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Old Nov 25, 2005 | 09:40 PM
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Hey guys,

Im putting a ZZ4 Cam in my L98. The heads are already modified, (screw in studs, guideplates and guides milled down) and I was wondering about valvesprings. My dad has some that came with his cam that he didnt use, they are for a 327ci - 350hp out of like a '69 z28 he says (they are brand new replacements). Will these work?
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Old Nov 25, 2005 | 09:43 PM
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Without the spec's its impossible to know if they work or not.

I would just get new ones, with known specs. Comp, Crower, Isky, Crane, etc - all make good valve springs (avoid K-motion, "Z-28" performance springs, no-namers like that).

Don't know the lift numbers off hand, so I can't make any recommendations. Sorry.
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Old Nov 25, 2005 | 09:54 PM
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Unfortunately all I know is they were part of a L79 rebuild kit to make the 327ci 350hp.

Hopefully they are a little better. Ill probably bust a spring and bend a valve.
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Old Nov 25, 2005 | 10:11 PM
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Car: 91 B4C, 17 C7 GS, 16 Denali DMax
Engine: LS3, LS3, LML
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I am also interested to hear some opinions on this one. I am thinking of upgrading my cam to the ZZ4.

The specs on the ZZ4 cam are:
Duration @ 0.050" 208/221,
Valve Lift 474/510,
112 Lobe Center Separation

Right now I am running a Comp Cam TPI specific cam with the following specs:
Duration @ 0.050" 210/220
Valve Lift 480/480
112 Lobe Center Separation

Comp recommends the 981-16 valve springs for my current cam. Can these springs handle the extra 030 lift?
Number of Springs Per Valve: Single
Outside Diameter of Outer Spring (in): 1.254
Coil Bind Height (in): 1.150
Damper Spring Included: Yes
Spring Rate (lbs/in): 417
Inside Diameter of Outer Spring (in): 0.880
Inside Diameter of Inner Spring (in): 0.820
Valve Spring Style: Standard


Comp also makes a cam similar to the ZZ4 which they recommend the 986-16 valve spring.
Cam:
Duration @ 0.050" 220/230
Valve Lift 510/510
114 Lobe Center Separation

Valve Spring:
Outside Diameter of Outer Spring (in): 1.430
Coil Bind Height (in): 1.150
Damper Spring Included: No
Spring Rate (lbs/in): 296
Inside Diameter of Outer Spring (in): 1.070
Inside Diameter of Inner Spring (in): 0.697
Valve Spring Style: Standard

The 986-16 spring will not work with an 083 head unless the spring pocket is opened up. The spring rate for the 986-16 is 296 lbs/in vs. the 981-16 which is 417.

I am no valve spring guru so I dont know what that means. At first glance it looks to be a pretty big difference. Can I safely run the 981's or do I need to go to 986's?
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Old Nov 25, 2005 | 11:20 PM
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If I remember right, the Comp 981 springs are good to about .520" lift. Thats also what Comp reccomends for my cam, which had .490/.490 lift (XE274H).

Might want to double check that though.
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Old Nov 26, 2005 | 06:48 AM
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I read another thread on here, but I am not sure how accurate it is.

The author of the thread claims you calculate the max lift by using the following calculation:

(Installed Height) - (Open Height) = Max Lift

If that is true, the 981-16's would be as follows:
(1.700) - (1.250) = .450

The 983-16's would be as follows:
(1.700) - (1.200) = .500

I was under the impression to took the difference between the Installed Height and the Coil Bind Hieght to get the max lift. Not too sure though.
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Old Nov 26, 2005 | 10:14 AM
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Max lift (capable at the spring) is installed height - coil bind.
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