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Old Jul 21, 2017 | 06:51 PM
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1986 camaro tpi wont run

I have my 1986 Camaro 305 tpi ok so here is Whats happening I put a new fuel pump in a week ago ran fine got new gas went8 miles parked tune car went to shop came back out it would start but rough idle if I touch the gas pedal it dies out imidiantly. Running fuel presure is 50 psi. Key on 48 bit drops to 10 instant its making me insane lol. Any tips would help I got 22 lbs injectors on way and new presure regulator will give update in a week but mean time im lost.
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Old Jul 24, 2017 | 04:15 PM
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Re: 1986 camaro tpi wont run

Pinch off the return line from the regulator, and see if pressure still drops off like a stone.
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Old Jul 24, 2017 | 09:25 PM
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Re: 1986 camaro tpi wont run

Im fighting a similar problem, just had my buddies put in my w-255 pump. Same story good pressure, then the pump cuts off and drops to 3-4 psi. Buds think its a wiring issue that involves the pump and ignition switch.

New 24 injectors, new diaphragm, new fuel filter. Pinched the return line, pressure hit 78-80 psi, then stone drop.
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Old Jul 24, 2017 | 09:40 PM
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Re: 1986 camaro tpi wont run

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Im fighting a similar problem, just had my buddies put in my w-255 pump. Same story good pressure, then the pump cuts off and drops to 3-4 psi. Buds think its a wiring issue that involves the pump and ignition switch.

New 24 injectors, new diaphragm, new fuel filter. Pinched the return line, pressure hit 78-80 psi, then stone drop.
initial prime the fp uses the pump relay. After the engine builds oil pressure 4psi or higher the ops sends direct power to the pump through c100 out the back of the car to the sender connector.
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Old Jul 24, 2017 | 09:43 PM
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Re: 1986 camaro tpi wont run


Ops not shown but there should be a splice at the relay or near the relay for pump power from the ops. You might have corrosion or damage at this connected at the relay. Could be a bad pump .


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Old Jul 24, 2017 | 10:55 PM
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Re: 1986 camaro tpi wont run

My bud thinks its a power issue too. But why do I lose pressure after pump prime? (key unmoved, prime only)
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Old Jul 25, 2017 | 12:17 AM
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Re: 1986 camaro tpi wont run

I am very new to this website and I dont mean to take light away from you but i am having the same problem. But if anyone can help i am looking to start a new thread and dont know how. sorry and thanks
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Old Jul 25, 2017 | 07:30 AM
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Re: 1986 camaro tpi wont run

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I am very new to this website and I dont mean to take light away from you but i am having the same problem. But if anyone can help i am looking to start a new thread and dont know how. sorry and thanks
Stay in the boat, no need to jump ship.
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Old Jul 25, 2017 | 11:14 AM
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Re: 1986 camaro tpi wont run

A little bit of pressure drop isn't real unusual, as soon as the ECM sees the engine turning, it'll trip the pump relay again.
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Old Jul 25, 2017 | 11:27 AM
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Re: 1986 camaro tpi wont run

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A little bit of pressure drop isn't real unusual, as soon as the ECM sees the engine turning, it'll trip the pump relay again.
We're not talking about "a little", we're talking about nearly all of it in an instant.
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Old Jul 26, 2017 | 11:23 AM
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Re: 1986 camaro tpi wont run

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We're not talking about "a little", we're talking about nearly all of it in an instant.
Yup. Misread that.
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Old Jul 26, 2017 | 05:12 PM
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Re: 1986 camaro tpi wont run

Ok update got now parts in going to pinch the return line. What will that show. This thing won't run for nothing will be back on next week with update only get 1 day a week to work on it..... Is the egr supposed to be stiff because my old car was not this stiff?
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Old Jul 26, 2017 | 05:13 PM
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Re: 1986 camaro tpi wont run

Any one know how to test mad
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Old Jul 26, 2017 | 05:42 PM
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Re: 1986 camaro tpi wont run

iv got an update - be back
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Old Jul 26, 2017 | 05:49 PM
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Re: 1986 camaro tpi wont run

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Any one know how to test mad
If he is red in the face, he's mad.
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Old Jul 26, 2017 | 05:53 PM
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Re: 1986 camaro tpi wont run

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Any one know how to test mad
The only way I know is to use a scanner or tunerpro rt. And watch gps vs rpm.
Idle is 7-9 gps going up with rpm/air flow.
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Old Jul 26, 2017 | 06:02 PM
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Re: 1986 camaro tpi wont run

Buds said my ecm/inj driver was fried out (???) - don't know how that could have happened. An that ecm had the inj hung open the whole time, thus draining all my fuel pressure prime.

- I had tried the clamp return line (earlier) but that did nothing. Pressure hit like 78-80 psi then stone DROP.
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Old Jul 26, 2017 | 06:15 PM
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Re: 1986 camaro tpi wont run

Sounds more like a stuck open injector, when the injector driver fails injector pulse on each bank stops.
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Old Jul 26, 2017 | 06:28 PM
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Re: 1986 camaro tpi wont run

Injectors only have like 5 miles on them and I sent them to Southbay to be inspected. before and afterward same thing.

-also when I bought the set (about a year ago), one of the injectors never fired - but all the rest did
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Old Jul 26, 2017 | 07:49 PM
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Re: 1986 camaro tpi wont run

Sorry not mad darn phone any one know how to test maf. This thing is not wanting to idle or run
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Old Jul 27, 2017 | 12:45 PM
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Re: 1986 camaro tpi wont run

Bud says the car is running. Said the cylinders pored gas out and that gas shot out the exaust 3 feet. Probably gonna be a few days before I can go down there and get it.
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Old Jul 29, 2017 | 07:22 PM
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Re: 1986 camaro tpi wont run

Just got the car home, no more pressure problem - it runs.
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Old Jul 30, 2017 | 10:20 AM
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Re: 1986 camaro tpi wont run

What was the fix?
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Old Jul 30, 2017 | 09:46 PM
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Re: 1986 camaro tpi wont run

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What was the fix?
A new ECM.
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