What is a Camaro wonderbar ????
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Re: What is a Camaro wonderbar ????
They are more about crack prevention, rather than cure. That said, once I had my cracked frame welded up, I added a beefy home-made bar and noticed an immediate difference even after the welding fix.
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I agreed with what you said the first time. I just assume they forgot to install it at the factory. Maybe they had strike related supply issues like they did with the rear disc brakes that year.
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That would really be a shame! I think it's such an important part, without it the frame would crack from hard cornering.
I'm curious, with a rack and pinion, I guess the wonderbar is no longer needed then? You could remove the wonderbar to remove weight, and also have the benefit of rack and pinion which is also lighter and better feeling than a steering box (I think it's lighter?) I assume the frame wouldn't crack because the stress from hard cornering steering is now put on the k-member instead?
I'm curious, with a rack and pinion, I guess the wonderbar is no longer needed then? You could remove the wonderbar to remove weight, and also have the benefit of rack and pinion which is also lighter and better feeling than a steering box (I think it's lighter?) I assume the frame wouldn't crack because the stress from hard cornering steering is now put on the k-member instead?
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Re: What is a Camaro wonderbar ????
Anyone got a pic of how/where this thing mounts up?
I'm installing mine in a few weeks.
I'm installing mine in a few weeks.
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Re: What is a Camaro wonderbar ????
it sandwiches between the sway bar mounts and the body
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I'm still wondering (pun intended) what this wonderbar is really for. It connects the front subframe rails together, but aren't they already connected by the front crossmember?
Also, if handling improves "night and day" like some guys claim, then there's a problem with the frame in the first place. How do you reair something like that. Cracks can be welded but what about a weakend frame or one that suffers from fatique?
Also, if handling improves "night and day" like some guys claim, then there's a problem with the frame in the first place. How do you reair something like that. Cracks can be welded but what about a weakend frame or one that suffers from fatique?
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Well I just learned something here .
Course , the name "wonderbar" , In my younger days , referred to the signal seeking radios in cadillacs back in the 50s and 60s . You pushed the wonderbar , and the radio tuned to the next station automatically , without having to fine tune the tuning **** .
Wonderful !!!!!
Course , the name "wonderbar" , In my younger days , referred to the signal seeking radios in cadillacs back in the 50s and 60s . You pushed the wonderbar , and the radio tuned to the next station automatically , without having to fine tune the tuning **** .
Wonderful !!!!!
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Re: What is a Camaro wonderbar ????
I'm still wondering (pun intended) what this wonderbar is really for. It connects the front subframe rails together, but aren't they already connected by the front crossmember?
Also, if handling improves "night and day" like some guys claim, then there's a problem with the frame in the first place. How do you reair something like that. Cracks can be welded but what about a weakend frame or one that suffers from fatique?
Also, if handling improves "night and day" like some guys claim, then there's a problem with the frame in the first place. How do you reair something like that. Cracks can be welded but what about a weakend frame or one that suffers from fatique?
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Re: What is a Camaro wonderbar ????
Well I just learned something here .
Course , the name "wonderbar" , In my younger days , referred to the signal seeking radios in cadillacs back in the 50s and 60s . You pushed the wonderbar , and the radio tuned to the next station automatically , without having to fine tune the tuning **** .
Wonderful !!!!!
Course , the name "wonderbar" , In my younger days , referred to the signal seeking radios in cadillacs back in the 50s and 60s . You pushed the wonderbar , and the radio tuned to the next station automatically , without having to fine tune the tuning **** .
Wonderful !!!!!
not just caddies! my 58 impala has one
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Re: What is a Camaro wonderbar ????
I'm still wondering (pun intended) what this wonderbar is really for. It connects the front subframe rails together, but aren't they already connected by the front crossmember?
Also, if handling improves "night and day" like some guys claim, then there's a problem with the frame in the first place. How do you reair something like that. Cracks can be welded but what about a weakend frame or one that suffers from fatique?
Also, if handling improves "night and day" like some guys claim, then there's a problem with the frame in the first place. How do you reair something like that. Cracks can be welded but what about a weakend frame or one that suffers from fatique?
It will move quite a bit. That was enough to convince me to get and install a wonder bar.
RBob.
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Re: What is a Camaro wonderbar ????
I just bought a wonderbar off Lon. My 91 Firebird convertable has alot of flex so Im just tring to getthe chassis to feel solid, also bought alston subframe connectors off Lon And I can not wait to have them welded in. Oh an fo my sagging doors I got Lons Door hinge Allignment Tool and it fixed my sagging passenger door, I had bee slamming that door for years and in 5min its fixed with the power of a breaker bar! Thanks to LON
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