Wow the king of assumtion. Guy chill the fly out. Your way off base.:lala:

 

Oh one more thing. Let me disect the meaning to the title of the thread(for the not so obvious minded).
"Fastest tbi on here going to be me?"

I like this forums tbi section because the wealth of support, figures, and testing done on the gm tbi system. For all I care this section is like a haven for evn non third gen tbi people , theres just to many neat (folk) attempts here to ignore it as something other than pure hot rodding.

Look when I registered and look at my post count.

So the meaning of the title was meant to draw in the big players of the tbi niche so I could maybe see how others were making out with their cars performance. Yes I have used search, yes I was liking King talons 355(neat) .

I figured since Im already up against the wall with a 2.8 , and then compound that with a unpopular induction system (tbi) compared to mpfi and sfi which lead the way in high dollor high horse power applications, that well, maybe I would spark some positive attention and thus we as a community could learn from it perhaps? I've taken good note of the 1 real big positive post in here(avitar with the finger in the nose). I am not on another level and this thing isnt fake , and wont be 1/4 tested by g-tech(you know who Im talking about).

 

are you talking about the guy with the carb, thats on the tbi board?

 

Depends, I guess, yeah KingTal0n made a buttload of horsepower, but it was on a 4 barrel (definately an accomplishment, I can't knock this at all). I suppose in the end it doesn't really matter, you have an extremely bad@ss truck. Run it and let us know how it goes.

Good Luck
Tony

 

Fastest 2 bbl, I think, is ZRated who went 12.9 on stock heads/cam with nitrous. While that itself was a great accomplishment, its kinda sad in the grand scheme of things that its our fastest (our being the board, I'll assume there are faster guys out there that have no idea what thirdgen.org is).

Hopefully when us heads/cam guys start getting our acts together we'll see some solid times n/a and then we'll be sprayin' In my vain attempt to make a car that doesnt suck I finally broke down and bought a 670, we'll see what happens when it goes on and I get my body fixed from my little break-in incident. Im expecting good things with the larger injectors, more air and the fuel pump from hell.

 

WHATZ YOUR PROBLEM 614...i was not spun up until now i simply said this sounded like the crap we used to hear on the 300zx site. i now own an rs and i would like to have a fast tbi . i wasn't assuming anything in my post about how fast cars are i was stating a fact not an assumption. i have seen these cars go that fast neons are not imports! i like to find out info about all cars so i know what the other guys are doing!!! i read on here while doing a search how all the v6 guys were talking smack about the lo3!!! it was so funny because they were soooo s tupid! these guys are braggin about 17's most freakin stcok 4 cylder hondas run 16's come on those numbers are worthless.
the stock lo3 5 spd test was a 15.9 1/4 mile and that is with 3.08 gears not the 2.73 like the auto had.
i have done quite a few mods to mine and i have noticed a big diffrence in power. i have a friend with an 89 iroc auto tpi and he has headers and an exhaust and thatz it and i can smoke him but i don't know what kind of results i have but if it's anything like most of the track times i have seen they won't be impressive.
what kind of goals do you want i may have forgotten if you posted them already and i don't have time to scrolll up and read them all. if you want the fastest tbi it probobly won't be a great daily driver. i am sorry you think i was spun up yesterday but i have seen these kind of posts a million times so don't tell me to go back to my import sites. i have made great progress on my car and i am interested in helping people with ideas. like i said b4 i don't know everything but i do a thourough(sp) job searching.
they had an 11 sec tbi camaro in a mag a couplke months back i can't remember which one but i think it was a light blue one with a 3 inch hood, i also think it had like a 383 or 355???
you have to remember too alot of people out there don't even use the net. i think the guy with the supercharged tbi 3rd gen never posts on here. i saw his car last year when i first got on this site it was ok. he said i think it only runs 14's??? i may be wrong though.

 

Alright 92rsv8 good post, you have reedeemed yourself as a humble person. On the real buddy , I dont intend to be the fastest tbi (insert car/truck name ).

