heres a mount after 5 min on a buffer
anyone lookig for a set john is starting production today and will be able to ship late next week

e-mail him at gseiperpro@aol.com
heres a pic

awesome mount

pete

 

Looks very nice . Me thinks the tig welded version would make my pillow seem that much softer at night though .

I'll PM ya about these.

Matt

 

Could you supply a picture of the bottom after welding? I am curious on how they look.

 

Could you supply me with the bearing manufacturer and part number?

 

There has been allot of interest for another run. Now I know talk is cheap allot of people want them but when its pay time, excuses are like, well ya know.

My point is simple, if you would have made more as you've had time, you would have had several made ready to sell. That way when real paying people contact you ready to buy, you could have seized the sale opportunity.

I not bashing you or your products or your contribution to 3rd gen, I just find it funny when other people make a copy and yes it a copy of your design, your now willing to make another run.

$hit I know I'll get thrashed, but I love to express my 1st amendment right

 

i believe the maker of the Alloy ones posts here as Alloy......

 

There has been "interest" in another production run - yes - and if the demand is there we have ALWAYS been willing - and happy to make more.

The last time I tried to set up a production run - the post I made violated the user agreement of ThirdGen.org - and it was deleted. Since then it has been difficult to get the word out about the product. I am not trying to make excuses, but for us to make these mounts - and to make a few bucks on them, as we are in business here, we need to make a production run of 20 sets - and sell them all, as the profit margin is pretty slim. If I were to make more - it would require extra cash outlay for "possible future sales" - and the demand is not high enough in my oppinion to justify the extra expenditure to make "stock parts" as there is still only limited demand for these mounts.

So - to make a long story short - if there are those who are willing to make similar pieces for little or no profit - there really is not alot I can do about it. If I wanted to stop this from happening I would have had to patent them - and this too costs money.

If we get 20 people willing to commit MONEY - we will do another production run. That has always been the deal.

I am not bashing SLP_GTA here - your statements are valid - but just remember - I am not "all of a sudden" willing to make more because of the copies that have showed up here - we have always been willing to make these pieces.

Nuff said.

 

Hunter Motorsports, what about your design is patentable?

 

www.alloyspecialties.com


Ed

 

I never consided that, I stand corrected Sorry if I came across wrong Karl

 

Hmmm...ive been following post about these strut mounts, and ive decided that they might be just what i want. I dont believe i have problems with my struts right now (air suspension) When i drop the front end, the struts do not bottom out, the car rests on the bumpstops before the strut bottom out. But they do come close to bottoming out. Also they'll look pretty trick sitting on either side of my 383!

 

I just received my Alloy Specialties strut mounts today. Excellent product and service. They didn't have a standard height set in stock but had them made and sent to me in little over a week. I highly recommend them.

 

Pics???

Ed

 

I don't have them installed yet. They look just like the ones pictured above. If you want a picture of a certain angle, let me know and I will snap a few.

 

Whoa! I never thought that one question I posted would generate this big a thread... Sorry for not keeping up with the thread but now that I was laid off I've been actively searching for employment -not hurting financially mind you- but it's weird looking for a new job when you're 38 and have been working for the same employer for 16 years... Anyway, the Alloy Specialties, the GSEI and Karl's products ALL have their merits and particular characteristics and appear to be top notch quality products... maybe I should get a pair from each and compare them uh?

 

Personally I'd rather have a set of the HMS version. In my opinion they just look better. For those of you waiting for him to make another production run add me to the list.

 

QUOTE]Originally posted by grafx
Personally I'd rather have a set of the HMS version. In my opinion they just look better. For those of you waiting for him to make another production run add me to the list. [/QUOTE]

I've been lurking on this site for some time now, and have read most of the stuff on the HMS and other mounts. I'm not sure what the flap was about the hms mounts, but I guess that's ancient history and none of my biz.

From reading Dewey316's and other's comments, and considering he paid $330 for non polished mounts with the ugly weld on on the top of the part verses the alloy specialties ones that are polished, and delivered for $350, there is no choice in my mind which ones to get. I also like the rounded top of the polished alloy specialties part verses the square look of the other two parts. Not to mention the one guy that got his alloy specialties stuff in a week verses how long for the hms?

Then there was the post that agood2.8 put up about his bearing being worn out already. (that post is gone now.....don't know why....new guy don't know much) I mean this guy only has his hms parts for a year or so and the bearing is shot. That makes me want to try another manufacture for that reason alone. I mean think about it, the alloy specialties parts are only 20 bones more polished and delivered. When I get some coin saved up I'm going to the a set.

Anyway, just an opinion of a new guy looking in from the outside.

You can now feel free to flame the new guy for voicing his opinion.

 

i got a chance to see the alloy specialties part in person a couple of weeks ago. it is a VERY nice peice. it also has an extra 1/4" of camber, which i would have needed, my HMS mounts are maxed out on neg camber on both sides, and i only get -0.3* i would have liked a little more. to get more camber i am going to have to cut some spring. i also like the radius on the alloy mounts, you can't see it in the pictures, but i saw them in person, the inside of mount is also radiused to match, it is a very trick peice.

no comment on the bearings, i have only had mine on for a couple of weeks now. luckily bearings are easily replaceable, if they go out, they go out, it is the nature of the beast. no bearing lasts forever. would be nice if the HMS ones came with a teflon lined bearing, maybe next round karl will add that.

 

I didn't know alloy specialties came with a better bearing vs. the HMS. Or that that they offered more adjustment. I'd like to see the alloy specialties strut mounts installed on a car. Any one have any pics??

 

Just a note to throw in about the original post (damn this post has sidetracked), Moog also makes strut mounts, available through Spohn.net. Just another option.

