a discussion about cowl induction
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Motor Mouth . Heres the photos you wanted.
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I wish. Thats were I took my car to get the Eaton Posi. ,axles, gears,and girdle.The shop is called "The Rear-End Shop" In Santa Rosa CA.
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OK !!!!!! I am impressed and stand corrected !!!!!
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Re: a discussion about cowl induction
Now the same test should be done with the cowl sealed from the engine compartement.
You guy's should plug in EBL and set it up, it has the features you desperately need for CAI.
IAT vs CTS filter to set how much of the IAT readings needs to be considered for fueling, though this is for normal driving. IAT is better wenn stable, EBL has 8 banks, allowing to load a coustom bin for different ambient themperatures, ... To switch form one tune to another takes less then 1 second.
SA - IAT/CTS compensation table to set how much SA needs to be addet or pulled according to the IAT cooler or hotter readings.
Dimented24x7 has posted a nice set up to take advantage of a CAI using a different ECM with MAF, somewere in this forum.
You guy's should plug in EBL and set it up, it has the features you desperately need for CAI.
IAT vs CTS filter to set how much of the IAT readings needs to be considered for fueling, though this is for normal driving. IAT is better wenn stable, EBL has 8 banks, allowing to load a coustom bin for different ambient themperatures, ... To switch form one tune to another takes less then 1 second.
SA - IAT/CTS compensation table to set how much SA needs to be addet or pulled according to the IAT cooler or hotter readings.
Dimented24x7 has posted a nice set up to take advantage of a CAI using a different ECM with MAF, somewere in this forum.
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Re: a discussion about cowl induction
[QUOTE=thomas1976;4397415]Now the same test should be done with the cowl sealed from the engine compartement.
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I'd like to see that too.
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I'd like to see that too.
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[quote=skinny z;4397431]i can do that once it gets a little nicer out. Mine is almost completely sealed to the hood, the pan is within an 1/8" to the cowl, but has no rubber/foam gasket. May no be until spring unfortunatly, unless we get some rain to get rid of all this damn road salt
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Re: a discussion about cowl induction
Id like to see some photos of the cowl openings from the rear showing the vent / rear screen area. I'm still considering how to open up the rear area of mine. I'm not real good at math so Ill take skinny z's word for it and say there's a total of 2 1/2 in. in diameter worth of 1/4in . holes of space for air to flow through my vent.(way to small) If I drill the holes out to 1/2 in. that should give me plenty of air right? I really want to keep the screen if I can opposed to cutting out large areas.(I remeasured and the holes are 3/8 if that makes any difference.)
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Id like to see some photos of the cowl openings from the rear showing the vent / rear screen area. I'm still considering how to open up the rear area of mine. I'm not real great with math but I multiplied the amount of holes in my screen by 1/4in.(size of holes) and I came up with 6in. in diameter if you combine them in total. If I drill the holes out to 1/2 in. that should give me plenty of air right? I really want to keep the screan if I can opposed to cutting out large areas.
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Yes you caught me in the middle of a edit to my message concerning just that.
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As you know the area of a circle is 3.14 x radius squared.
3.14 x (.125 x .125)=.049 sq in.
Multiply that times the 100+ holes you have and its around 4.9 sq in.
That's about a 2 1/2 inch pipe.
Even opening up the holes to just 3/8" will get you about 11 sq. in. ( 3 3/4 diameter )
3.14 x (.125 x .125)=.049 sq in.
Multiply that times the 100+ holes you have and its around 4.9 sq in.
That's about a 2 1/2 inch pipe.
Even opening up the holes to just 3/8" will get you about 11 sq. in. ( 3 3/4 diameter )
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Re: a discussion about cowl induction
ok i have teh same hood as the one thats been showed here the most. but i cut out the back panel with all the holes so its a huge wide opening. i have a modded stock housing with a taller filter and a flow thru lid. i noticed a improvement in acceleration and a lot of suck, engine temps dropped slightly. when i drive in the rain the rain will get sucked in deffinately. so IMO it works and doesnt cause any harm
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I have looked all over for a "aluminum air cleaner spacer" to replace that plastic one. I called Jegs and Summit Racing and still could not find it. Maybe I could get some help locating one . Maybe a Part # etc. Thanks
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Hi Stephen, Do you know were I can find the aluminum air cleaner spacer ?