12.9 from ZRated huh Chuck. Ok looks like Ive got my work cut out for me.

 

i'm still thinkign qwktrip takes the cake for TBI motors....

 

3 letters... w o w

 

WOW! .... that man IS the DEVIL

 

http://614streets.com/rebuiltkf.jpg

 

Zrated, ran a 12.8, get it right, lol jk. You guys need to quit your jabbin and compliment the man on his sweet v6 tbi. We need more fast tbi's, plain and simple.

 

we jab while he builds...helps keep the thread on top of the rest. easier to find that way. LOL He IS the DEVIL too. Good Luck man. It's gonna be tough to beat 12.8 but, you have my blessing. Looks real nice.

 

that looks like one hell of v6. i feel sorry for alot of unsuspecting v8s. i wonder if it will still go, potata, potata, potata?j/k

 

lol nice jab, this is for those who agree

while ive been off outside of the united states and all over the place doing alot of things you dont know or appreciate you all have had years, literally three years in that time span to get a number of timeslips, real mods, any kind of data or real world experience doing the things you bench race about all day on this forum. Yet, the overwhelming majority have maybe two or three timeslips, no data whatsoever. In a grand total of about three visits to my car in the past three years, probably totalling about 45 days ive managed to get probably around 10 dragstrip runs at the nearest dragstrip to my home (150 miles each direction) perform a plethora of mods, from milling cyl heads, installing rr's, changing axle shafts, lcas, torque arm mods, lca relocators, airbags, wide band o2 install and data aquisition, extremely consistent tuning measurements (gtech competition) and several other modifications which I wont go into detail about.

What do you have to show for the last three years? I can probably count posts with any real progress or mods on my fingers, might need a toe or two.

Keep on truckin... let me know when you get timeslips because so far its just hot air. Ive dealt with countless hecklers that can criticize all day yet dont have anything to show for themselves but "they will", usually followed by some qualifiiers that sound like "if" or "when".

Im still waiting.

P.S. ill be reunited permanently
(after three years) with my car in probably three days. Tell you what, give me another 45 days and any of you naysayers can come out and race me with your smokin hot TBI setups.
Carlsbad raceway (carlsbad california) should be open. Saturdays starting at 11:00 am

See ya there.

 

Thought you said the track was just too far away for you? All you had were g tech times if I recall.

 

From miami florida the nearest track is 150 miles away
from camp pendleton california the nearest track is 15 minutes away

I live in camp pendleton california now

My home town is in Miami florida

In the three years since I lived "at home" ive lived in a bunch of places that have not afforded me the opportunity to have a car.

Do You Understand Now?

Thank You.

And all you recall are Gtech times because If I recall you havent been here but maybe a couple months whereas I am speaking of a time period far longer than you have been an active member in the thirdgen community. Simple sentence comprehension here: 3 years, 3 times in those three years, only one time recently. Grand total, less than 45 days. Thanks for your support.

 

excuse me p but some of us are military as well i have been in for 8 i have been all over the place. so don't jump to conclusions!

 

Build it, tune it, put in a couple runs to establish your 1/4 mile times and you will have answered your own question.
Let us know when you do that.
What is your time-table?
S-D

 

Depending on parts due to arrive its possible it will be up and running next weekend.

 

hell yeah!

 

i want a video of you roasting the meats out back

with sound so i can hear the sweet sweet sound of the blower whine

 

Well, I'm not going to be a jeckle (sp?) or anything like that, but I am going to have to say people REALLY need to quit being incredibly negative when it comes to arguing a point. TGO is a tech board, and arguing a point is not only uncommon but expected. Just do it civily guys, will ya? It's the stupid name calling and finger pointing that they created that little 'pad lock' symbol for. Just my $.02

Now, on to the actual thread, It's good to see that the TBI guys are actually getting somewhere. I've finally built up the confidence to do the ultimate TBI mods to my car...just need to find the time now! I find it interesting, that with ONLY a flowmaster 40 series muffler and the ARIZONA climate (ran it in March) I was able to get a 15.3@87mph out of her. None of my friends would have believed me but lucky for me they all decedied to come on that night. :rockon:

Bruce (90RS305)

 

Jimany X-Mas!! I didn't realize there was a second page! Oops! Ok, just, act like my post is somewhere in the middle of this thread!

