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Old Jun 28, 2008 | 10:20 PM
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A-arm reinforcements done!!!

I went with polyurethane bushings in my a-arms for now since my OEM rubber bushings where shoot. I plan on going with some DEL-A-LUM bushings sometime soon, but for now to keep the a- arms from twisting with the "no deflection" polyurethane bushings i reinforced them.

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Now a few of my buddies want some, lucky for them i made a templet and have access to a water jet so i consider these a rough draft so far
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Old Jun 28, 2008 | 11:27 PM
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Re: A-arm reinforcements done!!!

just out of curiosity. why didn't you just box the a-arms?
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Old Jun 28, 2008 | 11:44 PM
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Re: A-arm reinforcements done!!!

Added wight.
Endlink interference.
Cant use a spring compressor.
Chance wrapping the arms when welding.
Boxing just doesn't look that cool when im under there swapping or changing things
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Old Jun 29, 2008 | 09:23 AM
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nice job looks good. notice any difference yet?
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Old Jun 29, 2008 | 09:26 AM
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Re: A-arm reinforcements done!!!

About how much weight does it add? I may want to strengthen up mine myself. About 3/16" steel?
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Old Jun 29, 2008 | 02:53 PM
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Re: A-arm reinforcements done!!!

Originally Posted by 89_ho_rs
nice job looks good. notice any difference yet?
thanks! i havent took it out yet to see
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About how much weight does it add? I may want to strengthen up mine myself. About 3/16" steel?
id say under a pound for each side, i used 14ga or 12ga all have to look though

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Old Jun 29, 2008 | 08:26 PM
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Re: A-arm reinforcements done!!!

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3/16" steel?
Whoa i just read that way to thic! i just looked to see what it was i used it was 12ga
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Old Jun 30, 2008 | 05:06 PM
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Re: A-arm reinforcements done!!!

Everything I've read has said the the factory A-arms were perfectly strong, but obviously they're heavy, which is why serious racers upgrade to tubular.

Weight, not strength.

.....regardless, they look nice.
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Old Jul 1, 2008 | 01:16 AM
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Re: A-arm reinforcements done!!!

I would also like to know if it feels any stiffer. I autocross so I put the car under a lot of strain and I figured doing something like that is a lot more cost efficient than buying tubular A-arms. Any chance you would be willing to share the template?

Mike
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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 10:47 AM
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Re: A-arm reinforcements done!!!

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Everything I've read has said the the factory A-arms were perfectly strong, but obviously they're heavy, which is why serious racers upgrade to tubular.

Weight, not strength.

.....regardless, they look nice.
They are strong but when you add a bushing that has no deflation then somethings going to twist or flex and most likely its going to be the factory a-arm. i really don't understand why people think that the factory a-arms are heavy, they are not there are no real wight savings to be had when switching to tubular
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Old Jul 4, 2008 | 01:03 AM
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Re: A-arm reinforcements done!!!

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I would also like to know if it feels any stiffer. I autocross so I put the car under a lot of strain and I figured doing something like that is a lot more cost efficient than buying tubular A-arms. Any chance you would be willing to share the template?

Mike
sure just shoot me a PM with your email, i have to find a scanner....
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Old Jul 4, 2008 | 10:35 AM
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Re: A-arm reinforcements done!!!

got measurements you can post? Or just post the templates. I'm sure many many many many others will want to see it
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Old Jul 4, 2008 | 11:20 AM
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Re: A-arm reinforcements done!!!

I don't really see any benefit. I have never seen an a-arm "break". I would have just gone with tubulars, less weight and stronger then stock.
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Old Jul 4, 2008 | 08:43 PM
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Re: A-arm reinforcements done!!!

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and stronger then stock.
Doubtful.
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Old Jul 15, 2008 | 01:54 PM
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Re: A-arm reinforcements done!!!

