91rs4life

why couldn't my 6 look that nice? P.S the silver bullet is my 6. and another thing I want to ask ya'll but, I don't want to tie up the thread. I have an 87 sport coupe (base model) with a 2.8L. Now the wierd thing about this car is it has an air induction system from 88. (the split dual air ram snorkel thing. 2 air filters. the same one you would find on an IROC.) not just the induction that runs behind the headlight. anywho. I was talking to my friend that works at the dealer and he was telling me that my car is a very rare breed. It is equipped with the LT package. He said that in 87 they only made about 800 of them nationwide. He couldn't show me any proof so I was wondering if this was true. is an 87 camaro LT a rare car? This would explain alot as to why people always think I put that little LT emblem on it. They all say they've never seen it before. and one more thing. Is it a good thing it's rare, or a bad thing. like if they only made 800 because it was a piece of crap. that would be bad. I am pondering hanging onto it if it is worth hanging on to.

91rs4life

here are some pics

91rs4life

front

91rs4life

side. see the little LT emblem behind the window?

ShiftyCapone

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A 40 over 350 is a 357 and a 30 over 350 is a 355.

91rs4life

okay. I thought 60 over was a 355. I really need a refresher on math formulas. thanx shifty.

TonyC

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No such thing as stiochiometric pressure. Stiochiometric ratio is the perfect mixture of oxygen and hydrocarbon molecules for combustion which is 14.7:1 by mass. This is where each reactant has one corresponding reactant to bond with. lower than 14.7:1 and you have fuel in excess (running fat) higher than 14.7:1, oxygen is in excess (running lean). Atmospheric Pressure (the pressure of the air around us) is a function of altitude and temperature, the accepted value for 1 atmosphere of pressure is 1 atm, 760 mmHg, or 14.7 psi, it's not a ratio, it's an absolute. I'm not sure where you got the 15:1, but if it means that the atmospheric pressure is 15 psi at sea level, the accepted value is 14.7 psi, it varies by temp and other factors like weather fronts.

Tony

Pablo

iTrader: (1)

Oh yeah thats a keeper, definately want to hang on to that. Might want to preserve it though, best way to do that is to put it up on cinder blocks and cover it with a tarp. Oughta get a few dirty mutts for the yard too to protect it from would be theives. Those are real hot on the black market right now.

kevm14

I think that theory applies more to low RPM, where you need the velocity to fill the cylinders, for maximum torque. It does NOT work when maximum CFM is needed (for max high RPM torque, i.e. HP).

That's like saying if you turn on a garden hose, then cover most of the opening with your thumb and the water sprays 15 feet, isn't that more flow than when it was flowing about 1 foot out of the hose...no, it's not.

kevm14

93-95 F-body LT1 is 275hp AT THE FLYWHEEL. The valves are normal 350 size, which isn't small at all, because LT1 heads flow so well. LT1 intakes, also, are a short runner single plane design and they flow EXTREMELY well. We're talking 450+ HP on the same intake that GM slapped on the car at the factory. And the exhaust manifolds are also very decent. Way better than any TBI manifold.

For reference, to nail this point home, an LT1 with an LT4 HOTCAM and nothing else, pushed a 96 Caprice 9C1 (4200lbs) to 103.22mph in the 1/4 mile with the stock 3.08 rear and a T56. The only modification to the engine, again, is the cam (and valvesprings and rocker arms, LT4 uses 1.6s).

91rs4life

you know what I meant. can you do that with gravity, g-force centrifugal force and leverage?

I'll get you started:
Newton's first law of gravity
An object put into motion will stay in motion until otherwise acted upon by an outside force such as gravity. For instance, if any given object is thrown from a body, it will continue in a straight forward line away from the body until the earth's gravitational pull brings it down to the earth's surface. Hence the earth's gravitational pull is the interference.

I'll give you a hint on the second law. it has to do with the planets shape.:P

91rs4life

y'know what I'm starting another thread. this poor guy is talking about v6's and we got everybody and their brother in here flexing their nuts. the name of the thread will be..."flex your nuts here" If anyone wants to fight or argue, go there and leave this thread alone unless you have some pointers for this guy for his 6.

614Streets

The 2.8 is in as of 1 hour ago.

