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Old Oct 4, 2011 | 08:23 PM
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engine or trans issue?

got an 84 camaro 355 sbc engine,700r4 trans with 3000 stall conv.
the trans also has a shift kit,corvette srvo, vane upgrade, new input sprag, and rebuild.
the issue im having is the transshift fine threw all the gears and while in third gear about 5000rpm and 65mph the car acts like it hits a rev limiter and doesnt wanna accelerate anymore. what would cause that? i have no upgraded ignition or msd to provoke that. anyone have a solution? thanks
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Old Oct 4, 2011 | 09:08 PM
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Re: engine or trans issue?

Could be several things, not enough fuel, coil not keeping up, ignition module, not enough valve spring for the cam, need more specifics on the combo
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Old Oct 5, 2011 | 07:55 PM
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Car: 1984 chevy camaro
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Transmission: turbo 350 2800 stall
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Re: engine or trans issue?

its got the edelbrock performer rpm cam, summit flat top pistons,pink rods, edelbrock valve springs. hypertech d.u.i cap and rotor, accell 8mm wires, ac delco plugs, accel distributor, edelbrock performer intake and carb set a 6psi... still not sure what causes the issue
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Old Oct 6, 2011 | 06:42 PM
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Re: engine or trans issue?

anybody.....?
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Old Oct 11, 2011 | 06:48 PM
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anybody?????? would governor cause this? i dont think it was ever changed from the 305 springs and weights
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Old Oct 23, 2011 | 07:27 AM
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Car: 1984 chevy camaro
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Transmission: turbo 350 2800 stall
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Re: engine or trans issue?

does a car have a stock rev limiter?
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Old Oct 23, 2011 | 10:14 AM
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Car: 1988 Trans Am GTA
Engine: 350 4BBL
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.27
Re: engine or trans issue?

Is this a big cap dizzy with vacuum advance?
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Old Oct 23, 2011 | 10:35 AM
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Re: engine or trans issue?

Originally Posted by Supervisor42
Is this a big cap dizzy with vacuum advance?
yes it has a vaccum advance distributor.
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Old Oct 24, 2011 | 06:26 PM
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Re: engine or trans issue?

Originally Posted by Supervisor42
Is this a big cap dizzy with vacuum advance?
what would the vaccum advance dizzy do to make it do that?
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Old Oct 24, 2011 | 08:47 PM
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Car: 1988 Trans Am GTA
Engine: 350 4BBL
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.27
Re: engine or trans issue?

Originally Posted by billybob6110
what would the vaccum advance dizzy do to make it do that?
Some people don't realize the small cap has to have an ECM to advance the timing and try to use one without it, (forklifts do) but the timing being stationary affects higher RPM greatly.
Just wanted to rule that out.
I think Hipster is right that it is a fuel delivery problem.
It's pretty hard to put an inline pressure gauge in a carb setup, but the symptoms you describe are at max fuel demand at the carb.
Need to take the 50/50 and get the fuel pressure at max demand.
If it goes lean it will do exactly as you describe with backfiring if you keep holding it down. If it runs past 5K easily in first and 2nd gear, it isn't the ignition.
You mention carb set at 6 psi. Does this car have an in-tank fuel pump?
Trying to pull gas thru one that is powered off will do what you describe.
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Old Oct 24, 2011 | 09:04 PM
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Re: engine or trans issue?

Originally Posted by billybob6110
in third gear about 5000rpm and 65mph
What rear gears are in this car?
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Old Oct 25, 2011 | 09:03 PM
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Re: engine or trans issue?

i got an inline gauge, and its set at 6psi. i have a race pump 140 gph thats an inline electric no in tank pump. and it has stock rearend i think 3.08 or 3.23 gears
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Old Oct 25, 2011 | 09:17 PM
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Car: 1988 Trans Am GTA
Engine: 350 4BBL
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.27
Re: engine or trans issue?

Originally Posted by billybob6110
i got an inline gauge, and its set at 6psi. i have a race pump 140 gph thats an inline electric no in tank pump. and it has stock rearend i think 3.08 or 3.23 gears
Damn. Ya got me stumped. Short of putting it on a dyno and watching the timing light and exhaust gasses when it lays down, I don't know what to tell ya.
EDIT: On second thought, exhaust back-pressure (partially clogged cat) or wrong stock heads could also cause this.

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Old Oct 26, 2011 | 10:16 AM
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Car: 1985 Sport Coupe
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Transmission: 4th-gen WC T5
Axle/Gears: 3.27 BW Limited
Re: engine or trans issue?

Originally Posted by billybob6110
3.08 or 3.23 gears
Then how are you doing five grand at 65mph in third?
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Old Oct 26, 2011 | 07:26 PM
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From: alliance, ohio
Car: 1984 chevy camaro
Engine: 355
Transmission: turbo 350 2800 stall
Axle/Gears: 3:73 detroit locker posi
Re: engine or trans issue?

Originally Posted by Aaron_SK
Then how are you doing five grand at 65mph in third?
exactly my question and topic
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Old Oct 26, 2011 | 07:27 PM
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Re: engine or trans issue?

Originally Posted by Supervisor42
Damn. Ya got me stumped. Short of putting it on a dyno and watching the timing light and exhaust gasses when it lays down, I don't know what to tell ya.
EDIT: On second thought, exhaust back-pressure (partially clogged cat) or wrong stock heads could also cause this.
thats why im confused. i have straight pipes to dynomax bullets....dam car
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Old Oct 26, 2011 | 08:26 PM
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Re: engine or trans issue?

Is this just another 700 with the 3-4 clutches burnt? 'Cause the only way you're getting that engine speed with that wheel speed is if you have rear axle gears in the 5.3x range, or if you're trans is slipping BAD.
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Old Oct 26, 2011 | 10:01 PM
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Car: 1988 Trans Am GTA
Engine: 350 4BBL
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.27
Re: engine or trans issue?

Originally Posted by Aaron_SK
Then how are you doing five grand at 65mph in third?
It must be in second. Looking back at my videos, I'm at 65 @ 5K in second with a 700R4 and 3.27's .
Still, the problem is the same. If it lays down, something is happening that we should be able to put our finger on.
If the trans was slipping, he'd be redlining the motor dragging a cloud of trans smoke.
Aaron_SK may have touched on a point though; what if the tranny started to engage third and didn't release second? It's a stretch I know, but the 700R4 does much different things at WOT than part throttle such as use way more pressure. Also trans mods were done...
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Old Oct 28, 2011 | 12:49 PM
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Re: engine or trans issue?

Originally Posted by Supervisor42
It must be in second. Looking back at my videos, I'm at 65 @ 5K in second with a 700R4 and 3.27's .
Still, the problem is the same. If it lays down, something is happening that we should be able to put our finger on.
If the trans was slipping, he'd be redlining the motor dragging a cloud of trans smoke.
Aaron_SK may have touched on a point though; what if the tranny started to engage third and didn't release second? It's a stretch I know, but the 700R4 does much different things at WOT than part throttle such as use way more pressure. Also trans mods were done...
i took it to a dueche bag builder and im not even sure if he messed with the govenor or not. would the governor not let it hold third that high if its not calibrated?
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