Why? Why? Why? Do you by chance have a ******? I admire your determination to modify this car into some other form, but why? I guess I am just a purest. Good luck on the batmobile man.....peace out

 

Have some tact dude. Just because you dont like it doesnt mean he or others dont.

Admire the time, work, effort put into it to be DIFFERENT.

 

I agree, it looks great. And i definetely respect the work involved. Id probably try to shave some more off of the rear end so as to shorten the car lose a little weight and make it look like an altered wheelbase car.


The front end looks Awesome!

 

Nice first post..... This board isn't like some of the other boards you may have been a member of. That stuff just doesn't fly here.

1983Fbody good work i admire the work, It's something different. And it's what you like so roll with it.

 

...and that's just one of the reasons why this board is so cool!

 

just asking why.....what no questions allowed here? Did I insult him? I think not. How many posts have I read that involved the acronym IMHO? I didn't even give an opinion. But thanks for putting words into my mouth, or my post in this case. Just curious why one would want to severly alter not enhance the looks of third gen. I am here because I like the third gen's lines and general appearance. Is there a thread here for the swap of a Ford engine? Just curious? Peace out.

 

2 headed babies are DIFFERENT, but you don't see people congratulating parents for having them.

 

finally A PERSON WITH SOME SENSE. And since i am already the bad guy, I now feel free to comment on that hillbilly work that you call fabrication. It is crude and untalented and I wonder if you need to see an optometrist.....Your trailer park neighbors should be envious. And oh yes, Joe Dirt called and he wants his hair back. Is there room for humor in anyone of these threads?

 

I like it...that doesn't mean I'm right because it's merely an opinion and an opinion is something which can be debated all day long as there is no factual basis to back it up. Just as I like it, it's cool if you don't. Your opinion is not what's bothersome -- it's your words. There are lots of people here who like/dislike it and have not yet commented.

Now that that's over: you're walking some really thin ice coming in here with all of 6 posts and writing absolute insults:

...hillbilly work...crude and untalented...Joe Dirt called...

It can be equally argued that your tact is all of "hillbilly, crude and untalented" as you seem to have this desire to insult someone else's work. When you come on here and post all of your varied accomplishments and show how everything you've ever done in your life was loved and adored by every single person in the world...then you MIGHT have the authority to state the things you just said. In short: shut up before you get banned. No one wants to hear it.

 

just my honest opinon......

 

That's cool. You're totally allowed to have it. I personally encourage it. Just...tact, man. For instace, Karps TA made a post which got the point through without being insulting.

 

I never said I liked his work, or disliked it. However, he has more skill and ***** then I do to even attempt something like If you dont like his work, suggest how he could make it better and improve it.

My background is the mini truck world, lots of stuff I liked, lots of stuff I disliked. I kept my mouth shut because I heard plenty of comments about my truck from both sides.

Everyone has different thoughts an opinions, you have a right to speak. But you need to say it tactfully otherwise your going to be put in with the "black sheep". But to late on that as you already have.

So, as someone else said, lets see some of your work before you get

 

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Actually and sadly, I do know some people that would. I sure wouldnt but for reasons we wont start discussing on here.

 

Hey Dale. Do you have a larger pic of your avatar that you could post in another thread or send to my email address. That is a wicked picture that would be cool to see enlarged

O yea by the way, that two headed baby analogy doesnt make any sense. *** and the parents of a two headed baby would love them just as much as a one headed baby. The fact that it is their baby makes them love it so much. No matter what the condition.

Just as 1983Fbody loves his baby. It's his car and he's turning it into something he views as awesome.

You cant tell someone that their baby is ugly or screwed up and expect that person to care. Anyone notice that 1983Fbody hasn't replied yet!

 

Probably cause he's searching the plumbing fixtures department for new door handles.

This car will be on Ebay in 4 years and linked to every message board where people will make jokes about it. Just cause someone has a welder, doesn't mean he has to use it. It might be something if it was done well, but from every picture this guy has shown it looks like a complete hack job. Not too mention it looks completely unsafe for the road.