 

Got pics? Alloy Specialties, BTW:




NICE!!


Ed

 

Extremely nice. It's amazing what can be made these days with CNC technology, you gotta love it!

Steve

 

Guess I am back from the dead? Thought I was banned.

Anyways- The bearings that HMS put in are very good quality. I happen to be extremely hard on my vehicles- I don't baby them at all. The Camaro has a rock hard suspension - Average for race standards, but very, very solid for street use- It is not suprising that spherical bearings wear out on race cars all the time- why not my full weight street car? Aurora bearings are the best quailty money can buy- I just need the stronger race version which is very expensive. Aurora part # PNT-12T- but even this will be toast someday. (stock one is COM-12)

 

What about you Steve, you plan on offering your own version in the future????

 

No. We sell the OEM type replacements, of course they're not in this league, but not everyone wants to spend this kind of dough on strut mounts. The above mounts are for guys looking to take things to the next level, not everyone fits that category. It's always good to see new, well designed parts, most of the aftermarket has abandoned the 82-92 cars.

I've got a lot of projects started to take care of the rest of the front suspension (hint), that'll keep me busy in the R&D Dept. for quite awhile. We're just finishing up some more new stuff for LS1 swaps and Richmond 6 speed and 4L80E swaps.

To keep things on topic, my personal preference on something like this would be to have the top and the bottom of the mount TIG welded. Aluminum will fatigue with the slightest amount of joint flex. If I was building them, I would definitely weld the top and the bottom.

Steve

 

So two pieces of metal welded together are stronger than one solid piece? I'm not sure i get what you mean , isnt the alloy mounts one piece then welded into the base plate? The hms mounts two pieces welded together and then welded into the base?

 

he is saying he like the HMS and Alloy Specialties ones better than the other , that doesn't have both sides of the base welded.

 

Dewey is correct. None of these are one complete piece, that would be the ticket, but it's not very feasible or cost effective.

I was referring to the vertical tube to the horizontal base plate intersection/joints, best to weld that on the top and bottom of the base plate.

Just out of curiosity, what do these things weigh per pair?

Steve

 

i know these are more of a road race type part, but how well do you think they would hold up to fairly minor wheelstands on a drag car? think they'd bend the way the above did?

 

I am assuming that all 3 mounts are machined from 6061-T6 material. If you weld the top and bottom around the "can" you should have full penetration. This will eliminate the temper of the 6061 material making the heat effected zone 6061-T0. T0 has 1/3 the tensile strength of T6. By welding the top and bottom you have created a weak area. This is easily fixed by reheat treating the entire assembly. Is this the case for the ALLOY and HMS mounts?

 

steve, with the bearing in them, they are still VERY light, IIRC, the shipping wieght is something like 4lbs for the pair of them on the box.

 

never taken mine off, how does that compare to stock?

 

I just weighed the Alloy Specialties mounts that I have. They weigh in a 5.3 pounds for the pair.

 

Two questions... What are other brands available for stock strut mounts (Moog, TRW, KYB)? and With Eibach springs (part number 3801.140) and Tokico Illuminas what height strut mount would you go for, stock or medium?

 

i want some of those billets ones there r too many tho i duno which ones to get ahhhh

 

Definately get the "medium" height units- Here's an under shot of mine- Car is lowered with very stiff springs and a lightweight V6, but you'll see that there isn't much clearance if I had used the "stock" height units- Again, My car is not as heavy as most either because of the V6.

 

AGood2.8, About how much compression travel do you have before you bottom out? Couple of inches?? How much has it been lowered?

 

hey dean,

how do you like that baer bumpsteer kit? i had though about getting it, but descided to not lower the car any. but i am going to get the GC kit for my car, and will be needing a bump steer kit.

also, i have the medium version, my car is basicly stock height, and i was not able to get more than -0.3* with my HMS mounts. since you have 1" lower, you should be able to get a little more out of it. also, the Alloy Specialties mount, have extra neg camber adjustment build it. just something to keep in mind.

 

My car does not move when you bounce on the fender. The tires flex- thats it. If i where to hit a severe bump, many it would travel 1 1/2" max. I have about 3 1/2" clearance from strut top to strut mount. My car has never grounded out.

Take a look at the picture and you will see that I have room to move inward (negative camber) another 1" and would give me (at the geometry length I have from being lowered) another 1* easy- Right now I stand at about .8* neg for street use.

Car is lowered alot- how much from stock? who knows? Front fender lip sits at about 24" off the ground (16" rims/ 245-50-16's)

Dewey, All I can suggest is when you get everything set, check the geometry of the tierods- if they are changing through suspension travel, then you will need them- most likely not with a stock height car. The Baer kit in actuallity is not enough of a correction for the amount I am lowered. My only saving grace is that I don't have hardly any suspension travel due to stiffness so they work good for me. If I softened my spring rate and cause more travel compression, then I would still have bumpsteer.

Dean

 

you can push down with all your weight on my strut tower and the car doesnt go newhere thats with the hotchkis springs.

 

i am pretty sure he has much heavier than hotchis, IIRC he is runing 850# custom springs. i would be that hotchis in in the 650#-700# range.

 

i wasnt saying that he doesnt im sure he does i was just sayin mine do the same thing

 

Can the dust shields/boots be used with the billet strut mounts?... would you want to use them?

 

YES

you have to look closely, but you can see the dust boot up there.

 

....also, does the length of the spacer that connects the sway bar with lower A arm have to be lengthened or shortened at all if you lower your car with the Eibach springs and/or use the Spohn wonder bar? also, I hope you tightened that bolt on the sway bar bushing bracket!

 

That is tight. its been like that for years now, without problem, one of these days, i probably should remody that situation.