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THe only person it needs to be worth it to is you if you like the feeling of going fast and looking good un a car that you had your hands in building and making it your own then build it up but if you wanna go fast and look good with no labor go finance one of those audis your worried,about losing to
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well if you love the car then make it bad *** you sound like you wanna doit but dont have the confidence to venture into the land of go fast lol the internet is a plethra of info just start slow and build it up soon youll be saying what audi you can pm me at any time for help
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I didn't mean to sample an Audi and a 'vette and an M3 and a 911 Turbo. I meant go sample a bunch of different third gen F-cars. One with a big block swap, one with a 383, one with an LSx swap, and one with turbocharging.
Each of these will kill any stock Audi TT, and each can be done on your budget, but each will drive differently. Each has a different character. A different flavor.
Each of these will kill any stock Audi TT, and each can be done on your budget, but each will drive differently. Each has a different character. A different flavor.
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How to win? Play it safe, buy an LS9 crate making 638hp, pour lots of money into supporting modifications (rear end, transmission, chassis, suspension, brakes as a minimum)
Or you could find out exactly which model and trim of Audi you want to beat, look up its specs, and plan your build accordingly. There's tons of information here for those who can find the search button.
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Not cheap if you are looking at all new parts
LS9 crate engine (supercharged version) $20,000
6 speed trans (2-4k)
Upgraded rearend $2000 and up
Sub-frame connectors (depending on what you choose) 4-700 hundred
Tires and other suspension upgrades $2500
Wiring components/adapters/hoses/ecu/other stuff that I am not thinking of 2-5k
Personally, for the price of an LS9 you could get a nice LS1 with upgraded heads/cam and be fairly close to what the LS9 is putting out but less than half the cost. Take a look at the Pace performance web site paceperformance.com. They have a variety of crate engines (from SBC, LT, and LSX) with different power/pricing options
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Not cheap if you are looking at all new parts
LS9 crate engine (supercharged version) $20,000
6 speed trans (2-4k)
Upgraded rearend $2000 and up
Sub-frame connectors (depending on what you choose) 4-700 hundred
Tires and other suspension upgrades $2500
Wiring components/adapters/hoses/ecu/other stuff that I am not thinking of 2-5k
Personally, for the price of an LS9 you could get a nice LS1 with upgraded heads/cam and be fairly close to what the LS9 is putting out but less than half the cost. Take a look at the Pace performance web site paceperformance.com. They have a variety of crate engines (from SBC, LT, and LSX) with different power/pricing options
LS9 crate engine (supercharged version) $20,000
6 speed trans (2-4k)
Upgraded rearend $2000 and up
Sub-frame connectors (depending on what you choose) 4-700 hundred
Tires and other suspension upgrades $2500
Wiring components/adapters/hoses/ecu/other stuff that I am not thinking of 2-5k
Personally, for the price of an LS9 you could get a nice LS1 with upgraded heads/cam and be fairly close to what the LS9 is putting out but less than half the cost. Take a look at the Pace performance web site paceperformance.com. They have a variety of crate engines (from SBC, LT, and LSX) with different power/pricing options
It won't take that much money.LOL
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To have a reliable third gen that will beat an S4, at very least a nice 350 ~300 HP or more and beef up your rear end. It won't cost a fortune and will be a fun car to drive... Just don't hack things as you go like I see happening to a lot of third gens. If you don't go all out to replace the little things (suspension parts, trans mount, etc...) be prepared to spend money over time to correct any issues that arise. Putting down HP without first working on the weaker areas of the car isn't the most pleasant thing! (been there done that!)
I am sorry if I seemed a little negative in my last posts, but your description of the Audi was not clear, and your phrasing gave me the impression you didn't have any true intentions at the time.
I am sorry if I seemed a little negative in my last posts, but your description of the Audi was not clear, and your phrasing gave me the impression you didn't have any true intentions at the time.
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I dont have time to read through all the posts to see if this question has been answered it. WHAT YEAR AN SUBMODEL MODEL IS IT!? Some have 125hp 4 bangers, some have 500HP V10s. What are the specs on your car and what is his!? I can answer this Q easy, as i have a photographic memory on performance automobile statistics.