 

Nooo, don't take my baby away! What would become of my rhedneck wet dreams?!

If I was going to sell on ebay all I'd have to do is put "carbon fiber" and "fast" in the listing. It would sell for the parts alone, body work aside. I could throw a couple electric turbos' or maybe a couple weed eaters on it and really make some profit!

Epoxy resin is a PITA to sand. I think my goal of being paintable by springtime is more of an optimistic goal. I could smear a bunch of bondo and paint it in a week, that would be a totally wrong way to go about things.

 

how much time and money do you have invested in your creation?

 

and Dale.....you do not security clearance to view my work. If you really want to see some of my work look at any of the Power Stroke diesel engines. Peace out.

 

Car 3,000
Crate engine 3,200
misc. bolt ons 1,000
tranny/rearend/brakes 2,500
cage/suspension/N20 1,500
guages/carbon fiber materials/exhaust 1,500
alum. water pump, radiator 600
wheels/tires 500
misc. stuff 2-3,000?

It sounds like a lot now that I add it up over the years, it's been an on going project pretty much since I bought the car when I turned 16. Even if I included the price of the engine that's going into the car this spring and the planned turbo next year, it's still less than the price of most new cars. Not too many new cars are capable of 200mph or 10's. That's the goal anyway, whether I have the time or money to finish it in the time frame doesn't matter, it's fun along the way.

New pic's... finally broke down and bought a new card reader for the digital camera.
CF/Kevlar hood "skin" it's still got the steel supports underneath. A lot lighter than the steel sheet metal!

Tearing the frontend back apart to put in aluminum supports instead of the 1x1 steel stuff. This will give me a chance to do things the way I should have done them the first time around. I plan on chopping the frame rails to just in front of the steering box and smoothing them out, fill holes and make them look better also plan on replacing the 1x1" steel bumper support with aluminum tubing and moving the strut tower supports back about a foot. You can see my high tech tubing bender (C clamps) in the pic. If any one has further interest I wrote more details in the fabrication forum "Can this be fabricated" thread. Happy Holidays!

 

 

Won't moving the strut tower affect suspension geometry, with the possibility of causing binding problems?

I just imagined it might since the shock would no longer be mounted directly over the a arm.

 

It could, I didn't move the location that far from factory though. I tried to replace the stock strut mounts one piece at a time with the tubing so the mounts themselves were always connected to the frame, rather than just cut the whole fenders out and then try to figure out where the mounts are supposed to go. Kinda like how people chop tops, weld in a bunch of bracing so the pieces dont move from the factory location when the top is cut off keeps the doors and door posts lined up.

 

i think you could take more off of the back when put on the vette lights.

(Unless your trying to save what miniscule amount of "trunk space" you have left.)


*i have a feeling ive already said this*

IMHO I think its one of the better custom jobs done on this chassis

 

Personally I would have attacked this project after spending ALOT of time researching the effects on the chassis and well as the suspension/steering geometry. You are doing some major modifications to the chassis. Calculating the effects as far as strength and geometry require some pretty hardcore mathematics and stuff. By the way you've responded to peoples questions it seems like you are doing things for their astetic value instead of functionality. I'm not saying this is true, or that you are a horrible person for trying, thats just what it seems like. I give credit where credit is due, not alot of people would even attempt to do these types of modifications so good job in those regards. But consider being more thorough in your research. You dont want to build yourself a death trap (no matter how cool it might look to the owner).

 

HOW'S THE PROJECT GOING?

 

....I'm intrigued.... - not the way I'm going about it, but still, good stuff. - I'm going full frame...bye bye unibody... I'm also going to retain the strut suspension, but I'm going coil-over.
- I'll post some pics of the set-up I did on my dad's 68 camaro drag car. - 3rdgen strut/spindle with coil-over conversion, mounted directly to the cage tube. - On his car we built adjustable lower control arms so alignment is done from there. The top is mounted via a 5/8 rod-end(heim-joint) - had to slightly grind strut O.D. - its been 5.12 @ 142 in the 1/8 on 7 cylinders...
Blowers are cool...

