ok take a look at the photos that the link will take you too.

here is what happen. one day about 3 weeks ago i drive up to Elk Grove witch it about an hour drive one way from where i am.

the car ran nice and strong both ways. the problem happen to me after i got home and turned the car off. on my cooling system i can have the funs turn on what i fip a switch or it will turn on at a set temp. when when i got home i had it running all the time on my way home and when i get home i turned the witch so it would only turn on at a set temp but it never turned back on over night and the next day i when to start it up to goto work and it was pouring white smoke out the tail pipes i then looked at the dip stick and saw that the anti freeze was mixed it with the oil so its

a) blown head gasket
b) waped head
C) cracked head
D) the cyl walls are cracked

anyways take a look at the pics and tell me what you think of the oil comeing out of the vavle train the pics when taken with the car running and at idle. i don't think its normal for the oil to jet out that way it does in the first pic

what do you think?
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/xxmy91fir....src=ph&.view=

 

No question, there's water in the oil.

Do a pressure test on the radiator; you might be able to tell where it's coming form, if you can hear it escaping. Could be something as simple as the intake gasket, could be a cracked block. Start by pulling the intake off; if you don't see anything, pull the heads; etc.

I'd recommend putting your cooling system control back like it belongs after you get it fixed. Sounds like your "alternate engineering" plan isn't too effective. The stock cooling setup, in working condition, works perfect; your car will run for hundreds of thousands of miles without this happening, if you just keep it working right, and don't mess with it to try to cover up something that's not working right.

 

well see what i sawp the v-8 into the car i removed the Computer... and the fan's where ran via the computer. so i when to winner cirlce and got the think where you put the senocr in the upper hose and then it gets to the set temp it turns on. the system works VERY well.. i just think i turned the **** to much :-(

 

We can all see the results of how well it works. Reality speaks for itself.

Usually the less operator intervention that is required, the better off you are.

The best thing to do would be to put a temp switch in the head like the carbed cars have, and let it work the relay in the stock fashion. Get a switch that turns it on about 15° above your thermostat temp, from Hayden or Hypertech or the stock one for a Buick GN.

 

http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerc...05&prmenbr=361


thats what i have on my car

 

Can someone explain to me how you guys are trying to rationalize that antifreeze got in his oil because of his fan controls? Sounds to me like two completely unrelated issues. Looks like its time to start pulling the motor apart, and don't plan on putting it back together either because by the looks of it, your bearings are already fried or just about to be from the elongated running of the motor with water/antifreeze in the crankcase.

 

well we are talkgin about the fan control cuz it over heater and that how the damage happen to the motor.

 

Oh so your saying that the fan controls didn't work and your car overheated? If your heads are aluminum you probably warped the heads depending on how hot your motor got. There's really no point in even guessing, the only way your ever going to find out is by dissasembling the motor and finding out the problem. Good luck and ALWAYS WATCH THE TEMP AND OIL GUAGE!!

 

i always do. nut it over heated after the motor was off and the fans never kicked back on.

 

If the fans just didn't come on after the motor was turned off, then I don't think that would be the cause of this. It would just be two unrelated subjects because on all stock cars, the fans aren't on while the motor is off, and they don't overheat and blow gaskets and warp heads. Sounds like two unrelated issues to me.

 

it does to me as well but i'm just giveing as much info as i can so people can try to help

 

regardless, that engine is going to have to be torn apart. it may be worse than u think. the engine may have to be rebuilt. best of luck.

 

By looking at those pics you can clearly see a visible trace of antifreeze on the intake. You can also see that the intake is an Edelbrock. I would start by pressure testing and maybe spray some soap on the intake to head area to see if the intake gasket is leaking or bad. I think you have worse problems than that based on the later pics of the car running with that cloud coming out of the tail pipe. Maybe it is a starting point. Good luck, hope its nothing too serious...

 

where do you see a leck on the intake? if you mean the marks then are under the carb thats from when the card was adjusted wrong and was over flowing with gas other then take i don't see the intake lecking.

 

I didn't really catch anything that clearly looked like an intake leak; but that could certainly produce the symptoms at hand. That's about the simplest thing to fix out of the likely suspects. Head gaskets would be next, then cracked heads, and worst of course would be a cracked block. That would bite big-time.

Looks like you don't have much anit-freeze in your cooling system, mostly water, so it should clean up OK if it hasn't already toasted the bearings from lack of oil. Water doesn't make a terribly good lube.

 

well when it first started smokeing liek that i changed the oil and put in SAE 30 in and not that much anti-frezze cuz i didn't have any around the house. the guy that uis goign to do the repairs told me to do that first to see if the thicker oil would help plug up the leck..... as you can see it didn't work. the car hasn't been moved sice the new oil put in. jas only been started and ran at idle. i'm just hopeing that it isn't a cracked block... if it is i'm going to be pissed cuz i just put this motor in the car less then 2,000 miles ago

 

it was a blown head gasket on Cyl. 3 Thanks for all the head guys:-D

 

a lil off topic, however, 86firebird - how in the living hell do you keep those plug wires from getting torched by the headers? You don't even have those boots for it? Looks like your running the accel super stock 8mm wires too?

 

they are taylor 8mm wires and ihave 90º anle ends and then i have spacers that hold the wires away from the headers. now that i ahve the headers off i'm going to run the wires under the heads all together.