Ha. Is my dignity at stake? LOL.

It is not a shade. It is because of the monitor. No tricks. Sorry but we didn't bring any CDs or floppies to get the data and Sarkis didn't have any either. The pic is a screen capture by my cell phone camera. And you can't see anything from your graph anyways.....nice try.

Sorry.

and

 

How much tuning and 100 octane gas went into that 373 HP?

 

Why?

 

Just trying to gauge the potential of my car...
Looks very promising, with no PE tuning.

 

These were just baseline runs. We didn't bring any tuning equipment nor any other chips besides the one that was in there. We did scan it but I still haven't gotten off my but to look at the data. What was your first dyno results? I'm sure once you made some chip changes you picked up some power. Well, that is where we are at now.

Once we get smogged then we'll install the bigger TB and a couple other parts (when I find time). There is probably a good 10-15 RWHP in there once we get the AFR up from 12:1 to something like 12.5-12.8:1. Then there is the bigger TB and intake mod. Then we have to make some changes so that the car can get a 1.4-1.5 60' that we need to get our ET. But we don't want to brag or give away too much this early in the game with Allen, Don, and Kevin making some big changes.

 

How is running your completely rebuilt from the ground up truck, which has been kept hidden from the public for the past 2 years, against my car, a "good race"?

I'll save you the trouble of paying the entry fee at the track. "You win."


Pick on somebody your own size.

 

Jesus H Christ! I go to sleep and I wake up to this? I’m going back to sleep…wake me up when it’s time for my eleven seconds of fame.

 

Ha. It was done up 14 years ago. It hasn't been hidden. I has just recently been able to move on its own power. It is a 100% stock TPI. It would be a good race because it runs similar times to your bird. I have just been adding hings like a floor shifter instead of the column shifter and new rear disc brakes. It's not the 12-second truck it was back in the day.

 

There you see.....you are full of it.
You put in a ZZ4 motor in your truck and then try to convince everyone it's a stock TPI

 

Obviously Mike and especially James have nothing better to do then get the rest of you in a dither.
Me, I just read it and if they ever come to the track then the truth comes out, until then its just words.

 

The TPI is 100% stock from the 48mm TB and untouched plenum and base. How is that not stock?

I guess it is as much BS as the fact that we never went to the Dyno.

The heads are stock corvete heads. It has a slightly larger cam than a L98 engine but otherwise there is nothing fancy that would increase power. A steel crank isn't gonna make more power by itself. Julie has aftermarket runners and base among other things. My engine is more stock than hers.
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Yep...and they fall for it every-single-time.

 

That's ok....some day all that crap will come back to bite them

But then, given the reputation they created for them selves what can they expect?

 

Amazing how the car just happened to put down numbers higher than Vincents with no tuning. I guess Don's engine and my tuning are just that damn good? I think Vincent made 4 or 5 pulls that day, and it was getting stronger with each tune.
You guys need to stop wasting your time with dynos unless you're tuning too. 12:1 a/f ratio is a little rich, it should pick up a couple more numbers with some lean out.
I watched the video you posted, but I didnt see any crowds gathered around cheering over the run, as posted by Mike.
James, if you're talking stock TPI, its supposed to mean a stock engine as delivered in a Camaro/Firebird/Corvette, not a GM crate engine that you put a stock TPI on. First you said your truck wasnt running right with a 14.1 ET and then you say it'd be a good race for other 14 second cars. Sounds like a hustler to me.

 

 

We just wanted to see what it put down so we would know what we had ahead of us in order to get it where we want it to be. It still needs to get smogged soon and I didn't wanna get into the chip or anything like that. I just scanned it prior to the dyno to make sure it wouldn't blow up. I got my hands and timecard full enough as it is with the truck.

The zz4 is basically a corvette engine with a slightly bigger cam but not bigger. TPI is TPI. The TPI is stock. If you stuck the TPI unit on a 265 SBC it would be a TPI engine. Same is you suck it on an LO3. I didn't say the engine was TPI, nut it isn't a stump puller either. The 14.1s run was through a carb. The stock TPI will not let it breath as easily but should be more fun on the street and get better gas mileage. If the truck runs 13.6 then no it won't be a fun or fair race. If it runs 13.9-14.2 then it would be fun. But it isn't gonna run mid 12s at LACR in 100* weather anymore either. I'm not trying to hustle Julie. She just needs someone to play with in the 13.9-14.3 ET range and since you haven't raced the Candy Cane is a while I thought I would bring it out to play some time.

 

C’mon Kev…there’s a reason people call me hours after leaving my dealership and ask “I’m sorry, but what did I buy again?” You are dealing with an individual that makes his living selling sizzle and manifesting uncontrollable emotional response resulting in a substantial financial commitment which in most cases the individual/s involved isn’t even remotely capable of handling. I’m afraid guilt is an emotion I have yet to experience. If I’ve deceived you once, shame on me. If I’ve deceived you twice…shame on you. My words move people to take action and with action comes involvement, with involvement comes evolution.