 

ANY NEW PIC'S????

 

i wanna see this car all painted with body work done .

 

Shagwell, I'd like to see pic's of that setup!

It's been awhile since an update on my project here, before that i'd like to thank tpi383 again for sharing those pics. I'm going to do something very similar to that only with larger diameter and thinner walled tubing. That should make it stiffer and still be light weight and for simplicity I'll use a thick plate of steel instead of individual mounts for each of the three strut mount bolts. I'd like to see some more pics of that camaro too, it's f'ing inspirational!

I have about 10,000 miles on my frontend work and it's proven to be plenty strong, I'd say it's probably more rigid than the stock fenderwells and "upper fender structure" or "crumple zone" more like the proper name. I really need to take some pic's instead of trying to describe this stuff! The body work is still pretty rough, tho it is getting closer to paint I doubt it will see primer this year unless it comes from a couple 99cent cans of flat black. The aluminum radiator/headlight/front bumper cover support is done, it's light looks good and is also very rigid. I may have to add a couple more rubber mounts between the alum. radiator support and the radiator because the alum. is far less forgiving material and I'm afraid it may tweak the radiator under hard cornering- a radiator is not a good way to connect frame rails!

 

Also in the process of replacing all poly/nylon bushings with rod ends as a result of reading "chassis engineering" and "how to make your car handle". The rear suspension is done, again need to take some newer pics to post. The panhard bar and lca's I made using 3/4" rod ends thick wall tubing and 3/4" bolts, while it's probably way overkill they might last longer than smaller rodends before needing replacement and the weight difference was only a couple of pounds compared to the jegster adj. panhard w/ poly and the boxed lca's from bmr. It was a pita to drill the mounting holes out to 3/4" everywhere and I may want to go back to smaller bolts eventually for weight savings, I guess drilled bolts would drop the weight as well at a higher cost, the reason for using such large bolts was: The tubing, bolts, and rod ends were supposed to be for a fourlink offroad truck setup which I decided were too light duty for what I wanted to do w/the truck 4link so they ended up being car suspension materials instead. The panhard bar w/rodends made a drastic improvement in not only handling, also in ride quality. The poly bushings might have been binding up. The lca's w/solid bushings didn't make any noticeable improvement. While working on the rear suspension I noticed the front lca mount on the body was pretty thin and probably flexing under hard use so I backed up both sides with steel plate and tied them into the subframe connecters. The pic's will show this better than I can explain.

Next suspension/chassis project is adding reinforcement to the profab a arms up front and converting the nylon bushings/steel sleeves to rod ends. The Nylon bushings/sleeves that profab provides do not fit properly and will either bind or have slop in them so I'm anxious to see what the rod ends will do up front. I'll also feel alot safer after strengthening the lower aarms and aarm mounts since REDRAIF had a profab aarm break on her car! In profabs defense, I beleive their aarms would be great for something like a drag car w/skinny tires or a daily driver that wont see the stresses of a road race type setup like I'm building for.
-Ben


That's about all I can think of for now, built a little tube grill out of aluminum which might be called RRR-icy, haven't painted any of the new suspension parts yet, getting a pretty rust color underneath as well since I haven't wirebrushed/undercoated the car in a couple of years now. Can't wait to get some new pic's up!

 

Just noticed that I said "moving back the strut mount a foot" I should have said that I was moving tubing.

Here's the latest pics..

 

I know I'm bring this back from the dead, But is there any progress?

 

PICTURES!!!

 

Hella, while I may not do this myself I am curious as to the outcome. When people diss your stuff they are usually A.jealous B. Think they can do better (usually wrong in most cases.

 

do you have any videos of the rs camaro?