TonyC

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That's going to be a sick V6 man, nice. Let us know how the Techedge WBO2 works out, I'm in the market for one.

Good Luck
Tony

ShiftyCapone

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The second law has nothing to do with the planets shape. Planet orbit, yes. Shape no. Gravity is only one small factor in motion. Gravity is everywhere, even in the cold depths of space. Nothing excapes it. Air resistance, friction, and a million other factors will slow a body in motion. Gravity is only a small portion of forces acted upon a body in motion.

91rs4life

...so can anyone tell me if the LT is rare?

92rsv8

WHAT THE PUCK...:lala:

nick harmon

okay, if an LT isnt rare, what about a 2.8 t-5 ZF model.only seen and rode in one myself. never seen nor heard of one since. believe it was an 86

Pablo

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WHO CARES ITS A FRIGGIN 6 BANGER POS JUST LIKE 69 camaros had 6 bangers and NO ONE GIVES A RATS *** ABOUT THEM people will give LESS of a rats *** about a thirdgen with a six banger, hell, even v8 thirdgens are rediculously worthless. Open up the latest issue of auto trader and see how they are going for pennies on the dollar while similarly equipped 240 sx's and the like are worth twice as much.

nick harmon

knew that already! has anyone seen or heard of them or not?!

91rs4life

So what are you saying pablo? you don't care? LOL.

No but really, like nick said. Are these cars rare?

TonyC

iTrader: (1)

https://www.thirdgen.org/tech/techdb.shtml

91rs4life

wow. if I read that right my guy was telling the truth. 83,890 total production in which only 794 were given an LT package. well that shuts me up. thanx tony.

va454ss

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After all of that, to answer the original question..............

No, you will not be the fastest TBI on here!

91rs4life

this is true. My TBI is a nicely built 357. just has a few kinks i need to work out. to be more accurate, I think you should've named the post, the fastest v6. and that would actually have to be done in the v6 forum. Unless you are using a TBI unit and not MFI. and if that's the case, I don't think you'll be the fastest because my MFI v6 has been converted to what I call a 3.3L stroker. Don't know if that's what you'd really call it but, who cares. I am only pushing about 170 Hp. and obviously an MFI is a little better at fuel response than a TBI because of it's direct metered injection or whatever. And since i sound like a moron now and my point is about as sharp as a marble, I will stop typing so some of the jackyl's in the thread can start doing what they do best. Call me an idiot and a liar and blah blah blah it's all been said before and I'm putting in my earplugs. But, to answer your question," fastest TBI on here going to be me?" no. A good v8 TBI will always beat a good v6 TBI.

okay jackyls and hecklers, do your thing.

Dewey316

your forgetting that he is pushing air into his motor via a very large pump. that makes up for alot.

he isn't going to be the fastest v6, the TTA's are going to take that crown, there are many of them that run 10's and 11's all day long.

as for TBI, you guys are forgeting that the blower and TBI isn't all that novel of an idea, its been done before many times. Kingstal0n did it on a 355 and got 500hp from it, using a holley 900cfm unit. he was also able to get 22mpg from that setup.

also, qwktrip had a blown 468 big block in his bird, that had holley pro-jection on it for a while, but he couldn't get injectors to flow what the engine was capable up. that was easily a 700hp setup.

in reality non of the N/A TBI stuff is going touch the power adder guys.

nick harmon

LMFAO!!!!

91rs4life

it's true. i'm surprised dewey up there didn't give a quip. maybe I was wrong about him. And looking at his post...he's got a point. the kid is throwing an air pump on. I still say throw the same technology on a v8 and there ya go. v6 will not be the fastest TBI. And I know someone here has a nice TBI v8. There's got to be one person. I would say it's my coolness-mobile but, the chrome thermostat housing only gives it an extra 10 horses...so...Maybe if i add a more aerodynamic gas cap I'll pull 9's.....where am i?

Dewey316

i gave 2 examples of the same stuff on a v8, both small block and big block. those power numbers are not likely going to happen with a 2bbl TBI unit, and fueling that much power would be a big ussue. but with enough time and work, it is doable. come the end of january, expect dyno results of a cerca 300hp N/A TBI 305.

91rs4life

Never say never whatever you do. don't underestimate the underdogs.