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He has a stock 2004 s4 the only thing he has done to it has added and muffler system I have a 84 z28 ho but the head gaskets are smoking so ima upgrade to a 350 but I wanted to no how I can make my car faster then my friends s4
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OK. That S4 has around 245hp and 240lb tq give or take a few. 1/4 prob in 14-15.5 second range, 0-60 prob in about 5.4-6.2 seconds. I think that model is RWD but it might be AWD. Eiether way he will have the jump on you on the launch. Now your Z28 even with the 5.0 HO (if you get it in proper working order) should be able to get ahead in the 1/2 mile if you get better exhaust and headers and rear end gears. the audi is heavy. prob weighs about the same as your Camaro (aprox 3450 lbs), even with the small engine. It would be close though, and most likey I'd give it to the audi. However, were you to swap out your engine for even a low HP 350, like the one that's in the 89 IROC-Z (245hp 340 lb tq), and if you got better rear end gears (3.42 would be optimal and easy to find) along with some good tires in the rear, you would kill him. Send me some pics of your car and engine along with some more specs and I could help you more. Also I'm going to refresh my knowlage of the S4 and get you more accurate details. Hope this helps.
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If you want a reallly good 350 for "cheap", visit carolina machine engines (www.cmengines.com). you can get a 350hp Chevy Gen I 350 V8 with 400lbs tq for $2995 AND THAT IS A COMPLETE ENGINE. Plus it comes with a 12000mi 12 month warrenty or 36000mi 36month warenty for $250 more. Great deal, And ALOT of power.
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I laughed about the thread up to here.
From there on I was sorry I wasted my time reading, and now I'm wasting even more replying, but thats life I guess.
@OP, pics of your car please. I doubt you are old enough to drive, which however is only an assumption based on your grammatical talent.
Every car can beat an auddi as there is no such thing.
The internet might have informed you the brand is spelled audi. Even Google (a mindless program) corrects this for you.
Google might also provide the link to Audi's homepage, where you will be able to find which vehicle is their top of the line car, along with a bunch of specs.
Just some numbers. The stock V10 R8 Audi, which can pretty much be considered as top of the line, has 525 HP. For those interested, it's possible to buy one, send it to MTM and get it back with 777 HP and 888 Nm of torque.
After the MTM treatment, which is only fair since you also get a chance to modify your car, you have to beat a car that has a 0-60 time of 3 seconds, a 0-120 of 9,37 seconds and a 0-180mph time of 19.42 seconds.
You'll need more then a 350 to beat those numbers.
The MTM biturbo R8 costs approx. $500 000. Expect to spend about half of that to build a 3rd gen to beat it on straights as well as on the twisties. Buying a GT1 Camaro chassis doesnt help. The audi would beat you stoplight to stoplight since you're not allowed to drive on public roads. I'm not saying it is impossible to beat it however. It just requires some consideration, deep and well filled pockets and the ability to build a perfectly tuned suspension and drivetrain with some 3rd gen sheet metal on top.
From there on I was sorry I wasted my time reading, and now I'm wasting even more replying, but thats life I guess.
@OP, pics of your car please. I doubt you are old enough to drive, which however is only an assumption based on your grammatical talent.
Every car can beat an auddi as there is no such thing.
The internet might have informed you the brand is spelled audi. Even Google (a mindless program) corrects this for you.
Google might also provide the link to Audi's homepage, where you will be able to find which vehicle is their top of the line car, along with a bunch of specs.
Just some numbers. The stock V10 R8 Audi, which can pretty much be considered as top of the line, has 525 HP. For those interested, it's possible to buy one, send it to MTM and get it back with 777 HP and 888 Nm of torque.
After the MTM treatment, which is only fair since you also get a chance to modify your car, you have to beat a car that has a 0-60 time of 3 seconds, a 0-120 of 9,37 seconds and a 0-180mph time of 19.42 seconds.
You'll need more then a 350 to beat those numbers.
