History / Originality Got a question about 1982-1992 Camaro or Firebird history? Have a question about original parts, options, RPO codes, when something was available, or how to document your car? Those questions, answers, and much more!

NOS GM mufflers......

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 13, 2016 | 01:56 PM
  #51  
chazman's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 9,937
Likes: 636
From: Chicagoland
Car: 1989 IROC-Z. Original owner
Engine: LB9. Dual Cats. Big Cam
Transmission: World Class T-5
Axle/Gears: BW 3.45
Re: NOS GM mufflers......

Originally Posted by GASPEDDLER
I've got mine.


Reply
Old Mar 14, 2016 | 11:45 PM
  #52  
chazman's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 9,937
Likes: 636
From: Chicagoland
Car: 1989 IROC-Z. Original owner
Engine: LB9. Dual Cats. Big Cam
Transmission: World Class T-5
Axle/Gears: BW 3.45
Re: NOS GM mufflers......

Check out these tail pipes. Pretty darned close to factory

Go to the Xlerator website and check out the mandrel bent X3000 and X3001 tail pipes.

http://showmetheparts.com/apexhaust/


#34754 and #34755 are pretty close too.


See what you guys think. About as close to factory as I've seen.
Reply
Old Mar 14, 2016 | 11:57 PM
  #53  
DynoDave43's Avatar
Supreme Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 4,807
Likes: 905
From: MICHIGAN
Car: 1988 Trans Am
Engine: L03
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 10 Bolt 2.73 Open
Re: NOS GM mufflers......

Originally Posted by chazman
Check out these tail pipes. Pretty darned close to factory

Go to the Xlerator website and check out the mandrel bent X3000 and X3001 tail pipes.

http://showmetheparts.com/apexhaust/


#34754 and #34755 are pretty close too.


See what you guys think. About as close to factory as I've seen.
Those DO look good!
Reply
Old Mar 15, 2016 | 07:23 AM
  #54  
1MeanZ's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 2,984
Likes: 37
From: North Central Indiana
Car: 86 IROC
Engine: 383
Transmission: TKO 600
Axle/Gears: 3.54 Dana 44 IRS
Re: NOS GM mufflers......

If it wasn't for the compression bends, those would be dead ringers. Going to buy a pair and put them on the yellow car Charlie?
Reply
Old Mar 15, 2016 | 08:40 AM
  #55  
chazman's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 9,937
Likes: 636
From: Chicagoland
Car: 1989 IROC-Z. Original owner
Engine: LB9. Dual Cats. Big Cam
Transmission: World Class T-5
Axle/Gears: BW 3.45
Re: NOS GM mufflers......

Originally Posted by 1MeanZ
If it wasn't for the compression bends, those would be dead ringers. Going to buy a pair and put them on the yellow car Charlie?

I've got a set of factory tails on the yellow car. But it's good to know for future reference.
Reply
Old Mar 15, 2016 | 09:09 AM
  #56  
chazman's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 9,937
Likes: 636
From: Chicagoland
Car: 1989 IROC-Z. Original owner
Engine: LB9. Dual Cats. Big Cam
Transmission: World Class T-5
Axle/Gears: BW 3.45
Re: NOS GM mufflers......

Pretty darned close. I plan on using them on my next exhaust.



Reply
Old Mar 15, 2016 | 11:58 AM
  #57  
DynoDave43's Avatar
Supreme Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 4,807
Likes: 905
From: MICHIGAN
Car: 1988 Trans Am
Engine: L03
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 10 Bolt 2.73 Open
Re: NOS GM mufflers......

Yes, the mandrel bent pieces would be the ones to get.
Reply
Old Mar 15, 2016 | 01:10 PM
  #58  
chazman's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 9,937
Likes: 636
From: Chicagoland
Car: 1989 IROC-Z. Original owner
Engine: LB9. Dual Cats. Big Cam
Transmission: World Class T-5
Axle/Gears: BW 3.45
Re: NOS GM mufflers......

I'm on a roll boys.....