Dewey316

never is never, given equal settings, a power adder wins. yes with enough work you can get power from an N/A motor, but to get the power levels of turbocharged/turbocharged engines it will become so undrivable it is going to be crazy.

91rs4life

so then what is he using if not a 2 or 4 barrel TBI? Cause to be honest with you, looking at those pics, that doesn't look like thirdgen criteria. it's looks like a truck. so why is he posting here? You're one of the people that jumped down my throat in another forum telling me about breaking rules and thread locks or whatever. So tell me why this one shouldn't be locked? He is not building a thirdgen and this is supposed to be a thirdgen site.

91rs4life

they also said they couldn't make a small block 427. Read any Hot Rod lately?

someone also told me I couldn't jam a 500 cadillac motor into a chevette when I was 18. I did it. I took pictures. 3 yrs. later hot rod did it but, they did it better than I...because they're hot rod.

Dewey316

when i got on your for you postings, it was because a) they were completely NON tech b) inaproprate or c) you could have easy done a quick search and found your answer.

never did i single you out. do a search for my username, read ALL 2500 posts. see how many of them are telling people to search for something. or that their post in inaproprate.

this post was probably not locked, because it had quite a bit of thirdgen tech in it, until you kept trying to swing this into a thread about moderation, and how unfairly you feel you have been treated.

i am not a moderator, so why this thread is still open, is their call, not mine, but there was quite a bit of legitement thirdgen tech in here at one point.

i really take offense to you singling me out by name, about he way that you feel you have been treated. after you have been here for years, and have 2000+ posts under your belt. maybe you will understand why us long timers dislike answering the same questions over and over and over, and why we don't like reading crap with newbies complaining about everything. it isn't becuase we don't care, and it isn't because we don't want to help. it is because we have already answered that question or dealt with that issue dozens of times before.

i reply to those thread usualy with an answer, or a link to an answer, along with a request that in the future the person do a search. i do this so people at least get a reply, and don't muck up the forum even more because they didn't get an answer to the question. remeber everyone here is on this board to help you and others. i am not here for help with my car very often, i come here help people out, and answer questions. if you really don't want my response to anything anymore, just say so, i will not even bother to read your threads, or respond. all you have to do is ask.

91rs4life

What am I supposed to think when you say I am on your "TOOL" list?

Dewey316

give it a day, then re-read what you posted. then ask me that question again.

nick harmon

people just want a little help, and although the senior members may get tired of the same questions, there is still no need to make any downgrading remarks. after all the seniors were once newbies too.

91rs4life

not dewey. he was born with 4 wheel disc brakes and a keyboard in front of his nose. Dude I won't re-read anything. you basically said you thought I was a dumbass. good guidance technique. I'd love to see how you've helped out the other 2000 people you so brag about.

nick harmon

i have to say that he has helped me, and been pretty curtious also.

Dewey316

no i wasn't at all, i had ZERO mechanical experiance when i bought my camaro, but lots of learning, lots of reading, lots of LISTENING to people, i have learned alot. read some of my first posts, i knew almost NOTHING.

and Nick, i know people need help, but you also have to understand 95% of your questions can easily be answered by searching. if you still have questions, post your question, with a link the the post you read on your search, and ask for clarification on the exact question.

you are never going to get an answer to a question that is very general, like 'what can i do to make my car run 12's'

but if you say

' i am looking at XYZ brand heads, with XYZ intake, to use on my new GM crate ZZ4 shortblock. i have talked to comp cams, and they recomneded grind ABC, crane told me to use their grind, PDQ. which cam would you guys recomend. also is there any other cam you think would work better with my combo.

BTW, can i hit 12's with build-up, assuming i have descent traction '

a question like that will get you answers. because it is specific, to the point, and you gave all the details needed for people to answer you question.

ShiftyCapone

iTrader: (7)

I am one. Dewey and I have helped each other out quit a few times and we still had time to help someones else out in the meantime.

Dewey316

yes shifty has answered many of my questions. the diffrence is when we disagree we discuss things, we state facts, and we eventualy reach and agreement on things. that goes for many other people on this board, there are MANY of us who would be in real trouble with Jon Prevost. he has done a lot of the TBI community with his computer work. and his is one of the people you named by name in your other post on the forum suggestion board. count yourself lucky to even be able to read the tons of research that jon has put into our cars.

nick harmon

im sorry, but when you are at work somwtimes it is best to just post the question and come back later, so as to not have the boss breathing up your ****.