My friend down the street said usually it is the area around the ball joint where you really want to reinforce. This is the area where they fail, usually from worn out balljoints, then the holes deform then they break. I have also read reinforcing is the way to go. Honestly I dont neseccarily trust the design of the aftermarket arms out there.
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Old Jul 15, 2008 | 07:34 PM
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Re: A-arm reinforcements done!!!

i would love the templates as well. i was thinking of doing that as well. i dont like the tubulars iheard stock were fine but ive made my own subframes, LCA's and panhard rod... and ive had good luck so far and its a A$$ load cheaper! i posted my demensions on the fabrication section awhile back.
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Old Jul 16, 2008 | 02:29 AM
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Re: A-arm reinforcements done!!!

You guys can make your own temples very easy by just cutting cardbard into place. Would literally take you 10 mins at most.Reinforce the ears so that the bushings do not collapse the walls when pressed out and in.Reinforce the underneath of the arm between the spring pockket and the balljoint where the most force leverage take place to help prevent twisting flex.I did mine just like this about 3 years ago. You'll find a picture of them on this cardomain page I did a few years back.http://www.cardomain.com/ride/518752/6
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Old Jul 16, 2008 | 02:57 AM
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Re: A-arm reinforcements done!!!

ive seen ppl box the entire arm. looks good i kno i could make my own template but i want to kno where to put it to make it stronger wit less material so i dont add too much weight/warp it.

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Old Jul 16, 2008 | 12:45 PM
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Re: A-arm reinforcements done!!!

I built the entire setup custom for about $2500 roughly if I recall correctly. That included custom CMC machined Aluminum roadrace hubs that are rated for a 4000lb g-body car. They are Wilwood radial mounted 6 piston calipers and 13" rotors up front. It all fits under the factory 16" IROC wheels. Very light weight also.As for bracing the A-arms, so far the plating I did hasn't hurt things and I have put this car though abuse for about 3 years now with the a-arms plated. No cracked welds, no cracked arms, everything solid. Brakes as well, I safety wired everything and the car was used daily. It has held up excelent.I see cornering loads greater than most street cars and better than alot of race cars. I have posted many times this car pulls 1.07g's on street tires (skid pad results- not gtech handheald scanner results that can spike flase readings) and has done a 60-0 in 102ft. Is this a result of the a-arms welded- its the whole package. I do not have one single weak link on this car. It is all the work combined that yeilds the results. I have 4 lateral chassis braces up front alone.
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Old Jul 16, 2008 | 02:27 PM
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Re: A-arm reinforcements done!!!

nice! can u post pics of the lateral chassis braces in the front? i have the wonderbar and im making a strut tower brace from 1.34x.134 mild steel roll bar tubing. i also have custom thru floor subframes everythings in my sig. where did u put the lateral chassis braces? pics would be greatly appreciated
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Old Jul 17, 2008 | 09:07 PM
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Re: A-arm reinforcements done!!!

Originally Posted by blyth18md
Doubtful.
Why do you say that?
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Old Jul 18, 2008 | 04:00 PM
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Re: A-arm reinforcements done!!!

idk either tho... i wouldnt get tubular front Aarms either tho... its the same idea as the stock crossmember... the tubular K members are said to be not as strong as stock... due to the fact that they dont flex like a stocker. which is means they tend to fail on a daily driver due to car flexing, potholes, etc.... now sumppl will say they have never seen one fail and that they are fine for the street and thats really up to u. i wouldnt put a tubular kmember on my car since it will be a daily driver same with the lower control arms.
they are lighter and more rigid, kmemebers/arms which would be good for track use and more more clearance wit the kemeber for headers etc

i just wouldnt do it for my car. as blyth18md said "doubtful" i would think the stockers where stronger as well since they will flex under load where as the tubular would just break. could be wat he meant
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Old Jul 18, 2008 | 10:21 PM
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Re: A-arm reinforcements done!!!

Fueled Soul, off topic, what are you using for tie rods and sleeves?
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Old Jul 19, 2008 | 03:10 AM
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Edelbrock adjustable sleeves,
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