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Old May 12, 2005 | 09:06 AM
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Timing question

I put a new L98 in my 89 TA, and when I was messing with the timing I noticed that When I hit the throttle the timing retards about 10-12 degrees. I was wondering if that was normal. I figured that as the rpms went up the timing would advance. I put a new knock sensor on it and ot still does the same thing.
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Old May 12, 2005 | 10:36 AM
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Car: 82 Berlinetta/57 Bel Air
Engine: L92/LQ4 (both w/4" stroke)
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With the ECM connected, timing will be more advanced at idle/no-load than when you hit the throttle. Just like the "old days" with a vacuum/mechanical advance distributor, when vacuum goes down (like when you hit the throttle), advance goes down.

For the record: The timing is "set" with the ECM wire disconnected. That is the "base" timing. Anything you do with the timing light after that is for amusement purposes only.
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Old May 12, 2005 | 10:49 AM
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I had the ecm disconnected
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Old May 12, 2005 | 10:56 AM
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How certain of that are you?

With the ECM disconnected, the "limp home mode" will advance with RPMs only, from what I've seen & heard.
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Old May 12, 2005 | 11:00 AM
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To set the static timing you disconnect the brown and white wire on the passenger side of the car over by the heaterbox. So that's what I did.
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Old May 12, 2005 | 11:03 AM
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Okay, I'll let someone else chime in then. If it was retarding that much, then it would have been ATDC as you blipped the throttle.
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Old May 12, 2005 | 11:05 AM
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This may be a dumb question and I'll probably feel pretty stupid when you answer it but what is the ATDC?
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Old May 12, 2005 | 11:11 AM
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Stupid me after top dead center. Had a brain fart temporarily.
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Old May 12, 2005 | 12:01 PM
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What RPM was it at and how high did you rev it?
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Old May 12, 2005 | 12:03 PM
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I set the timing at about 900-1000 rpms, and I reved it to about 3500.
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Old May 12, 2005 | 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by NML98TA
I had the ecm disconnected
With the ECM disconnected, the engine won't even start or run.

Maybe you had just the EST disconnected?

I wouldn't waste time troubleshooting w/ EST open, just hook it up and run it w/ a scanner attached to verify correct operation.
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Old May 12, 2005 | 01:08 PM
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2 questions
A: where do I get a scanner and
B: It will tell me if the timing is correct.
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