The MTM biturbo R8 costs approx. $500 000. Expect to spend about half of that to build a 3rd gen to beat it on straights as well as on the twisties. Buying a GT1 Camaro chassis doesnt help. The audi would beat you stoplight to stoplight since you're not allowed to drive on public roads. I'm not saying it is impossible to beat it however. It just requires some consideration, deep and well filled pockets and the ability to build a perfectly tuned suspension and drivetrain with some 3rd gen sheet metal on top.
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Whether right or wrong, some people, myself included will get a bit "snide" with some replies. How many times must "what's the best exhaust" question be posted? Or, questions about how to make a smog era engine/drivetrain perform like the new generation stuff.
When those with experience answer, and provide valuable insight along with projected costs, many times we get attacked because some teenage poster read on xxx forum or had a friend who said they heard that you could do a LS1 swap for $1,000 soup to nuts and junkyard engines are just swell.
If it were me, i'd take a long hard look at your vehicle and stop worrying about stupid street racing. A new Accord or Camry will smoke your car. You must deal with that. It means nothing about your manhood or status within the human race. Your car needs paint and body work. Why not focus on that stuff? You could spend a small fortune getting your car to perform like modern cars if you want to do it correctly. Vehicles with nice paint and interior sell quicker, receive more compliments than junky looking vehicles but with big HP.
And this Audi that you just have to beat; why not ask the owner how he likes paying $200 or so for an alternator while you can get one for a little over $50. Take pride in what you have and make it look better. There will always be a faster vehicle that you just need to "beat". I assure you, that urge will wane as you mature and realize that you could actually kill or injure other people and stop thinking only you reside on the planet
Let me be very clear. I was once 17. I owend a fast car that I worked on starting when I was 14. My very good friend also had a fast car. Honestly, I would not street race. We had a vacant private airport in our town and that is where we would run. One day, my friend decided that he could not wait to go to the airport. I still miss him to this day and believe his early departure also was the reason his parents died young.
As for the girl who was in front and not wearing her seatbelt, she survived if you want to call it that.
So, maybe before you go on the attack/counter-attack at people who are helping you for FREE, consider that they just may have experience and know excatly what you are doing or where you are in your young life.
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their covers look almost like they came from the factory. The vinyl looks like leather and they have a little extra padding. They aren't cheap so put them on your XMAS list and maybe mom/dad will buy them. They are slip over style covers but fit like a glove. I put them on my 4th gen but on my 3rd gen I reskinned the seats (got a great deal on leather)
next, hook up with 1adan and buy a new carpet for the front section. You will be surprised at the odors that go away and how much better the interior immediately looks
if your steering wheel is worn, then back to amazon and get a steering wheel cover from wheelskins. You lace up the cover and it looks like factory
Do you notice that i made no mention about performance. You want people to be comfortable in your car and crappy seats or seat covers, worn rug and people think it's junk.
After all of that, spend a few weekends sanding the car, gettng rid of the rust and then rattle can primer it. Then lightly wet sand with 400 or 600 and take it to MAACO for a cheap same-color paint job.
You should be able to do all of the things I wrote for under $1k (maybe barely under but you're there)and you will be floored by the transformation of the car
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You have a T5? That helps so long as you know how to use it properly. Edge: Camaro. Manual trans. is best for drag racing.
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Heh, unless he lives in an area like Sussex County.
That was a fun night, I'm curious what it'd be like now with the 6 speed. The little Mustang really hauls past 110 now, with the .79 5th compared to the TR-3650's steep .67 5th.
That was a fun night, I'm curious what it'd be like now with the 6 speed. The little Mustang really hauls past 110 now, with the .79 5th compared to the TR-3650's steep .67 5th.
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Me and ninetyone decided to meet up and run my '01 Mustang GT against his L98 Firebird. Neither of us were letting off on one of the runs, so I wanted to stay ahead, and grabbed 5th gear. We ran them up to like 130 MPH.
I imagine it looked like this. Not enough power to pull decently in 6th yet, makes me sad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD_crkPD1bs
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No. You should be fine. But when doing an engine swap ALWAYS consult a trasmission expert. There certain things, like throttle body linkages that you need an expert to put togethor correctly. Yours should be fine for 400+ HP since my 700R4 is rated to 400. Consult an expert though. Also was it rebuilt recently?
