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Old May 27, 2005 | 09:02 PM
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when installing a camshaft is there a way to remove the timing cover without dropping the oil pan? can it be replaced without it leaking?
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Old May 27, 2005 | 09:05 PM
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If you work at it, you should be able to slide it up enough to get it out without distorting it too much. Trim the ends of the lip on the back before you put it back on. Use lots of silicone in the corners to keep it from leaking if you do.
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Old May 27, 2005 | 09:07 PM
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which lip at the top?
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Old May 27, 2005 | 09:13 PM
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On the back of the cover there's a lip at the bottom that the oil pan front seal fits into. If you trim the corners of it off then you'll be able to put the cover straight onto the cover without sliding the oil pan into it. You'll see what I mean when you take the cover off.
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Old May 27, 2005 | 09:14 PM
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Actually, here's a picture...

<img src="http://sporttruck.com/howto/p9198_image_large.jpg">
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Old May 27, 2005 | 09:20 PM
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I looked at a timing cover tonight, so I trim the Whole lip off? And then slide it between the front oil pan gasket and the block?
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Old May 27, 2005 | 09:23 PM
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Not the whole lip, you still need to hold the oil pan seal in place. It's one of those things that's easier to do than it is to explain.
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Old May 27, 2005 | 09:30 PM
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wish I had a closer pic of that. I'd hate to trim off the wrong stuff.
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Old May 27, 2005 | 09:41 PM
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Try test fitting it with no seals in it before you actually do it, and then you'll see where it needs to be trimmed.
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Old May 27, 2005 | 09:44 PM
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does the seal come out with it?
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Old May 27, 2005 | 09:49 PM
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The crankshaft seal is pressed into the cover. I don't remember if the oil pan front seal normally comes out with the cover or not, I always pull the pan.
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Old May 27, 2005 | 09:52 PM
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how hard is it to pull the pan? I have a one piece oil pan gasket, but I don't feel like lifting the motor and doing all that fun stuff, especially since I'll be doing this on the street.
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Old May 27, 2005 | 10:04 PM
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Ok then, you don't actually have to remove the whole pan, just lower it a bit. If you've got a one piece gasket you should be able to get it to seal up again just fine afterwards.
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Old May 27, 2005 | 10:12 PM
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are the stock gaskets rubber or cork?
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Old May 27, 2005 | 10:14 PM
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Cork along the rails and viton at the front and rear, IIRC.
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Old May 27, 2005 | 10:17 PM
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that would be a pita to scrape
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Old May 27, 2005 | 10:22 PM
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I could be wrong. Who knows if yours are still stock even.
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