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Old Jul 20, 2006 | 09:03 PM
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blown head gasket, doesnt start HELP!

My direct drive gear went on my 700R4 over the weekend. So I took it to the transmission shop and $1600 later I got a fully rebiult tranny slightly beefed up with higher stall converter and the correct kickdown cable bracket. I drive it home, then on the way to work today I notice white smoke pissing out the exhaust. So I turn around and take it to my mechanic. Now this is only 35 miles on the new tranny. I figured there had to be a connection. It ran fine on the way to the mechanics and I parked it, after work I went to go check it out. But we couldnt get it to start. the starter motor was grinding. So we took out all the plugs and turned it over. It shot some coolant out of the passenger side cylander by the firewall. But it didnt turn over fast, even with a booster pack on it. Almost sound like the starter isnt engaging properly. I have a year warrenty on the tranny work...Can you guys please tell me what the heck is goin on with my car and if its related to the tranny work or just a freak coincidence....

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Old Jul 20, 2006 | 10:03 PM
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white smoke that was never there before?
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Old Jul 20, 2006 | 10:33 PM
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Don't forget the coolant shooting out of the cylinder. Heh, maybe they took the car out for a test drive and overheated it. Or it was just a freak thing like I've seen happen a few times. Sounds like you need to pull the head off, have it checked out at a machine shop, then put a new headgasket on.
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Old Jul 21, 2006 | 05:06 AM
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No white smoke or anything, I had it running good
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Old Jul 21, 2006 | 09:07 AM
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Where did the coolant in the cylinder come from then? If it's still at the mechanic's place, have them pressure test the cooling system to see if it holds or not. Have you checked the oil dipstick for the milkshake look?
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Old Jul 21, 2006 | 11:23 AM
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If the starter is grinding, the tranny shop could have installed it incorrectly.
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Old Jul 21, 2006 | 12:39 PM
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Sounds like a head gasket to me.
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Old Jul 22, 2006 | 09:24 AM
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"Matthew91-Z28 white smoke that was never there before? "

Thats why I said "no white smoke or anything"

Yes I know the gasket is blown, and no the oil luckily didnty get milky
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Old Jul 22, 2006 | 09:35 AM
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If the starter is grinding, the tranny shop could have installed it incorrectly.
Why would they need to drop the starter to put an auto trans in? I didn't touch my starter the other morning when I dropped the transmission to swap torque converters.
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Old Jul 22, 2006 | 09:52 AM
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Why would they need to drop the starter to put an auto trans in? I didn't touch my starter the other morning when I dropped the transmission to swap torque converters.
If you have a lift you dont need to drop the starter. If your doing it it your driveway like 80% of us on this board, than taking the starter out makes a little more room to move around. I,m also agreeing that its a coinsidence. It should still start. OR when you tried to start it with Coolent in the Combustion chamber the presure broke the starter. Ive seen that happen before.
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Old Jul 22, 2006 | 11:11 AM
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Why would they need to drop the starter to put an auto trans in? I didn't touch my starter the other morning when I dropped the transmission to swap torque converters.

According to the autozone (How To Book) they want you to disconnect the battery to add washer fluid.


Lets look at it this way. Your transmission went out. A bad or slipping tranny will generate a butt load of heat. This heat gets transferd into the coolant via the trans cooler. No engine likes extra heat, add a few miles on the clock and the weakest link in the chain will fail. Most likely you had a head gasket about to take a crap and the transmission failure finsihed it off.
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Old Jul 22, 2006 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by SSC
According to the autozone (How To Book) they want you to disconnect the battery to add washer fluid.


Lets look at it this way. Your transmission went out. A bad or slipping tranny will generate a butt load of heat. This heat gets transferd into the coolant via the trans cooler. No engine likes extra heat, add a few miles on the clock and the weakest link in the chain will fail. Most likely you had a head gasket about to take a crap and the transmission failure finsihed it off.

Agreed Whole heartedly. Good luck with the fix, if I was closer to you I would help you fix it.
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Old Jul 22, 2006 | 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by IROCZ86
If you have a lift you dont need to drop the starter. If your doing it it your driveway like 80% of us on this board, than taking the starter out makes a little more room to move around. I,m also agreeing that its a coinsidence. It should still start. OR when you tried to start it with Coolent in the Combustion chamber the presure broke the starter. Ive seen that happen before.
Still, I've never taken the starter out to drop a trans. I must have dropped the heavy **** TH400 3 times in six months, all on jack stands laying on my back in the driveway. Hell this last time, even though I have a lift it was basicly like working on jackstands. Still had to crawl around on my back to get the silly thing out since I don't have a trans jack made for a lift. Oh well, people do things differently than others.
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Old Jul 27, 2006 | 12:34 PM
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Was it something like this?

http://noxxen.tripod.com/sitebuilder.../rncarjack.jpg

Its too great.......
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Old Jul 27, 2006 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ResurrectingZ
Was it something like this?

http://noxxen.tripod.com/sitebuilder.../rncarjack.jpg

Its too great.......
that guy has a major set of ***** and a very small brain......
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Old Jul 27, 2006 | 08:54 PM
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Thanks for the help guys, it turns out the transmission shop broke the cooling fan toggle switch on the kick panel. I noticed it the second I picked the car up. But it was stuck in the off position, and I managed to turn it on before I even drove a mile from the tranny shop...so I didnt overheat it. But the shop DID test drive the car around town a bit to make sure everything was shifting right and the kickdown was working properly. So they mustve really overheated the engine in the city traffic. I got the heads off and a coolant passage on the head gasket was leaking into a cylinder like I thought. Looks like from heat, the heads are straight and everything else is in order...the nose cone on the end of the starter broke right off the main unit (cast aluminum) the peice mustve been binding the gear when I turned the engine over. Long story short the tranny shop is payin for half my repairs..cheap bastards
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Old Jul 27, 2006 | 09:50 PM
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Well that's crappy of them only paying half of the repair costs. They broke a cooling fan switch which caused it to overheat on their test drive. I guess one could also argue that you should have told them about the switch if they do infact have to take it out for a test drive.
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Old Jul 27, 2006 | 09:57 PM
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1600 dollers for rebuild you got robbed a local shop here in mn quoted me 700 what ever i need includes new torq converter email me ill give the shops phone 20yrs exsperiance
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