Bruce (90RS305)

 

I would love to see some time slips myself. Good Luck

 

Cool. Don't bang on the fresh engine too hard. It sounds (and looks- nice photo) like a top notch build up so I'd imagine you'll take it easy on it for a while during break in.
Let us know the results and best of luck with your project.
It looks like it will whoop azz.

S-D

 

 

 

sorry, double post....

 

Ivanna Popov?
Nice work-
S-D

 

mmm...monkeys......

 

The Fageol supercharger kit made for the Iron head 2.8 v6 has a low profile manifold that allows it to clear stock hoods. Because of this the manifold has no provision for any pop off plate whatsoever. Being the the 60 degree v6 is so narrow , this manifold is already extended in its design to allow for the long and narrow extruded max 25 Fageol supercharger and therefore the front features the thermostat mount as well as three thermocouple bosses for various sensors.

The manifold also features a 50 state legal egr passage system which runs under the plenum area. Because of these features no extra space is available anywhere for a pop off. Under the normal usage of the supercharger kit a pop off is not nessesary. Reasons for this include the serpentine belt slipping if a backfire were to occour and moderate boost levels.

In my circumstance the supercharger will be run at higher boost levels and will also be aided with the wet 5153 tbi nos nitrous system.

I felt it nessesary to provide a escape path for the air to travel in the event that a backfire should occour. The smallest BDS backfire plate kit part number BDS-8026AK was aquired from Good Vibrations Motorsports in Whittier Califorina(1-562-945-7669) www.dragparts.com .

The fortal and 6061 aluminum used for the project was aquired from WWW.EBAY.COM and from sellers sciparts and speedymetals. The fortal bar just happened to be the right sized scrap which I had actually purchased for the Novas front and rear resevior Wet intercooler project , but oddly it ended up being just right to pursue the project.

The other aluminum I used was 6061 1/4" thick.

I first had the grueling task of cutting through the solid fortal slab with non other than a drill press to initiate the saw entry , then finished of with a skillsaw as well as a sawzall. Ironically despite many hours of cutting neither saws ruined a single blade. I am definately having the Nova intercooler water jet cut professionally but for this project the end results wre good and kept cost to a minimum.

The top half of the induction uses a holley tbi 670 cfm unit with a 5153 nos plate sitting on top of a 670 to 4 barrell holley adapter. The holley adapter sits on a fabricated 1/4" thick piece of 6061 aluminum rounding out the upper induction.

Below is where things got tricky. The stock fageol series superchargers mount with studs that are screwed into the case just adjecent to the case outlet. Stock studs protrude through the lower manifold and are secured with special nuts from the underside. Some of the studs because of their proximity to the lower manifold plenum protrude into the actual area where boost is present and into the egr passage below. This engineering feat in stock form uses copper washers to "seal" boost from entering the stud holes and entering the oil valley or egr passage. Originally when I ran the kit last year I had run it without these washers because I had bought the kit used and they were not included.

Normally I would just attept to recreate the mounting as it was originally designed but due to the pop off slab and the fact that I mini welded egr block off plates on the cylinder heads I had to come up with a slightly different approach.

Since I also wanted to be able to unbolt the supercharger from the top side posed another challange.

The solution ended up being a series of studs that attach the fortal pop off slab onto the lower manifold , however these studs only penetrate the upper mounting holes. Frome below the old exsisting stud hole provisions were tapped and bolts with teflon tape were screwed into place to keep the boost where it should be , in the plenum , not the oil valley.