 

We have a reputation of talking a lot of sh*t, packaging it in truth, and then wrapping it up with results. We take what is known and then we add the our sizzle to it and then we clean everybodies clock. Then people buy new heads, new cams, and port what wasn't before. And then 2 years later they finally start to catch up. Then I have to dust off my toolbox and Mike starts breaking in his driving shoes. We plan to jump high enough to leap over Vincent and still have enough in it to give Jerry some fun too.

 

And the next one I put together will have you and Mike buying a pair of shovels to dig yourselves out, and I don't talk sh*t.

 

You just did!?!?

Plus you've been saying that since 2003. We aren't getting an younger.

 

With great power comes great responsibility?

(Sorry. I couldn't help myself.)




So far, I haven't seen any numbers that will make people start running to get new parts.

I can't believe you guys want to take credit for everything that people do.

What about Jerry's new combination, for instance?

 

Well said Julie; however I’m not attempting to take credit for anything that anybody does. How many times have you logged on only to find the same stagnant thread sitting there for days with nothing new, nothing to inspire you? More often than not I’m afraid.

I can’t control it if someone allows themselves to become infected by our words. I can’t help it if that after reading one of our threads someone looks at their car as something more than just a daily driver again. I can’t help it if someone wants to experience the feeling of knowing that he or she can embarrass 90% of the vehicles sitting next to you at a stop light.

The majority of people just need to be told that it’s ok to do or buy something. I’ve spent my entire career selling people things that they don’t need and all I ever have to do is tell them that it’s ok to buy it. If these threads motivate an individual enough to hit the go button, hey right on! Words are just that, words. How you allow them to influence you is up to you.

Hell I built an entire car just to compete against Dean. Did Dean take credit for me building my car? No, but I’m man enough to say that that inspired me to.

Numbers, I don’t believe anybody will be seeing any numbers for quite some time. Vince and I have been in contact throughout this whole ordeal. He and I would like nothing more than a little heads up, street tire to street tire on a stretch of highway somewhere. But it’s like I told him, it’s not my car but if the keys ever end up in my hand he’s going to be the first person I call…

What about Jerry's new combination?

 

Mike, you should be a politician.

 

Just so EVERYBODY knows (not just Mike), I think I made it apparent after last time AutoXing this V6 that the wife was not real keen on me "so called racing" her car especialy after I cut a tire on the way home and delivered it back home on a flatbed The fact that one of my older brothers was with me and vouched for the innocent incident and that it did happen UNtrack related saved alot of arguement- be she still was not happy. Don't expect any grudge matchs from me in this in the future- besides- what I did out on the track I could just do around most surface streets and freeway onramps for free- the car was floored basically through the entire course and is boring to race. Its a fulltime street car for my wife as stated many times.

To summerize, any married man would agree that if you take the wife's car racing and then have it towed home- its not a good thing.

 

That's what I told him.

I keep reading this thread for the shear entertainment value. I seriously hope that no one is taking all this banter too seriously. It's all meant in the name of friendly competition.

With that said, I am still waiting for EVERYONE to show up at the track on the same day and get this heads-up challenge down on pavement, rather than just text on a screen. Up to now, it's been nothing but bench racing for the past 2 or 3 years.

As entertaining as it is at times Mike, I have to say this show is getting a tad old. I think the autocross event last year was the best to date. A lot of smack went down, but in the end, the cars showed up and a winner was crowned. Time for that to finally happen at the drag strip.

 

The drag strip has been closed since January, but several of us are ready to go. Jonathan is going to throw his hat in the ring with his Purple People Eater soon, too.

I personally are not upgrading my car to compete with Ken and Vince. I just want to stay ahead of my dad. Those guys' thirdgens are their fun cars, while mine is my daily driver. I dont want to make it too wild for the street. I'm using hand-me-down parts while they're available. If they werent available, I wouldnt be upgrading.

 

Yeah I'll be ready soon, but I am not doing all these upgrades to compete w/ the big dogs either. Being the fastest or having the most rwhp is not my goal, but I will take it to the track just to see what it will do in the 1/4 mi. Plus my combo is pretty mild compared to what the big dogs are currently running or will be running. If this new combo yields 300 - 320 rwhp I will be more than stoked.

 

Ditto also what Kevin said. My future combination will be mild, because it is a daily driver.

I could have decided on any setup. (Heck, some of my close siblings live out of state, I could ask them to register the car there, if I wanted to go that way...)

But I don't mind using hand me down parts, I am enjoying the car as it is, and it's fine to be slightly faster as time goes by.