92rsv8

whats the whole point of this??? there are freakin neons running 10's that are all motor and no nos!!! 3 liter turboed supras are runnin 8's easy in the quarter but these are not daily drivers they are race only running like 20-30 psi the fastest honda right now is the aem civic owned by stephen papadakis the super dweeb!!! he runs in the 6's with a turboed civic but like i said these are race only cars i doubt you could get a 7 sec tbi unless you built the engine for race only and cranked the boost a bunch.

nick harmon

we should just drop this crap, because we hi-jacked this post like a whole page ago.

92rsv8

i feel like i am back on my 300zx website!!!! has it come to this???
we always got the infamous can i convert my na to a tt...
aaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh................................... stop the insanity everyone ends up rubbing people the wrong way at some point so just drop it already! i everynow and then get a rude comment but who cares!!! i seach the posts all the times and sometimes i come up empty handed and others i get good info!!!
i have a bunch of printed info from this site witrh good info. if you have a question that you don't know pm me and i'll see if i can help you. i may not know the answer but i can find it for you!!!

91rs4life

then understand this dewey. I have been at this whole mechanic thing for 7 yrs. now. hardly a journeyman. I know how to be a good mechanic (always when touching other peoples cars.) and I know how to be a butcher (usually with my own cause it gets overwhelming sometime) My problem with you, and it's not that big, is the whole tool remark. I hate that crap. i'm still kind of new to this site. I'm getting threads locked and people are making unecessary statements. tell me you wouldn't look a little insane. Anyhow I have taken my moderator concerns to the suggestions and comments board. it shouldn't be a problem in there. that is a non-tech forum. so you won't be hearing any of that crap from me anymore.

It's like when I asked how to program an eprom. I was told to look it up in DIY PROM. Now I know how to do it. I learned because the person that guided me didn't tell me i was on their tool list. and maybe I was acting like a tool but nobody told me to take it to the suggestions and comments boards I found it myself... aw hell forget about it. I give up.

Dewey316

once again, the reason you got the response you did, is because i for one am not going to take the time to type out how to program and tune a car, in one thread, that would be WAY too long, and there is still alot i am learing about tuning. and most of it i have learned from just doing it, and recording the results for small changes i make. there is so much information in the just the stickys on the diy prom board, that there is weeks of reading right there.

once again, if you had a specific question about modifing your 2nd VE table, and how it effects something, you would have gotten an answer on that. but just a general question like that, you will get ingnored, or a simple response, of do a search, or check the diy board.

as for the tool comment, it was out of line. i will admit, that i should be better than to say something like that.

as for your getting threads locked. if you read hte user agreement, it specificly states what threads they will lock. the ones that got locked/deleted that is saw CLEARLY broke that agreement. as a newbie it is YOUR responsibilty to read the agreement, and to follow it. if you don't your threads will be locked. it is also the nature of the internet forum, that when you post something that people know will be locked, they are going to comment. and most of them are not what you are going to want to hear.

614Streets

WOW Lots of strong emotions in this one , I want to be real clear hear because some of you are throwing out pure assumptions.

The Truck is an s-10 , and no it is not a third gen.

#2 The truck used to be just a vin r 1992 s10 that ran mid 17's in the 1/4.

#3 It used to run a puny factory rochester tbi.

#4 it used to run a 747 oem ecu(still does for controlling what the holley commander does not.

#5 The truck went through a couple bolt ons including an Edelbrock TES , Holley 400 cfm tbi , a 2030 compu cam , and kit #5153 NOS

#6 This isnt about being the fastest V6! This post was not about being the fastest thing in the world(go home import boy flamer).

#7 This post is about a 2.8 v6 (found in third gens) , a tbi system(found in thirdgens) , 7.5" differential(found in third gens) , T-5(found in third gens).

#8 If you seriously dont see how this post could end up being potential information and not a post to flame then you are S T U P I D.

#9 I am for the freaking record , running a 670 cfm two barrel TBI ! with a commander 950 , with a 5153 Nos kit, With a model specific Fageol Super Charger , with a crane 272 cam , etc etc etc.

#10 Cool my supercharger just arrived UPS.

nick harmon

well, im glad you got your post back.