This pre-bent I- pipe, part # X6501 is 3" in diameter. Why is that significant? All other replacement I-pipes from all the other manufacturers are 2" or 2.25" or 2.5". Not what you'd want to replace your TPI 2.75" factory I-pipe with.




Last edited by chazman; Mar 15, 2016 at 01:30 PM.
Reply
Old Mar 15, 2016 | 02:23 PM
  #59  
1MeanZ's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 2,984
Likes: 37
From: North Central Indiana
Car: 86 IROC
Engine: 383
Transmission: TKO 600
Axle/Gears: 3.54 Dana 44 IRS
Re: NOS GM mufflers......

you've struck gold Charlie. That's as good as it gets right there.
Reply
Old Mar 16, 2016 | 08:46 PM
  #60  
Motown's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 613
Likes: 5
From: Michigan
Car: 1985 IROC-Z
Engine: LB9
Transmission: MD8
Re: NOS GM mufflers......

Originally Posted by chazman
Pretty darned close. I plan on using them on my next exhaust.
The x3000 and x3001 are listed for v6 cars while the 34754 and 34755 are listed for the v8 cars. Why would that be? They look to be the same diameter pipe right?

If they are then the 3000/3001 look spot on and I would be getting them for my TPI V8...

Last edited by Motown; Mar 16, 2016 at 09:18 PM.
Reply
Old Mar 16, 2016 | 09:00 PM
  #61  
TTOP350's Avatar
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 12,214
Likes: 1,140
From: Il
Car: 1989-92 FORMULA350 305 92 Hawkclone
Engine: 4++,350 & 305 CIs
Transmission: 700R4 4800 vig 18th700R4 t56 ZF6 T5
Axle/Gears: 3.70 9"ford alum chunk,dana44,9bolt
Re: NOS GM mufflers......

Do they have the 91-2 tail pipes listed as well? (they are different)
Reply
Old Mar 16, 2016 | 09:13 PM
  #62  
chazman's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 9,937
Likes: 636
From: Chicagoland
Car: 1989 IROC-Z. Original owner
Engine: LB9. Dual Cats. Big Cam
Transmission: World Class T-5
Axle/Gears: BW 3.45
Re: NOS GM mufflers......

Originally Posted by TTOP350
Do they have the 91-2 tail pipes listed as well? (they are different)
Not that I've found.
Reply
Old Mar 17, 2016 | 03:24 PM
  #63  
aaron7's Avatar
TGO Supporter
20 Year Member
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 3,466
Likes: 5
From: MA, USA
Car: 83 bird
Engine: 305/383
Transmission: WC T5
Axle/Gears: 3:42
Re: NOS GM mufflers......

I didn't read all two pages, so this may have been covered, but those mufflers are only correct for the 4th gen and maybe the last year or two of the third gen when they started to use clamps. Before that, all mufflers and tail pipes were single unit assemblies I believe.
Reply
Old Mar 17, 2016 | 03:31 PM
  #64  
chazman's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 9,937
Likes: 636
From: Chicagoland
Car: 1989 IROC-Z. Original owner
Engine: LB9. Dual Cats. Big Cam
Transmission: World Class T-5
Axle/Gears: BW 3.45
Re: NOS GM mufflers......

Originally Posted by aaron7
I didn't read all two pages, so this may have been covered, but those mufflers are only correct for the 4th gen and maybe the last year or two of the third gen when they started to use clamps. Before that, all mufflers and tail pipes were single unit assemblies I believe.

They were a muffler/tail pipe assembly, with the tail pipes welded to the muffler outlets. These are the mufflers, minus the tail pipes.
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2016 | 02:06 PM
  #65  
Motown's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 613
Likes: 5
From: Michigan
Car: 1985 IROC-Z
Engine: LB9
Transmission: MD8
Re: NOS GM mufflers......

Received mine! Now to finally remove the ghetto special that is on there now.
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2016 | 02:51 PM
  #66  
chazman's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 9,937
Likes: 636
From: Chicagoland
Car: 1989 IROC-Z. Original owner
Engine: LB9. Dual Cats. Big Cam
Transmission: World Class T-5
Axle/Gears: BW 3.45
Re: NOS GM mufflers......

