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Old Feb 17, 2004 | 12:40 PM
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can i use 416's with a 355?

i just got a rebuilt 355.. i have a set of heads that have just come back from the shop that i was going to use on my 305.. the heads are 416's and i had 1.94 and 1.60 valves put in, as well as a mild port job. the heads are 58cc's

can i use these on my new 355? i really dont want to buy new ones.

also is a 93LT1 cam better than the stocker? i have one , and the engine is still on the stand, so i didnt know if i should change it out or not.. thanks guys
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Old Feb 17, 2004 | 03:07 PM
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Axle/Gears: 12 Bolt 3.73
It depends on what pistons the 355 has. If they are flat tops w/valve reliefs it would be almost 11.0-1. If they are dished like stock it will be a little over 10.0-1 and that would be pushing it to the limit. 91 octane would not be enough with steel heads.
Yeah, the cam is better than an L03 or L98.
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Old Feb 17, 2004 | 03:15 PM
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yeah the pistons are flat tops with the valve releifs.

DAMN IT!!

k so it looks like i need to get some L98 heads then? what is the CC i need to be looking for?

does using a thicker head gasket make any difference? i really wanted to use these heads(416;s) but it looks like i wont be able to then, right Don?
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Old Feb 17, 2004 | 03:24 PM
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It would not be a good idea.
You need 64cc heads and a .051 gasket to keep it at 9.8.-1.
I would use the GMpart #12557236
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Old Feb 17, 2004 | 04:12 PM
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i dont suppose you have a set of heads that are ready to go, do you Don?
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Old Feb 17, 2004 | 06:43 PM
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What about 416's on a 79 LM1 350 that had 8.2:1 cr stock? What would the cr be?
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Old Feb 17, 2004 | 11:50 PM
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Question Originally posted by 305LG4Cutlass
What about 416's on a 79 LM1 350 that had 8.2:1 cr stock? What would the cr be?
LM1s use 76cc heads ...

Answer Originally posted by Dyno Don
... they are dished like stock it will be a little over 10.0-1 and that would be pushing it to the limit. 91 octane would not be enough with steel heads.
I would recommend that you use 4.00" bore heads with any 4.00" bore based engine. Too many hidden problems from just slapping on 305 heads on a 350 engine.
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Old Feb 18, 2004 | 12:25 AM
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Originally posted by 305LG4Cutlass
What about 416's on a 79 LM1 350 that had 8.2:1 cr stock? What would the cr be?
That would be around 9.8-1....barely make it on 91 octane
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Old Feb 18, 2004 | 01:12 PM
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are there any casting #'s i should avoid? i found a company that has 64cc heads for a 350... what #'s should they be?
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Old Feb 18, 2004 | 02:08 PM
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Heads

#1083's are L98 '87-'92 for camaro.
#191-193's are L05 350 for trucks.
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Old Feb 18, 2004 | 04:20 PM
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well its a good thing i asked.... the shop said the heads were 193's

im just going to say screw it... and buy vortec heads from Jegs. yeah i know... gotta change the intake as well..

does Scoggin Dicky have 87TPI manifold in vortec style?
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Old Feb 18, 2004 | 04:58 PM
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k screw that idea... im not spending over 400$ on a damn intake..



anyone have L98 heads please?
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Old Feb 24, 2004 | 11:24 AM
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1083 heads (L-98's)

Dave...
I found you a set of heads...let me know if you still need them.
PM me.
Don>>>
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Old Feb 24, 2004 | 07:01 PM
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thanks Don, but i just scored a set from a list member on saturday... Thanks Fernando!!
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