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Old Apr 16, 2003 | 11:38 AM
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Oh No Burning Oil

Well, looks like I'll be replacing the intake gasket again. I used an Ultra Seal this time, but didn't realize I needed ones with larger ports. The gasket is gray and there seems to be something that has soaked into it at spots, as some spots are darker than others.
When I rev the car or take of real hard, there is blue smoke coming out the exhaust.
Besides burning expensive Mobil 1 oil, will there be any damage done till I can replace it with the proper gasket.
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Old Apr 16, 2003 | 12:16 PM
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You have a DD, replace it ASAP.
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Old Apr 16, 2003 | 12:23 PM
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You have a DD, replace it ASAP.
DD?
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Old Apr 16, 2003 | 08:07 PM
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anyone, I've driven it about 200 miles, and have to drive it another 16 miles where I can work on it. I didn't notice the blue smoke till today.

Blue smoke always = oil burning correct?
The car seems to run fine.
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Old Apr 16, 2003 | 08:09 PM
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That would be burning oil my friend!

You should be just fine. Just make sure you constantly check the oil level
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Old Apr 16, 2003 | 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by Dan88IrocZ
That would be burning oil my friend!

You should be just fine. Just make sure you constantly check the oil level
So, it's more of an embarassng issue, when I step on it for blue smoke to come out.
I just changed the intake gasket this past weekend, I really don't feel like doing it again, oh well, can't ride around with a blue trail when I kill some Vettes
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Old Apr 16, 2003 | 10:01 PM
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oh well, can't ride around with a blue trail when I kill some Vettes
You could, and it would be even better. Fly past him and leave him in your smoky blue cloud.
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Old Apr 17, 2003 | 12:07 AM
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My car puffs out its share of smoke on hard acceleration, but when I come back with a 12sec timeslip I don't worry that much..haha Actually the oil won't hurt anything as long as oil level, and pressure is fine. Also I don't know what your compression is, but oil lowers octane levels...which in my case isn't that great. But you won't hurt anything burning a little oil.
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Old Apr 17, 2003 | 05:47 PM
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I though with using a synth that the oil would burn clean not blue???
Is this right or is it a wives tell?

So blue smoke being shot out? if synth should burn clear, what would cause blue, did your motor get rebuilt? Did you switch over to synth recently?
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Old Apr 17, 2003 | 08:01 PM
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I found out today it's not an intake leak. IT's a valve cover leak. My headers didn't seal well to the heads and I used copper gaskets, which I'll be chaning out. Anyways there's oil all over the wires and I saw some oil dripping into the header area between the heads and it was smoking.
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Old Apr 17, 2003 | 08:08 PM
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Hope that takes care of it for you.

Jeff
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Old Apr 17, 2003 | 10:28 PM
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That's about as embarrassing as the time I passed some cell phone yacking chick in a BMW and my valve cover breather popped off. Spraying oil and smoke was everywhere.
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Old Apr 18, 2003 | 04:58 AM
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Originally posted by Mark A Shields
I found out today it's not an intake leak. IT's a valve cover leak. My headers didn't seal well to the heads and I used copper gaskets, which I'll be chaning out. Anyways there's oil all over the wires and I saw some oil dripping into the header area between the heads and it was smoking.
Mark, I thought the smoke was coming from your exhaust? If so, its not OK! Sure, it will still run, but you have some issues somewhere. Rings maybe, or valvetrain problems..have you done a compression check lately? Might be a good Idea. Before things get real expensive$$$$$$$
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Old Apr 18, 2003 | 05:00 AM
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Originally posted by Dirty Rob
You could, and it would be even better. Fly past him and leave him in your smoky blue cloud.
LOL Advice from a Pro...:hail:
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Old Apr 18, 2003 | 08:37 AM
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Originally posted by Riley's35089rs+
Mark, I thought the smoke was coming from your exhaust?:
It is, but the oil is leaking in between the head and header, burning inside the header and coming out thru the exhaust.
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Old Apr 18, 2003 | 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by Mark A Shields
I found out today it's not an intake leak. IT's a valve cover leak. My headers didn't seal well to the heads and I used copper gaskets, which I'll be chaning out. Anyways there's oil all over the wires and I saw some oil dripping into the header area between the heads and it was smoking.
The headers would have to be real loose and it would have to be leaking alot of oil for it to get drawn in. I wouldnt write it off as being something that simple quite yet untill you check everything else out first.
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Old Apr 18, 2003 | 09:02 AM
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Originally posted by dimented24x7
The headers would have to be real loose and it would have to be leaking alot of oil for it to get drawn in. I wouldnt write it off as being something that simple quite yet untill you check everything else out first.
The headers are tight, but for some reason the flange didn't seal well to the heads, I'm going to try what ctandc recommends by using 2 sets of fel pros.

Anyways, there is oil all over the head where it meets the headers, oil on the wires, and I popped the hood when I got home, and there was oil dripping and burning right into the header primary tube area. Granted it may still be an intake problem, but the way it's looking, I'm hoping it's just a bad sealing valve cover gasket.
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Old Apr 18, 2003 | 04:28 PM
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Not that Ive been into this Hi performance scene a long time...but that would be the first time I have ever heard of this one....hope you are right....pretty easy to run a compression test....

5-7's method:

As for the compression test, you first run all the cylinders in the normal fashion (all plugs out, coil disabled, choke and throttle held full open, crank each cylinder until max pressure reached, record each cylinder's pressure, etc.). That's the dry test. Then, you put a tablespoon or so of oil in the cylinders through the spark plug holes, turn the engine over a few times to spread it around the cylinder, and then repeat the compression test. If the rings are worn, the oil will tend to enhance the seal and raise the compression pressure significantly from the dry test. You have to do both in order for the wet test to have any meaning. If the dry test numbers are close cylinder-to-cylinder and where they should be (say 150 psi), and no significant change to the dry test, then everything's fine. If the dry test is low and the wet test is low, then you have valve sealing problems.

I wouldn't reccomend doubling (sp) the gaskets...just another seal to seal..(wives tale if you ask me!) I know , you didnt..... I think you have more than one problem going on.

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Old Apr 18, 2003 | 10:05 PM
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Originally posted by Mark A Shields
The headers are tight, but for some reason the flange didn't seal well to the heads, I'm going to try what ctandc recommends by using 2 sets of fel pros.

Anyways, there is oil all over the head where it meets the headers, oil on the wires, and I popped the hood when I got home, and there was oil dripping and burning right into the header primary tube area. Granted it may still be an intake problem, but the way it's looking, I'm hoping it's just a bad sealing valve cover gasket.

heres an idea....if it is leaking from the valve cover gasket, replace that gasket

but i would listen to Riley and do a compression test too.

as for the header leak....are the flanges on the headers flat? were the sealing surfaces on the exhaust ports clean? do you have the right header gasket? did you run the car and then retighten the bolts? did you even put in all the bolts?

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Old Apr 19, 2003 | 11:53 AM
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You mean I'm supposed to put all the bolts in

Yes, they were retightened. I got the copper D shaped gaskets. However, they listed sizes for the ports, that may have been wrong.

Obviously I am going to change the valve cover gasket when I get a chance, I'm not driving the car till I do.
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