Well, I'll be at the track like usual, nobody has to call me out... So bring it.

Too bad the next street legal / test & tune racing isn't until the end of July.

 

So this has all boiled down to taking Ken's car to the dyno and see what it would put down in its present tune. This may have had something to do with James/Mike buying the car.

So congratulations to Ken from one of the old fogies for the power his car put out. Maybe with a few more parts and good tuning he might hit the magical 400rwhp mark. Those power numbers should translate into some good track numbers. Again congratulations Ken.

I know one thing with my automatic transmission it will be hard for me to match the RWHP number. As I said before this will be an interesting year at the track.

 

Thanks...
But I think the T-56 and 700-R4 are actually neck and neck when it comes to drivetrain losses. And if you look on the registration, it still says Kenneth on there, so no one has bought anything.

 

And everyone better pray I don't show up for that event. Way I figure it, I should get the 3.9sec winning margin as a lead for handicap dragracing.
That would make things a little closer- you know it would be fun to try and chase me down the tall half. (visualize me bobbing my midsection back and forth in the seat trying to give 'er every bit of help as I am looking back at any of you barrelling down on me.- c'mon baby,go ,go go)

 

sooo... basically what you're saying is... you could sell a turbin made from an American Flag to Usama Bin Laden... awesome



I didnt know everyone was just out for a big d*ck swinging hp #.. my opinion is who cares about #'s as long as you are hitting your goal (be it 1/4 mile times, or auto X)

on a side note... Dean.. you really need to come up here to SLC.. they just opened up Miller Motorsports track.. 4.4 miles of road course.. its fricken awesome... going to a SCCA redline event there this saturday, i wont be driving but i'll be riding along with some friends who are racing.

 

Dave, The east end of that track looks challanging with the hills and ess section combined. Wow, what a course.
http://www.millermotorsportspark.com...?GalleryID=224
Miller Motorsports Park: 3D Video Views

 

I think if someone offered me $12 grand I'd sell my p.o.s. with trailor and spares. But since know one these days like trailored cars, I'll just keep it in the garage and use it for a work table and for storage. It'll get more use that way

 

Get that thing out and I'll be your crewcheif. I would love to help you out going to race days.

 

I'm not out for a HP number, probably before most of you even owned a thirdgen I was shooting for ~400 at the crank and somewhere in the 12's ET. The first iteration didnt do it. Future attempts at desperation didnt either. This combo hasnt either, but 12's should just be a 1.7 60' time away. And its not in a thirdgen. Maybe thats the problem...

 

Chris, you just need to up grade your intake system and I think you will have a 12 second car. You might be there now.

With new technology and knowledge becomming available everyday it is getting easier to make good horsepower. You have exceeded your goal of 400hp at the crank and I know you can make more with an upgraded intake system. Allen

Ken you are correct. I stated it wrong. I should have said looking into buying the car.

 

Maybe you should have LOL
And Ken did have 340 so you forgot that one.

 

you only need as much power as you can use.
Since we started this project, power hasnt been the problem, traction is.
When you can kick the rear end out on a 3500+lb vehicle at the 1-2 shift with ET streets, power isnt the problem.
Heaven help the rest of the drive train if this thing ever hooks up.

The garage queen has been officially renamed "hooker in heat".

 

Ken was there that day? I dont remember that. Getting older than I thought I guess...

I'd much rather have 12's than 400rwhp. I didnt want a dyno queen. I'll leave that to the Supra crowd.

 

Don't start this **** again...the last time I almost blew a deal remember!

 

Yes, you are getting older than you thought....
But still, you are correct that I wasn't there the day you got your pop's car dynoed.
I was there the first time, not the second.

 

Was the SR on there that time around?

 

Yes.

I tell you though, the exhaust made a huge difference between our run earlier this month and my first run... 1 5/8" headers. single cat, and 3" cat-back was not enough to support my beefy cam and ported heads.

 

Interesting.
I wonder what would happen if I ditched the 1 5/8" headers-2 1/2"Y-3" single on there now.

 

Oh yeah, lets go to 4" and see if I can get a reservation at the gray bar hotel.

 

Tom, a 3 1/2" Mufflex cat back sewer pipe will be enough. Chris, the 1 3/4" headers will help and dual cats if you don't have them. You should have no problem getting into the 12's. You have left power on the table with the intake system and your exhaust system. The Old Fogie.

 

You have the 1 3/4" headers just sitting there.
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I know it sounds ridiculous, but Allen's car got quieter after the 3 1/2" exhaust was added.

 

right rear bolt problem remember?

 

For sure. Bigger problem right now as mentioned before is getting what we have now to the ground. Weird car, it should run 60's real good and it doesnt 60' well at all.

 

LOL thay dont have any room right now so you should be OK.