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Old Apr 6, 2018 | 02:45 PM
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Soooooo..... I got the hotside finished (kinda)
still gotta mount the wastegate.

I think it turned out great!
The crossover sits much higher than the K-member, about 2" below the harmonic balancer...

The steering linkages clear everything from lock to lock

pics to follow
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Pardon the nasty welds... They get better with practice
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Passenger side
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Old Apr 6, 2018 | 03:12 PM
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That's about it for now....
I believe that all my major parts are here.

Have the EBL, Intercooler. BOV and piping.
The Areomotive 340 pump came in the other day, as well as a battery box for the hatch.
The 80lb injectors are here and I have the oil lines ready.

I was hoping that I could keep the nose on during the cold side installation...we'll see.

Im gonna try to fabricate a taller air dam to help push more air towards the intercooler and radiator, I'll cross that bridge later

I'll probably add a YouTube video soon
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Old Apr 6, 2018 | 10:05 PM
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You flux coring?

May want to try touch more heat and/or slow wire speed down some. Doesnt look like its melting in that deep and bubbling up some
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Old Apr 6, 2018 | 10:48 PM
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You hit the nail on the head!
That is flux cored MIG (first timer, self taught)
Electricity freaks the sh*t outta me, but I had to get used to it fast...

The welds have been getting better...
I was thinking of grinding the first stuff and redoing...

Still needs cleaning but I'm getting more comfortable


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Good luck with the build.
I thought about going turbo as well, but it requires too much fabrication.

Are you going to run a taller hood?
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Old Apr 7, 2018 | 01:48 AM
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Thanks..
The fabrication scared me for almost 10 years, but I finally convinced myself to try it.

I made things easier years ago by getting rid of all the air conditioning equip...

It's the electronics that really have me worried!!!

The compressor is just low enough for the hood to close... So we'll see what happens...
I have a spare hood hanging from the ceiling in my garage in case this one gets sacrificed.

I checked out the schedule at Gimli drag way and I have most test n tune weekends off. Unlike the last few years where I've been working for all of them.
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Old Jun 6, 2018 | 10:47 PM
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Moving along...
It’s been slow in the garage....
Too many other obligations.

The cold side is done.... although I’m still trying to decide whether I mount the intercooler horizontal, vertical or at a 45* angle.

Here’s a couple of pics
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Horizontal
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Old Jun 6, 2018 | 10:51 PM
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Still got some wastegate plumbing to do...
Everything clears so far!!!
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Old Jun 7, 2018 | 09:58 AM
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Will those silicone couplers hold the psi?
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Will those silicone couplers hold the psi?
I ran some to 25 psi no problem
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Old Jun 7, 2018 | 11:21 AM
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Oh this is still mock-up stuff... I have clamps for everything.
And I won’t be running high boost until tune and engine setup allow.
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Quick question on exhaust headers - did you pick the Tahoe units over the S10 swap headers for any specific reason? I haven't researched them too much, just wondering if perhaps you had.

Looks like the driver side gets tight there the to steering box - how bad is it?

My other option is the XS power manifold set with the crossover under the motor, and the log style unit on the pass side. But I have an LT1 swapped in, and the alternator will be in the way of the turbo I believe. Not sure if it's easier at that point to move the alternator somehow, or modify the pass. side header.
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I kinda looked at the S10 headers...., I wanted something short and tight because I initially planned to point them forward and up. Decided that forward and down was a better choice.
The driver side is crazy close to the steering box. I smoothed out the collector as best as I could then finished it with a Big F*ckn Hammer...😆
At this point it doesn’t touch.... and I plan on wrapping the whole hotside in header wrap.

i can’t speak to the XS system, besides to say that it would be a hell of a lot easier than fabricating your own!!!
Besides that, I thought that I could do it “cheaper” if I did it myself....

Its not cheaper.... especially if you’re buying welders, chop saws etc
I think all the mandrel pipe and v band clamps were $600+ CAD

If I were to do it again I woulda got the Single CX Racing kit. It woulda made more sense.
Time and Money
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From what I've seen / heard, the XS Power may need the #8 pipe moved, and the crossover may also need modified. So the fab stuff may still be in order. I have MIG welded stainless exhaust before, but it wasn't show quality TIG.

I may think about the CX option again, it just seems like a good bit more money. But might be worth the investment. That kit sure looks a whole lot better in the aesthetics department.
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Sammy it's been over a month. How is the progress coming along...?

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Old Jul 25, 2018 | 04:37 PM
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God, I wish that I could tell you that there was a ton of progress, but..... there hasn’t been.

Stumbled on the wastegate and downpipe...

I re-routed the power steering cooling lines, Flared them and ran them into a transmission cooler mounted between the rad and intercooler.

Flared the transmission lines and plumbed them into a hydraulic fluid cooler mounted to the under carriage.

The cold side is done....

Still gotta put the 80lbs injectors in...
Install the Aeromotive 340 pump....
And install the EBL .....

oh yeah, then the exhaust


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Transmission cooler

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Old Jul 26, 2018 | 07:59 AM
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Wish you lived closer Sammy, would help you at least get the EBL installed right away...

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Repinning this thing makes me nervous...
I’ll be asking for help when the time comes
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Old Jul 26, 2018 | 02:10 PM
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Don't worry about it. Just let us know when you get started, will help you through it.