With the aluminum slab mounted I then had to take two identical pieces of 6061 1/4" aluminum and mount one to the slab and another to the supercharger bottom. This required drilling the mounting holes as well as counter sinking them 3/32" and then drilling blanks out of the opposite plate so the allen heads would not interfere with the mating of the two plates. I used the 8 holes on the base of the blower to mount one section and 6 bolts to mount the other plate to the slab using helicoils. Then each piece had to be cut out to allow air to folw through them, meanwhile all this had to be mocked up in the engine bay to make sure it was all inline with the belt system.

Today I have to clean all the parts and handmake gaskets, then all I have to do Is wait for the headers to come back from jet hot , assemble, wire then Its should come alive!

http://614streets.com/blowerfabcompleted.jpg

http://614streets.com/Fageolgasket2.jpg
http://614streets.com/Fageolgasket3.jpg
http://614streets.com/Fageolgasket4.jpg
http://614streets.com/Fageolgasket.jpg
http://614streets.com/Fageolgasket7.jpg

 

I like the custom machine work- that is coming together nice!

Keep us posted-

S-D

 

it's official, I'm envious and now I have to hate you....j/k

 

Agreed...I wish I knew how to do that! Looks good man!

Bruce (90RS305)

 

agreed!!! and over a v6 at that. that thing looks incredible. awesome craftsmanship, nice and clean just the way they should be.

 

 

Can you hook us up with a short *.mpg file when you get that engine running? I'd like to hear it and see it.

Also- Those rain gutter 90*s in the background of your headers shot look suspiciously like Ram Air ducts............. I call Patent Infringement! ~~~~~

S-D

 

thanks S-D, i never thought of those for cold air!

 

Do you know of a digital camera that is low budget and takes mpeg movies? I need to buy one but the budget is very tight right now, the little things are killing me. I would like a camera that can take a minimum of 20 second mpeg. Any Ideas ???

 

I bought a Sony about 4 years ago that cost me about $500, I'm sure the price is down by now. This was the kind of camera that takes a 3.5" disk directly in it. Then you can take it out and put it right into your computer. That is probably outdated technology by now, but is the only one I'm familiar with.
Maybe a used one off e-bay- though that is always risky....
Best-
S-D

 

we have one of those sony's at work here i think you can take about 15 secs or so i made an mpeg of my exhaust before i put the new tips on it... i'll see if i can find it then i'll try to get the new tips on one too...

 

Since you have been kind enough to keep posting through the And keep sharing what looks like a great build up, I went out and found a link or two for some cameras )

Cameras here

This one for $119 is two megapixel, not the best quality, but good enough to reprint phots It does caputer movies as well

Cheap movie camera here

Good luck on finding a camera

 

one mans bs is anothers o'rdevore (sp)

 

i thinks it's spelled hors devores... I could be wrong. and yes, monkeys make some mouth watering hors devores.....i gotta go.

 

Its did fire up on a base map not vey well though. I also lost all oil pressure and quickly shut it off. I had my eyes on the oil pressure when I saw it happen. The remote filter set up would not seal so I had to put an oem delco filter on the block.

Crazy thing is I had to buy very expensive fuel fittings and it is very hard to explain how I managed to make npt and AN fittings work with a metric fuel system, lets just say part of the system uses a air compressor quick disconnect half way back to the tank on the return side. Very expensive fuel set up all -6an.

All work done by me, tech edge wide band is working great.

 

yup...I'm jealous...you definitely gotta die now...just be sure to write in your will that the truck goes to me when you die. Thanx I appreciate it

(j/k)

 

not putting it in your thirdgen? I'd rather see you spank imports around with your car than your truck...


....then again I can just see the look on thier faces when it blows by them....

Bruce (90RS305)

 

f#4king sweet dude!! oh yeah, im scared. well maybe not scared, but your local cruise spot will probably have people wetting themselves over the blower whine. your craftsmanship looks second to none. awesome work man.:hail:

 

Cool project... I'd have gone with a GN motor or a small block (if it had been a 4.3 truck originally) but that has some pretty good curb appeal. Have you thought about full time AWD Typhoon or Syclone style? Parts are available from the Bravada / AWD Astro.