ok i am having soem trouble getting my car started it still is not running but i am no longer getting spark i brought it up to tdc and have it firing at number one but the wire wont arc when i have it out could this be a ground problem?

 

please help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i have a bunch of friends with hondas and they have to die

 

make sure you have your distr grounded properly and check the +12v in for proper voltage. Hows the battery doing?

Was the car starting before? If so, what changed? Also, if you have seperate coil pack, then check the plug wire coming from that, check that it has proper voltage. Check the manual for troubleshooting tips

 

i built an engine that was a slight change its an hei distributor with an msd coil

 

ok, so does the coil haave proper power? Is the dizzy getting proper grounding/power? Bad plugs? How about the choke? What does the car do, does it start to fire, or just turn over?

 

last week it was burping fire out of the carb i put it at tdc and saw that it wasnt at number one it was at like 3 so i put it where it needed to be and then i realized that i wasnt getting spark i have new plugs wires rotor cap and distributor i have been having ground problems so i was just wondering if that could play a major port in not sparking it just cranks and cranks and cranks the battery is also new
sorry if i came off as smart *** im just frustrated with thhis thing

 

Some history would help here, even if it's a little embarrassing.

Were you driving down the road, and it just suddenly died out of the clear blue, and now it's like this?

Did you drive it home normally, park it for the evening, get out to go to work in the morning, and now it's like this?

Did it start out fine a few weeks or days or months ago, and begin gradually deteriorating, and now it's reached this point?

Besides all the stuff about TDC, and "new" tune-up stuff, what work has been done on the car?

Did it work before this work was done? What about the "tune-up"? Was that done BEFORE it started not running, or after?

You say it has a MSD box on it. Does it run without that?

Is the distributor turning when you try to start it? Well, is it? Have you looked at it?

 

listen i bought the car with a seized 305 i pulled it put a 350 in it with some work has an hei distributor with msd coil not box i've never driven the car before i bought a short l98 and put a new top end on it it wasnt a tune up it was just the stuff i needed to get it moving the cap rotor and wires came in a moroso kit

 

the motor was out of my 89 formula 350. he sold off the top end and threw some vortec heads and some comp cams solid lifter cam on it with an edelbrock carb and manifold. double roller timing chain and HEI distributor. dropped it in. hes having a problem putting the distributor in right, thought we had it in but it wasnt sparking. There are a few things that need to get done yet besides that. it was a 305 TPI car. I told him to take some pics of underhood so you guys can show him what harnesses and wires he can remove under the hood to get rid of some of the clutter but he hasnt yet, so hopefully he will do that....or maybe i will, i think i have some pics of under the hood. Just gotta get the damn thing running already so I can show him that my Ford will still whoop on em....haha, jk guys

 

no more help?

 

thanks

 

What exactly do you mean, you moved it. The first question that needs to be answered is, is the car equipped with a V.A.T.S. that may have a worn down chip in the key? The V.A.T.S. would cause the car not to start and exhibit symptoms like you're describing. My advice, if you have a spare key, try to start the car with it. If you don't have a spare key, check around the site. There's an article describing how to disable the V.A.T.S. on here.

 

no i dont have V.A.T.S my car cranks and fires i had my ignition wires backwards proper order just counterclockwise car sounds better just still wont start i really think that it has something to do with my valves but nobody seems to think that thats true they all said to just snug the rocker till the pushrod has slight play in it i have a solid hydraulic cam if that matters

 

oh and i moved it to number one

 

Well, I'd have to say that I suspect the Ignition Module. Remove it from the Distributor and have it checked at an autoparts store. If the Module checks out okay, then you may have a problem with the pick up coil, which we can discuss testing it once you've verified whether or not the Ignition Module is the problem.

 

its brand new fireball distributor with an msd coil the module came with it

 

Are you even sure thats what your problem is?

 

Have you checked for any frayed wires going to the distributor, and are you sure the battery wire going into your cap is on securely?

Love your icon by the way vortech35091RS. That's funnier than ****.

 

ok update i checked that all out i now have spark again but still no start does anybody think that it has something to do with valve adjustment

 

The valves only acuate the delivery of air and fuel, and exhausting of spent air and fuel. In order for your problem to be valve related, all of your intake valves would have to not be actuating. That's eight intake valves total. As you can see, this is not very likely. If you have spark again, we are now back to a fuel deficiency problem. Use either starting fluid or gasoline, whichever is easiest, and get it into the intake. If the car starts, then you probably have a fuel pump related issue.

 

the carb is a double pumper i can see the gas being shot into the barrels

 

i readjusted my valves and my car sounds better but its still not starting it is however firing on one or two cylinders what the hell is the problem now?
think it could be the dizzy?

 

some *** hat said that i might have washed out my rings by trying to start it too much that possible

 

I seriously doubt the rings can be wiped out just by trying to start the car. Unless of course the motor was seized. If the car won't start, then how do you know it sounds better? Did you pull the ignition module out and have it tested at an autoparts store yet? Until we know if the module is the problem, we can't go any further. Especially if you can see gas spraying into the carb. I doubt this will work, but try holding the pedal to the floor while you're trying to start the car, just for giggles. You might be getting too much gas. Never heard of a car that stayed flooded this long, but it's at least worth a try.

 

yea i got it tested too forgot to say that

 

oh and when i say it sounds better i mean its firing on one or two cylinders

 

So did the ignition module check out as okay?

 

yes it did

 

If you have a compression checking gauge, use it to establish the compression in all the cylinders. All spark plugs have to be removed, the coil wire disconnected and the choke butterflies should be held open. Write down your numbers and then post them.

 

i dont have a compression checker i really dont know why it wont start i thought it might of had something to do with the oil pressure kill switch because i spotted two ungrounded wires and that didnt work i grounded them none of this **** makes any sense and i cant figure it out this is the first engine i put together and i followed everything to spec i really want to get this runnig cause i have a friend with a 98 mustang gt and we want to run at english town but i cant get this thing started anything you guys can think of please post it i'm a die hard camaro guy and getting this thing started would be awesome thanks for the help.

 

You've already flipped the distributor 180 degrees to make sure that's not the problem right.

 

Might be stupid, but have you checked for vacuum leaks? Are you sure you have the firing order correct on the cap? (it doesn't just go 1,2,3,4 etc) It should be1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2 . Have someone crank it over as you slowly advance/retard the timing.

 

see i dont know if the engine is cranking fast enough it sounds kinda slow its like 12:37 atlantic now so i cant check it now but i will as soon as i wake up i'm gonna check the firing order again cause i got some fire out of the carb again

 

Backfiring through the car is almost always something to do with timing. I would triple check your order, and then move the distributor while cranking.

 

pulling motor out bought a different camaro with less wiring problems and t tops and no rust its a good deal it sucks its a berlinetta though if anybody knows about summit headers if there any good let me know casue there only like 90 bucks lol

 

I have the summit shorties. I like them, they do make it hard to get to the plugs. I dont have much experience since this is my first set of headers ever, but hey, better than exhaust manifolds i guess and much better than nothing (which is what i had). They are great if you have a LOW LOW 'maro like me. The front has been droped 1.75" and i put on 205-60-15 so it's even lower.

Edit: They are bad if you are not going to run open header because you have to go to a shop to have a Y pipe made up, there are no kits available for this set of headers.

 

anybody thats still around the cam gears were 180 out car starts fine now got hooker long tubes on it sounds like a beast just wont shut off

 

There is nothing wrong with a berlinetta!

 

haha yea i know i got a 3 inch cowl on it now and got some black z06 wheels for it 17x 9.5 wrapped in 275/40r17 fuzion zri's pretty nasty