bring your own.

Thats what I think.

 

Well put, and agreed.

 

I recently had a moderator take a couple jabs at me because he couldn't be open minded enough to understand what I was saying.What he said was not only rude but also offensive,which really got me p***ed off,but I kept my cool and sat back and waited for someone else to come along and back up my statement.


When people post rude and offensive remarks on this site,they don't have to worry about the consequences..

I can guarantee you that comments like that would not be made if we were face to face.....................................

 

Hey, there are always going to be people who don't like me or get offended too easily. That is their problem, not mine. And frankly, it's not the site's problem either IMO. Perfect example would be the 334 thread that guido mentioned earlier. Several of us 'evil moderators' tried to help that guy understand some basic ideas. Instead he just acted like we were repressing and flaming him. Whatever, i HOPE i turned him off from this site cuz i don't need the hassle of trying to help people only to be treated like an ******* in return and have a 'flame-fest' on my board.

I very rarely actually outright flame people though. Usually the people i find who don't like me are the people who showed up to a gunfight w/ a knife if you catch my drift. They start arguments / debates that they have no ground to stand on, and when i pull the rug out from under them i get labeled an *******. C'est la vie.

Of course, even though i've seen plenty of people bring a gripe up w/ me on the boards, i have only actually had maybe 2 people bother to take a qualm w/ me to email in the YEARS that i have been around these boards. At the same time, i've received more emails than i could count from people glad that i could help them.

As for slamming a thread shut, i only do that when i feel the thread has just gone too far. As a moderator, i am entitled to the last word, and i use that last word to explain my final say on the matter. I can't think of any threads i've slammed shut that were in poor taste, links would be helpful here.

In closing, i try to be a nice guy. Really i do. Thing is, i have a very direct manner. I.E. If i catch something wrong in your logic, i will poit it out to you, and if you have thin skin you will probably take it as a personal insult. Nothing i post here is meant as a personal insult though unless it's explicitly stated as such (i.e i will use call you a moron instead of 'imply' it)

 

you're a moron!!!

anybody know what movie that's from?

 

i personally have had no problems with the moderators, and i post almost everyday.
i was also wondering how it is you get to be a moderator of a board?

 

I'm down for a purge of inactive users. The names are just wasting space in the db.

 

To Mr. Maher,

I was the one who posted about the 334! It is very uncooth for you guys to think your helping when giving all of your 350

It is ridiculous. I have been around these boards for a long time. I've seen your posts and I notice only the moderators are sticking up for you, Mr. Maher. See what happened when someone noticed how you guys react? You come back blasting when they post about it. You hope you scared me off? Wow, what a great front man for your website, have a jerk scaring people off, because they havea 305 and not what HE thinks they should have.

No, I am still here and as long as I can anytime you blast a 305 guy I will find as much information pertaining to their post as I can to give to them, because that is what these boards are all about, helping each other. And to the guy who commented because I asked a question... I asked a question pertaining to the 305, not to guys wanting to post their own ideas about 350's. If you notice on that post that I knew flames were coming, because apparently that is all these guys can post about.

I really hope dirk is reading these posts and see the way you treat people. I mean be a human about things and let people do what they want to. I find it really funny you guys blasted me and than locked the post before I could react... I shouldn't have to react, I should be saying thank you for the information, not "thank you for calling me an idiot and putting me down".

To everyone with a 305 build what you like, it's your car, especially if you want to keep your car numbers matching like myself. Just don't even pay attention to the comments of people who want nothing more than to trash you because their self esteem is so low.

James

 

You mean this post? https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=100123

Until this moment, I hadn't even read it. In all honesty, you appear to have had a bit of an attitude right from the second post (your first response) when someone asked about making all that power with a convertible.

Ed gave a variety of alternatives, including his own 305. In fact, from about Ed's second or third post, he even talks about supercharging a 305 (ala Willie) and that an intake is not really important since boost overcomes a lot of inefficiencies (though a nice set of heads is always nice).

The way I read Ed's post is that he doesn't feel that you need to stroke if you are supercharging. The whole idea of a power-adder is to make boost. Spend the money on a "better power-adder", intercooler etc and make even MORE BOOST, rather than stroking an engine.

Then Ed says that IF you REALLY want to spend more money (which Ed doesn't feel is necessary after the Supercharger) then you may want to consider a 350 instead.

Your response was something about "350 Elitest" and frankly a little blunt and "sets a tone".

In all honesty, if you had posted like that on my board, I would have locked the thread after your first response just based on your attitude. Maybe that was Ed's mistake.

And, if I had the power right now, I'd lock this post. You apparently NEED to have the last word AND any suggestions that you don't entirely agree with invokes an argumentative response.

This is totally unbiased and only based on the opening posts - I could see where the thread was going from the second post (but I did read all).