Yes and I am happy to say I measured the holes again more closely and came up with 3/8 in. holes.
= ( Even opening up the holes to just 3/8" will get you about 11 sq. in. ( 3 3/4 diameter )" .
I will take it.
Yes and I am happy to say I measured the holes again more closely and came up with 3/8 in. holes.
= ( Even opening up the holes to just 3/8" will get you about 11 sq. in. ( 3 3/4 diameter )" .
I will take it.
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I don't recall ever seeing a factory air cleaner spacer. Just air cleaners built to the specific height they needed to be.
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My orig spacer came from a GM 350cid truck. Plastic. The one I bought from Jegs past summer was 1/2 inch alum with a 0 ring imbedded. I drilled a series of holes in opposite side of o ring and epoxied that surface to each other making 1 inch. now both sides had 0 ring. It was in Jegs catalog maybe in truck or air cleaners area. I will try to get part #.
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Q:I have looked all over for a "aluminum air cleaner spacer" to replace that plastic one. I called Jegs and Summit Racing and still could not find it. Maybe I could get some help locating one . Maybe a Part # etc. Thanks
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In Jegs catalog with air cleaners is .50 inch 128 72250, 1.50 inch 128 722 60, 2.00 inch 128 72265.
I used 2 .50 inch as 1.50 was too much for clearance to hood.
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In Jegs catalog with air cleaners is .50 inch 128 72250, 1.50 inch 128 722 60, 2.00 inch 128 72265.
I used 2 .50 inch as 1.50 was too much for clearance to hood.
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1. Take a look at the cowl area of the cars you walk past. How many use the high-pressure area at the base of the windshield to pressurize the heater/AC fan box? Common as dirt years ago.
2. Removing the seal at the back of the hood doesn't "let the heat out". It lets ambient-temperature air INTO the engine compartment, where it competes with air drawn through the radiator for an escape under the car. In short, it makes the air flow through the radiator less efficient.
3. All the OEM applications of cowl-induction used a sealed system so the carb could draw the ambient-temp air, WITHOUT allowing the air to become part of the under-hood air flow pattern. The engineers were smart enough to recognize that the radiator air flow becomes less efficient when the pressurized air from the cowl gets blown all over the engine.
4. The seals on the hood-to-air cleaner, and hood-to-body also keep engine fumes from being pulled into the HVAC system at idle and low speed.
A cowl-induction hood without the seals 'n' ducts to prevent air leakage into the under-hood airflow is well below optimum. The cowl air is needed in TWO places: The HVAC system and the throttle body, and nowhere else.
2. Removing the seal at the back of the hood doesn't "let the heat out". It lets ambient-temperature air INTO the engine compartment, where it competes with air drawn through the radiator for an escape under the car. In short, it makes the air flow through the radiator less efficient.
3. All the OEM applications of cowl-induction used a sealed system so the carb could draw the ambient-temp air, WITHOUT allowing the air to become part of the under-hood air flow pattern. The engineers were smart enough to recognize that the radiator air flow becomes less efficient when the pressurized air from the cowl gets blown all over the engine.
4. The seals on the hood-to-air cleaner, and hood-to-body also keep engine fumes from being pulled into the HVAC system at idle and low speed.
A cowl-induction hood without the seals 'n' ducts to prevent air leakage into the under-hood airflow is well below optimum. The cowl air is needed in TWO places: The HVAC system and the throttle body, and nowhere else.
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1. Take a look at the cowl area of the cars you walk past. How many use the high-pressure area at the base of the windshield to pressurize the heater/AC fan box? Common as dirt years ago.