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for obvious reasons it'll handle the power better
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It'll be one heck of a project for sure.
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You are in Boston bro? I work in Boston and live right outside of it. If you want ideas you should check out my car. I am pretty sure the way my car is built is similar to what you are looking for. I am getting it back in a couple weeks from a shop in Western Mass, should be a beast.
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You are in Boston bro? I work in Boston and live right outside of it. If you want ideas you should check out my car. I am pretty sure the way my car is built is similar to what you are looking for. I am getting it back in a couple weeks from a shop in Western Mass, should be a beast.
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heres how you win...spend 2-3 k on a cadillac 500 bigblock and trans,go threw it heads headers carb freshen up trans and build uup rear end and shocks,and you will win easy.may need to fab mounts and tq arm but theres no doubt youll whop him.the 1970 caddy 500 had 400 hp and 550 tq heres the kicker...it weighs 60 lbs more than a 350 sbc... these are my plans for my car
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I have to admit. That's a great Idea. I wouldn't do it though. And if you had more research and info presented on how one might go about doing this, and problems that may accur, i would be more supportive of the idea.
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heres how you win...spend 2-3 k on a cadillac 500 bigblock and trans,go threw it heads headers carb freshen up trans and build uup rear end and shocks,and you will win easy.may need to fab mounts and tq arm but theres no doubt youll whop him.the 1970 caddy 500 had 400 hp and 550 tq heres the kicker...it weighs 60 lbs more than a 350 sbc... these are my plans for my car
Is it higher or lower then the SBC?
When fabricating mounts, how much further back in the car and lower in the engine bay can you place this bigblock compared to the SBC?
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No. You should be fine. But when doing an engine swap ALWAYS consult a trasmission expert. There certain things, like throttle body linkages that you need an expert to put togethor correctly. Yours should be fine for 400+ HP since my 700R4 is rated to 400. Consult an expert though. Also was it rebuilt recently?
2. T5's weren't put on L98 cars for a reason. I wish I could remember exactly, but I think they're only rated for about 300 lb/ft of torque and that's it. A stock IROC 350 will tear them up.
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The T5 holds up just fine under 300+ horsepower. You will blow your rear end before your blow the tranny unless you don't know how to shift. I had my tranny rebuilt with a new gear set just in case, but when I looked at the original gears inside they were just fine. If you have a 10 bolt (7.5" ring gear) rear end, that will need some help. I had mine rebuilt with an Eaton dif and stronger gears. I probably should have gone with a 4th gen rear but I am stubborn.
To answer the question of what I had done to my car...
I had the suspension fully rebuilt with all the rubbers replaced with poly... New bearings all around, new springs and struts. Lower rear control arms, and UMI subframe connectors. Everything underneath the car that could fit in a sandblasting cabinet was sandblasted and painted.
Next I had the rear end rebuilt with the Eaton detroit locker rear dif and gears... T5 fully rebuilt and stronger gears installed, and PRO 5.0 shifter.
Engine freshen up (new 3" exhaust) crappy headers replaced with new ones, New poly engine mounts, downgraded from a racing clutch to a street clutch, MSD Pro Billet HEI distributor and had the intake manifold reinstalled. Higher volume Edelbrock fuel pump (My top end issues were due to my old pump barely putting out enough pressure and she was leaning out hard)
and a bunch of other little cosmetic crap...
To answer the question of what I had done to my car...
I had the suspension fully rebuilt with all the rubbers replaced with poly... New bearings all around, new springs and struts. Lower rear control arms, and UMI subframe connectors. Everything underneath the car that could fit in a sandblasting cabinet was sandblasted and painted.
Next I had the rear end rebuilt with the Eaton detroit locker rear dif and gears... T5 fully rebuilt and stronger gears installed, and PRO 5.0 shifter.
Engine freshen up (new 3" exhaust) crappy headers replaced with new ones, New poly engine mounts, downgraded from a racing clutch to a street clutch, MSD Pro Billet HEI distributor and had the intake manifold reinstalled. Higher volume Edelbrock fuel pump (My top end issues were due to my old pump barely putting out enough pressure and she was leaning out hard)
and a bunch of other little cosmetic crap...
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