 

If you did read my post you would see the big smiley and the dancing marshmallow man... IE Very happy tone... If we have smileys there apparently needs to be a universal idea of what emotion they are supposed to represent, because you guys twist them to however you like. The original poster was talking about Ed's attitude in my post, so maybe YOU didn't know what it was, but I am replying because Ed did and started back up again. If you can read his posts and actually convince yourself that he was trying to be helpful... Hey man Well, won't even comment. Isn't it funny how the moderators keep sticking up for him, but the people who do MAKE this board arn't? Maybe one or two... I am sorry, but Ed is an elitist. Give me one thread where he wasn't condescending even when he was tryng to be helpful. And Hell man... I didn't have the last word last time... the moderators did and than locked... So please don't even try to say I need the last word. I am responding to your guys comments, nothing more. The immature nature of the moderators really blows me away. I mean seriously immature. What is even better is the fact that I am talking about Ed here, like most of the other non-mod posters and yet the others chime in defending him....... hmmmmmmm...

I am going to go enjoy my car for what it is and know that it is mine and no one elses and I refuse to let anyone tell me what I have to or should do instead of what I want to do. I asked for help on what I want to do, not what YOU think I should do.

If you notice JZA tried to help, he did a great job as a moderator. Ed mahers first line was "back out of this dream". That's nice? That's being cool? Please even camaro6speed saw it as a flame... Read the whole post and you will see that everyone thought it was a complete and total flame.

 

I moderate the Northeastern Regional Board here, along with Xenodrgn.

I look at it this way. If you have a question about how I am moderating the board, just ask me. Send me a private message, email, or contact me on AIM. I'm not going to tear into you or anything like that, that isn't the purpose of the board.

I tend to let some things go as long as they deal with our cars, or meetings/gatherings, etc.

We're all about information, and trying to help each other out. I've been told countless times to build a 350, as opposed to the 305 I am currently building. And so far, the money factor does point to a 350. I haven't gone off the handle and told people to stick it...... unlike some of the people who have passed through these boards.

Just relax, and ask any of us Moderators any questions that you have. We'll do our best to try and help you out.

 

Hey, How do you become a Moderater. I think that would be pretty sweet. Do the other guys like hand pick them or something or do you have to ask?

 

Personally, I think the moderators should be people that frequent the boards everyday to keep an eye on things. I mean look at Drew he has like 20 million posts, obviously he checks the boards daily, unlike some forums where the moderators will disappear for weeks.

 

Oh yeah I've seen that too, and the moderators dont even respond to any posts in the forum. Most of the moderators however do respond to everything they can in their forum which is awesome.

 

I've noticed that, too.

I always check my board, if only for a five minute period at a time.

But I'm usually there or on the boards in general for 2 or 3 hours a day.

 

Some people are just born sh!tbags. That's life.

 

I've got to be honest..I originally found this site when someone at another board posted one of Drews comments.I wasn't impressed but I do have to say not all the moderators act that way.I've been reading through some of the older posts and found 98% of the moderators to be pretty helpfull and friendly.

 

Obviously, it's important for the moderators to do their best to be helpful. Despite the fact that a lot of people think Drew is an ***, I've seen some helpful answers that he has posted.

We have to be dicks sometimes in order to settle the board down. Plus, for a couple of weeks, we got a lot of new traffic from people whose sole goal was to cause trouble. If you come here to start problems, you will be banned. I know Drew has said this before.

I've said this before, if anyone has any questions, just ask the moderator of the board. A lot of the time, the mod will be glad to help you out.

 

You asked so here I am. I read through the entire thread. Although a little harsh with the "back out of this dream" comment the rest of the response was quite informative making some comments that were taken out of context recognizeable as comical in nature. The Moderater in question actually then held his tongue, in my opinion, until being attacked more than once. I didn't get the impression that he was "poo-pooing" the 305 for a 350 at all. It seemed like he was saying for the money you would spend stroking a 305 you can build a very nice 350 and still have the extra cubic inches should you decide to further modify in the future. That seemed to be taken as an offensive comment. I'm not exactly sure why but then again I'm not sure I understand how a 305 driver could be a 350 eliteist either.

Just my .02.

 

I just wanted to "post" beause im a "mod" to and i want my name up in lites, is this possible? :-)
sorry had to

heck i've had more than my fair share of disagreements with mods here and mailing lists elsewhere, what it comes down to , except for the immature and mentally handicapped thirdgen owners, no one is ever right 100% of the time :-( not even me although i try lol

so no one wig out over the little things and the mods as a whole here are quite good an=bout milaing the other mods when there is a continuous problem whether it be posts or someone in specific
so keep your pants on
later
PS I mod the Nw In/south chicago burb board and the chatroom along with roc and we dont always get along but we manage for the site as a whole, nt our individual egos

 

It amazes me that out of ALL the moderators, Ed and Drew have the most difficulty with members....hmmm....I wonder why .
Maybe it's true, they can moderate but why all the complaints about them?!?!?!, lol
Ever heard of thinking before speaking?...maybe some moderators should think how they address somebody before giving a reply!