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Old Aug 2, 2007 | 08:50 AM
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Trouble with engine start after reassembly

I got my car for about 3 years. After I bought it I put some new heads, a new intake, new cam and new headers on it. Between that, there were a long period where I wasn't able to work on the car. So it was standing about a year.
Since a few weeks I'm back again, last week was the first time I tried to fire it up, but it does not work the way I want it to ;-).
So I just wanted to get some "ideas" where to start searching.
I got still the Q-Jet on it, when starting there a 3 "options" of what happens.
1. flames out of the headers
2. a big bang and then smoke out of the intake
or 3. nothing. Depends on how I turn the ignition.
On the carb I adjusted nothing until now. distributer and ignition coil are the old ones.
Last thing strange to me is, that when I turn the key in starting position, the minus-cable coming from the firewall and going to the engine gets very hot and smokes a bit.
so now i'm hopin' for some nice "input" from you guys.
thx a lot.
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Old Aug 2, 2007 | 09:09 AM
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Re: Trouble with engine start after reassembly

Sounds like the distributor is in wrong. Recheck timing. either out 180 degrees or off a tooth or so one way.
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Old Aug 2, 2007 | 09:25 AM
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Re: Trouble with engine start after reassembly

Exactly....

It's probably 180° off.

Remember, there are 2 instances of #1 TDC during a complete engine cycle; but ONLY ONE of those occurs at firing. The other instance occurs at the end of the exhaust stroke and the beginning of the intake storke. That other #1 TDC occurrence is #6 firing (4 cyls, i.e. ½ of an engine cycle) away from #1 in the firing order).

When the engine is assembled with the timing set "dot to dot" as one would normally do, then it is at #6 firing, NOT #1 firing. #1 firing occurs 1 full crank revolution, and ½ of a cam revolution from there, when both dots are at 12:00.

So, the best solution is probably to find #1 firing by way of compression in that cyl, lift the dist out far enough to clear the cam gear, turn the shaft 180°, and drop it back in. It'll "work" if you just move the plug wires around, but they probably won't fit and will end up looking like a giant bird's nest even if they do, so it's better to just do it right.

Pull the #1 spark plug; put a piece of hose in the hole; bump the starter in the smallest possible increments until you start to hear compression escaping through the hose; continue to turn the engine by hand until the timing mark is just barely onto the timing tab; and check that the dist rotor is pointing to the #1 spark plug which should be the one just to the driver's side of straight ahead. Lift it and re-install it at that point if it's not.
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Old Aug 2, 2007 | 04:27 PM
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Re: Trouble with engine start after reassembly

I'd put money on the 180* off too, however
Last thing strange to me is, that when I turn the key in starting position, the minus-cable coming from the firewall and going to the engine gets very hot and smokes a bit.
That worries me. This is the ground from firewall to the back of the cylinder head? I'd replace it. It's just a ground strap, it might have most of its wires cut. That gives a schwack of resistance, especially if you notice it's getting hot. That's a voltage loss for any large draing *cough* starter *cough*
That's a $4 part that i'd throw in at the earliest convenience.
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Old Aug 2, 2007 | 04:34 PM
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Re: Trouble with engine start after reassembly

Originally Posted by HawkeyeGT
Last thing strange to me is, that when I turn the key in starting position, the minus-cable coming from the firewall and going to the engine gets very hot and smokes a bit.
Mine did this on the first couple of turns. My initial timing was way too far advanced, and coupled with new piston rings etc the starter was working against a lot of resistance. Definitely renew the earth straps with heavy duty items, but you'll probably find once the timing is correct it'll be fine.
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Old Aug 2, 2007 | 04:34 PM
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Re: Trouble with engine start after reassembly

How many other grounds do you have connected to the engine?
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Old Aug 2, 2007 | 06:19 PM
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Re: Trouble with engine start after reassembly

Current shouldn't be flowing through that ground strap, regardless. It's not the CAUSE of the problem, it's the VICTIM of a problem that actually resides elsewhere.

Check the negative battery cable and make sure it's connected firmly to its mounting point, with a clean, rust-free connection. That's the REAL problem.
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