Originally Posted by Motown
Received mine! Now to finally remove the ghetto special that is on there now.
Make sure to post pics when you get it all together!
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2016 | 03:05 PM
  #67  
Motown's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 613
Likes: 5
From: Michigan
Car: 1985 IROC-Z
Engine: LB9
Transmission: MD8
Re: NOS GM mufflers......

Will do.

Charlie, any tips to get rid of all of the mouse crap from this? Or just continue to shake it?
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2016 | 03:55 PM
  #68  
chazman's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 9,937
Likes: 636
From: Chicagoland
Car: 1989 IROC-Z. Original owner
Engine: LB9. Dual Cats. Big Cam
Transmission: World Class T-5
Axle/Gears: BW 3.45
Re: NOS GM mufflers......

Originally Posted by Motown
Will do.

Charlie, any tips to get rid of all of the mouse crap from this? Or just continue to shake it?

You mean in the new muffler?
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2016 | 06:51 PM
  #69  
Motown's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 613
Likes: 5
From: Michigan
Car: 1985 IROC-Z
Engine: LB9
Transmission: MD8
Re: NOS GM mufflers......

Yes. I mean it aint really a big deal but I turned it over and heard what I thought was a little bit of sand but then mouse crap started to fall out. Maybe just putting it on the car and driving will blow all the "crap" out...lol
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2016 | 11:41 PM
  #70  
chazman's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 9,937
Likes: 636
From: Chicagoland
Car: 1989 IROC-Z. Original owner
Engine: LB9. Dual Cats. Big Cam
Transmission: World Class T-5
Axle/Gears: BW 3.45
Re: NOS GM mufflers......

Originally Posted by Motown
Yes. I mean it aint really a big deal but I turned it over and heard what I thought was a little bit of sand but then mouse crap started to fall out. Maybe just putting it on the car and driving will blow all the "crap" out...lol

Well, you must be the lucky one with mouse turds.


From experience, you'll smell the odiferous aroma of critter pellets burning off for an hour or two, and that will be that.
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2016 | 01:39 PM
  #71  
DynoDave43's Avatar
Supreme Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 4,807
Likes: 905
From: MICHIGAN
Car: 1988 Trans Am
Engine: L03
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 10 Bolt 2.73 Open
Re: NOS GM mufflers......

Originally Posted by chazman
From experience, you'll smell the odiferous aroma of critter pellets burning off for an hour or two, and that will be that.
Like an afterburner....
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2016 | 10:56 PM
  #72  
ev305tpi's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 732
Likes: 18
From: MA
Car: 92 & 91 Z28 1LEs, 87 IROC-Z, 90 ZR1
Engine: L98, LT5
Transmission: 700R4, 6-speed
Axle/Gears: 3.45, 3.42, 3.73, 3.27
Re: NOS GM mufflers......

The clamps did exist on the '91, here is a pic of mine:

Name:  IMG_2298_zpsqfgervqo.jpg
Views: 562
Size:  117.7 KB

Name:  IMG_2297_zpstcq60ert.jpg
Views: 617
Size:  98.3 KB
Reply
Old Mar 21, 2016 | 02:42 AM
  #73  
Drew's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (58)
 
Joined: Jul 1999
Posts: 20,309
Likes: 1,064
From: Salina, KS
Re: NOS GM mufflers......

Originally Posted by chazman
Drew! Where have you been?!
I've just been following other hobbies. When any hobby starts to get old, I set it down and step away for awhile.


Originally Posted by chazman
Go to the Xlerator website and check out the mandrel bent X3000 and X3001 tail pipes. #34754 and #34755 are pretty close too. See what you guys think. About as close to factory as I've seen.
The 34754/34755 numbers look to be Walker part numbers. Should be able to get them through most chain auto parts stores.