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Old Jul 26, 2018 | 10:39 PM
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That’s great!!!
I’m gonna try hard next week (Holidays) to make some serious progress...!
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Old Jul 30, 2018 | 01:05 PM
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Sammy, when you're ready, I will make you a video going over what needs to be done for the EBL install. It's very easy to do. Just get yourself an eyeglass screwdriver, as this can be used to easily remove the terminals from their connectors and make the install go very smooth. Once it's setup, and when all the sensors show the right data on the WUD screen in terms of which MAP your initially going with, which injectors, etc, the engine will fire right up and the VE Learns can begin...

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Thank you sooooo much !!!!!
You have no idea what that means to me!!!
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Forgive my ignorance, but is it absolutely mandatory that you route both headers to the turbo? Wouldn't just 1 bank drive it sufficiently?
If you were using 2 turbos, then 1 would be attached to each header, correct? I'm thinking it would make the exhaust plumbing nightmare a lot simpler.
Are your exhaust pipes galvanized? If so, then that is why you are getting crappy welds. You need to grind the weld area down to base metal first.
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I’m sure that somebody with a lot more knowledge and experience can chime in about the first part of your question, but the exhaust routing really isn’t that bad. I just made sure that I could turn my steering system from lock to lock. The driver side area is very crowded by steering shafts, brake booster, fuel lines etc.

The exhaust pipes are 16 gauge Aluminized steel.... I’m just a rookie welder with a dream
The welds got better with gun time
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Forgive my ignorance, but is it absolutely mandatory that you route both headers to the turbo? Wouldn't just 1 bank drive it sufficiently?[
The fueling in the second bank would be completely off, and w/batch and sequential fire this would be a nightmare. It would be possible with individual cylinder correction, but then you will have one bank running hotter than the other, not to mention a very laggy turbo...

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Thanks for that answer Rob. I thought it might be something like that, but still worth asking.
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Re: SBC SINGLE TURBO PROJECT

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The fueling in the second bank would be completely off, and w/batch and sequential fire this would be a nightmare. It would be possible with individual cylinder correction, but then you will have one bank running hotter than the other, not to mention a very laggy turbo...

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You would definately need a second O2 and way to monitor/correct it. Some of the V6 saabs had a turbo on one bank and not the other. Properly sized exhaust housing should compensate for any lag.
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Soooooo, I grabbed a dual 11” fan setup from an Audi S4 yesterday.
Looks like they’re 180 watt each, with 10 scooped blades.
I tested them when I got home and they started to lift up and fly away...!
They move a rediculous amount of air!!!
I’m gonna mount them infront of the radiator as pushers.
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DAMN nice score
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Find the fans at Bucks? or some other pick a part place?
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Old Aug 1, 2018 | 02:55 PM
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Bucks it was!!!
Import lot obviously...,
But there were lots of sizes to choose from.
Almost grabbed a Mercedes dual electric fan setup but the S4 looked a little better.

$30
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Got the downpipe welded in tonite...
Had to ding the 1LE heater box a bit...
Started mocking up the wastegate stuff, it’ll dump into the down-pipe




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Re: SBC SINGLE TURBO PROJECT

Got the wastegate dump pipe finished tonite!
I’m really happy with how it came together, despite my flux core MIG welds....

So the Turbo downpipe is 3”
The wastegate dump is 2.5”,
I figured that the wastegate might be moving a lot of exhaust energy... especially in the beginning.

Still lots to do, but I’m happy that I’ve had time to work on this project.



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Old Aug 6, 2018 | 09:06 AM
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Re: SBC SINGLE TURBO PROJECT

Hey guys, looking for opinions....
I have an Innovate LC-1 wideband O2 sensor/controller.

Is it adequate for a turbo application?
If it’s not suitable, what is?
Is there an optimal placement for the sensor?

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Old Aug 6, 2018 | 09:24 AM
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Re: SBC SINGLE TURBO PROJECT

Sorry boyz, I leaped before I looked...

Just checked the Innovate site,
It says you can run the LC-1 in a turbo application,but suggests you mount it at least 24” away from the turbo.
By approximation, that puts me around the firewall.
Awesome
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Old Aug 6, 2018 | 09:44 AM
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Re: SBC SINGLE TURBO PROJECT

You can run it closer than 2 ft but i wouldnt go closer than 1 ft. Sensor life may be reduced in hotter environments

definitely a few inches past the wastegate entrance to downpipe
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Old Aug 6, 2018 | 10:34 AM
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Thanks!!!
Info, opinions and help greatly appreciated!!!!
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Old Aug 30, 2018 | 09:51 PM
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Re: SBC SINGLE TURBO PROJECT

Took the hotside out of the car to wrap it.
God do I hate fibreglass!!!!





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Old Aug 30, 2018 | 10:10 PM
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Re: SBC SINGLE TURBO PROJECT

Originally Posted by fasteddi
I'm a union pipefitter welder and have been working at Campbell's soup for a good 6 years. So keep buying that soup!!! Wastegate looks nice.
I don't buy Campbell's soup since they killed Chicken & Dumplings and also killed Franco-American Spaghetti after they bought them.
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Keep it up man your almost done!
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Old Sep 9, 2018 | 09:47 PM
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Re: SBC SINGLE TURBO PROJECT

Everything in my garage is covered with fiberglass hair!!!!
Its driving me crazy!!!

When I wrapped my motorcycle exhaust I soaked the wrap....
It helped with the fiberglass hair but made a complete mess everywhere...

Anyways, I painted the wrap with high temp exhaust paint...
Hopefully, this will allow me to be exposed to them later....

I took a couple of big fans and my compressed air to blow out my garage. I hope it helps....


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Old Sep 9, 2018 | 10:04 PM
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Re: SBC SINGLE TURBO PROJECT

http://designengineering.com/hi-temp-silicone-coating-spray/

This also helps corrosion issues with the wrap howrapg moisture
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