2. Removing the seal at the back of the hood doesn't "let the heat out". It lets ambient-temperature air INTO the engine compartment, where it competes with air drawn through the radiator for an escape under the car. In short, it makes the air flow through the radiator less efficient.
3. All the OEM applications of cowl-induction used a sealed system so the carb could draw the ambient-temp air, WITHOUT allowing the air to become part of the under-hood air flow pattern. The engineers were smart enough to recognize that the radiator air flow becomes less efficient when the pressurized air from the cowl gets blown all over the engine.
4. The seals on the hood-to-air cleaner, and hood-to-body also keep engine fumes from being pulled into the HVAC system at idle and low speed.
A cowl-induction hood without the seals 'n' ducts to prevent air leakage into the under-hood airflow is well below optimum. The cowl air is needed in TWO places: The HVAC system and the throttle body, and nowhere else.
2. Removing the seal at the back of the hood doesn't "let the heat out". It lets ambient-temperature air INTO the engine compartment, where it competes with air drawn through the radiator for an escape under the car. In short, it makes the air flow through the radiator less efficient.
3. All the OEM applications of cowl-induction used a sealed system so the carb could draw the ambient-temp air, WITHOUT allowing the air to become part of the under-hood air flow pattern. The engineers were smart enough to recognize that the radiator air flow becomes less efficient when the pressurized air from the cowl gets blown all over the engine.
4. The seals on the hood-to-air cleaner, and hood-to-body also keep engine fumes from being pulled into the HVAC system at idle and low speed.
A cowl-induction hood without the seals 'n' ducts to prevent air leakage into the under-hood airflow is well below optimum. The cowl air is needed in TWO places: The HVAC system and the throttle body, and nowhere else.
Just had to say Amen , I am looking to one day take an early carbed V8 sport coupe and make a functional cowl induction setup but using the single plane aftermarket EFI intake systems that use the 4 brl throttle body and make it look almost factory, I hate half assed setups.
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Re: a discussion about cowl induction
Wow,
This started as a $500.00 car and my first build ever.
Here's just a "small" part of what needed to be replace in mine.
I did almost ALL of this myself in including the list of modifications,etc. with many pieces coming from "Pick N Pull" as to salvage what I could from even less fortunate cars.
Needed = tires / fuel pump / water pump / Vats Module / power steering pump / smog pump / alternator / intake manifold gasket / new steering column / all break components / radiator / heater core and hose replacements / front windshield /new front bumper cover / lower valance / side ground effects / new rear hatch and motor /most of the interior including front seats / head liner /door skins / console, etc.,etc.
Here's a few "Modification's","Up-Grade's" and "Replacement" parts I used on the car.
Custom PPG Rally Red Paint / Custom Black Racing Stripes /Crystal Red Pearl in both / Goodmark Steel Cowl Hood /American Racing AR-23 Aluminum Alloy Wheel's and "Mickey Thompson" S/T Sportsman Tires / MOOG 5665 Rear Springs / KYB "Gas A Just" Rear Shocks / New Front Running-Parking Lights / Custom Stainless Steel Hood Pins / Red Bow-Tie Front Grill Insert and "Black" IROC-Z Door Decals with New Weatherstripping.
Open-Air 14 by 3in. Element & Xtra-Flow Filter Top / New Coolant and Washer Tanks / Transmission Cooler / Adjustable Temperature Controlled Duel Fans / Re-Programed E-PROM with VATS and Speed Limiter Removal / New Converter Lock-Up speed of 40 mph./ Corvette servo upgrade.
3in. American Thunder Flowmaster Cat Back / Magnaflow Cat / "Energy Suspension" Poly Motor and Transmission Mounts / 28 spline Eaton Posi. / 28 spline axles & gear ratio changes to 3.42 with L.P.W. Ultimate 10 Bolt cover.