Summit lists the X3000/X3001 under APH-X3000 & APH-X3001, but doesn't give any specs. However, the Apex Exhaust "Performance" catalog shows the X3000/X3001 and X6501 I-pipe as being 2.5", not 3".

Name:  apexcatback.jpg
Views: 597
Size:  74.7 KB

FWIW, a lot of the parts store replacement exhaust parts for thirdgens have gone to using the same muffler and tailpipes for everything from the V6 to the L98, simply so they don't have to make and stock different parts.

If you really want performance sized exhaust, stick to a catback. If you want something very close to OEM, it's hard to beat Walker/Dynomax. While the stock TPI I-pipe IS 2.75", it necks down to 2.5" where it slips inside the muffler. The Walker I-pipe is virtually identical.
Reply
Old Mar 21, 2016 | 06:06 AM
  #74  
TTOP350's Avatar
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 12,214
Likes: 1,140
From: Il
Car: 1989-92 FORMULA350 305 92 Hawkclone
Engine: 4++,350 & 305 CIs
Transmission: 700R4 4800 vig 18th700R4 t56 ZF6 T5
Axle/Gears: 3.70 9"ford alum chunk,dana44,9bolt
Re: NOS GM mufflers......

Originally Posted by ev305tpi
The clamps did exist on the '91, here is a pic of mine:



Thanks for the pictures (on FB too), I wonder when the switch was made? I know not 89 but 90? 91? I like those clamps a lot better.
Reply
Old Mar 21, 2016 | 09:18 AM
  #75  
chazman's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 9,937
Likes: 636
From: Chicagoland
Car: 1989 IROC-Z. Original owner
Engine: LB9. Dual Cats. Big Cam
Transmission: World Class T-5
Axle/Gears: BW 3.45
Re: NOS GM mufflers......

Originally Posted by Drew
I've just been following other hobbies. When any hobby starts to get old, I set it down and step away for awhile.




The 34754/34755 numbers look to be Walker part numbers. Should be able to get them through most chain auto parts stores.

Summit lists the X3000/X3001 under APH-X3000 & APH-X3001, but doesn't give any specs. However, the Apex Exhaust "Performance" catalog shows the X3000/X3001 and X6501 I-pipe as being 2.5", not 3".



FWIW, a lot of the parts store replacement exhaust parts for thirdgens have gone to using the same muffler and tailpipes for everything from the V6 to the L98, simply so they don't have to make and stock different parts.

If you really want performance sized exhaust, stick to a catback. If you want something very close to OEM, it's hard to beat Walker/Dynomax. While the stock TPI I-pipe IS 2.75", it necks down to 2.5" where it slips inside the muffler. The Walker I-pipe is virtually identical.

On the X6501 I-pipe, I called CARid on it's specs and they have it listed as 3". So, who knows.

Last edited by chazman; Mar 21, 2016 at 12:28 PM.
Reply
Old Mar 24, 2016 | 03:50 PM
  #76  
chazman's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 9,937
Likes: 636
From: Chicagoland
Car: 1989 IROC-Z. Original owner
Engine: LB9. Dual Cats. Big Cam
Transmission: World Class T-5
Axle/Gears: BW 3.45
Re: NOS GM mufflers......

Originally Posted by chazman
On the X6501 I-pipe, I called CARid on it's specs and they have it listed as 3". So, who knows.
Summit also confirmed to me today that this is in fact a 3" pipe.

Now to find one for an '85 with the unique 4 bolt flange cat for an L69/LB9.
Reply
Old Mar 24, 2016 | 08:02 PM
  #77  
gt4373's Avatar
Supreme Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 2,971
Likes: 348
From: CT
Car: 1984 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
Engine: 5.0 Liter 4-BBL V8 High Output
Transmission: 5-Speed Manual
Axle/Gears: 3.73
Re: NOS GM mufflers......

Originally Posted by chazman
Summit also confirmed to me today that this is in fact a 3" pipe.

Now to find one for an '85 with the unique 4 bolt flange cat for an L69/LB9.
The Only 4-Bolt I Pipe They Show On Their Site Is Under The AP Exhaust 78117,But It Doesn't List The Diameter,No 4-Bolt I Pipe Shown Under Their Performance Exhaust.