Grant "Challenger" Series Steering Wheel / 4th Gen. Camaro Seats / Fire Extinguisher / "Python" Alarm System / Kenwood Deck with Pioneer 6.5 door speakers added / Pioneer 6x9 speakers in the sail panels and Rear Hatch Privacy Screen.
Most if not all censers, senders including electrical and electronic components have been replaced.
I have my cooling system designed to keep my car in the 180* to 190* range and that keeps my under hood temperatures down.
I have spent countless hard fought hours under the hood of my car to get it where it is today.
Dependable/reliable and starts every time with the first crank and even though it has some miles on the little 5.0 it pulls nice and hard when I want it to.
Although just adding a tray with seal to my air filter assembly would make it a "True Cowl Intake", after many years of driving the car this way as a DD I have decided to keep it as is. I do not like how cheep the trays I have seen look and feel.
I would love to see some of you guys put half the blood, sweat and tears into your cars the way a lot of us have.
Not to mention having to scrape and save for every penny.
There is so much more to it than buying a car that "runs" in "decent" condition or even nicer and adding or changing a few components, especially for us doing it for the first time.
This started as a $500.00 car and my first build ever.
Here's just a "small" part of what needed to be replace in mine.
I did almost ALL of this myself in including the list of modifications,etc. with many pieces coming from "Pick N Pull" as to salvage what I could from even less fortunate cars.
Needed = tires / fuel pump / water pump / Vats Module / power steering pump / smog pump / alternator / intake manifold gasket / new steering column / all break components / radiator / heater core and hose replacements / front windshield /new front bumper cover / lower valance / side ground effects / new rear hatch and motor /most of the interior including front seats / head liner /door skins / console, etc.,etc.
Here's a few "Modification's","Up-Grade's" and "Replacement" parts I used on the car.
Custom PPG Rally Red Paint / Custom Black Racing Stripes /Crystal Red Pearl in both / Goodmark Steel Cowl Hood /American Racing AR-23 Aluminum Alloy Wheel's and "Mickey Thompson" S/T Sportsman Tires / MOOG 5665 Rear Springs / KYB "Gas A Just" Rear Shocks / New Front Running-Parking Lights / Custom Stainless Steel Hood Pins / Red Bow-Tie Front Grill Insert and "Black" IROC-Z Door Decals with New Weatherstripping.
Open-Air 14 by 3in. Element & Xtra-Flow Filter Top / New Coolant and Washer Tanks / Transmission Cooler / Adjustable Temperature Controlled Duel Fans / Re-Programed E-PROM with VATS and Speed Limiter Removal / New Converter Lock-Up speed of 40 mph./ Corvette servo upgrade.
3in. American Thunder Flowmaster Cat Back / Magnaflow Cat / "Energy Suspension" Poly Motor and Transmission Mounts / 28 spline Eaton Posi. / 28 spline axles & gear ratio changes to 3.42 with L.P.W. Ultimate 10 Bolt cover.
Grant "Challenger" Series Steering Wheel / 4th Gen. Camaro Seats / Fire Extinguisher / "Python" Alarm System / Kenwood Deck with Pioneer 6.5 door speakers added / Pioneer 6x9 speakers in the sail panels and Rear Hatch Privacy Screen.
Most if not all censers, senders including electrical and electronic components have been replaced.
I have my cooling system designed to keep my car in the 180* to 190* range and that keeps my under hood temperatures down.
I have spent countless hard fought hours under the hood of my car to get it where it is today.
Dependable/reliable and starts every time with the first crank and even though it has some miles on the little 5.0 it pulls nice and hard when I want it to.
Although just adding a tray with seal to my air filter assembly would make it a "True Cowl Intake", after many years of driving the car this way as a DD I have decided to keep it as is. I do not like how cheep the trays I have seen look and feel.
I would love to see some of you guys put half the blood, sweat and tears into your cars the way a lot of us have.
Not to mention having to scrape and save for every penny.
There is so much more to it than buying a car that "runs" in "decent" condition or even nicer and adding or changing a few components, especially for us doing it for the first time.
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