Reply
Old Mar 24, 2016 | 11:46 PM
  #78  
Drew's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (58)
 
Joined: Jul 1999
Posts: 20,309
Likes: 1,064
From: Salina, KS
Re: NOS GM mufflers......

Originally Posted by chazman
Summit also confirmed to me today that this is in fact a 3" pipe.
So nevermind what the manufacturer shows? Not at all concerned that the diagram shows three 2 1/2" muffler clamps? Can't imagine how the company that makes the part knows less about it than random vendors.

Won't know for sure until someone orders one, but everything I'm seeing shows that I-pipe as being 2.5".
Reply
Old Mar 24, 2016 | 11:59 PM
  #79  
chazman's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 9,937
Likes: 636
From: Chicagoland
Car: 1989 IROC-Z. Original owner
Engine: LB9. Dual Cats. Big Cam
Transmission: World Class T-5
Axle/Gears: BW 3.45
Re: NOS GM mufflers......

Originally Posted by Drew
So nevermind what the manufacturer shows? Not at all concerned that the diagram shows three 2 1/2" muffler clamps? Can't imagine how the company that makes the part knows less about it than random vendors.

Won't know for sure until someone orders one, but everything I'm seeing shows that I-pipe as being 2.5".
The factory system uses a 2.5" clamp, where the 2.75" I-pipes necks down into the muffler inlet.

But you are right, someone has to order one for us to know 100%.
Reply
Old Mar 25, 2016 | 06:04 AM
  #80  
kauboy's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 209
Likes: 0
From: HONOLULU HI
Car: 83 Z28 Crossfire
Engine: 305
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.23
Re: NOS GM mufflers......

Originally Posted by chazman
On the X6501 I-pipe, I called CARid on it's specs and they have it listed as 3". So, who knows.
It's a 2.5 I have that system on my car.
Reply
Old Mar 25, 2016 | 07:26 PM
  #81  
gt4373's Avatar
Supreme Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 2,971
Likes: 348
From: CT
Car: 1984 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
Engine: 5.0 Liter 4-BBL V8 High Output
Transmission: 5-Speed Manual
Axle/Gears: 3.73
Re: NOS GM mufflers......

Originally Posted by Motown
The x3000 and x3001 are listed for v6 cars while the 34754 and 34755 are listed for the v8 cars. Why would that be? They look to be the same diameter pipe right?

If they are then the 3000/3001 look spot on and I would be getting them for my TPI V8...
To Me The 34754 Looks More Like Factory.
First Pic Is Factory,Second Is 34754,Third Is X3001,Forth Is Walker 43244.











Reply
Old Mar 25, 2016 | 07:43 PM
  #82  
chazman's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 9,937
Likes: 636
From: Chicagoland
Car: 1989 IROC-Z. Original owner
Engine: LB9. Dual Cats. Big Cam
Transmission: World Class T-5
Axle/Gears: BW 3.45
Re: NOS GM mufflers......

Originally Posted by kauboy
It's a 2.5 I have that system on my car.
Well that stinks!
Reply
Old Mar 25, 2016 | 07:54 PM
  #83  
kauboy's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 209
Likes: 0
From: HONOLULU HI
Car: 83 Z28 Crossfire
Engine: 305
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.23
Re: NOS GM mufflers......

Originally Posted by gt4373
To Me The 34754 Looks More Like Factory.
First Pic Is Factory,Second Is 34754,Third Is X3001,Forth Is Walker 43244.











My car with x3000 and x3001
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
mattbhm
Transmissions and Drivetrain
25
Mar 29, 2016 06:18 PM
Procharged GTA
Exhaust
5
Feb 29, 2016 07:46 PM
VincentZ28
Southern California Area
9
Feb 24, 2016 09:28 PM
soarestransam
Tech / General Engine
3
Feb 18, 2016 08:04 PM
hotrodjames
Southern California Area
0
Feb 15, 2016 04:43 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:32 PM.