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Old Dec 31, 2017 | 03:11 PM
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What determines a hose needing a clamp or not?

I was just wondering today as I was replacing vacuum hoses and vapor hoses for the charcoal canister...how does GM determine if a hose needs no clamp, a cheap spring clamp or a screw clamp for the smaller hoses? I was thinking maybe fuel hoses got the screw clamps, vapor hoses got the cheap spring clamps and vacuum-only got no clamps at all (if they fit really tight) but the canister hoses are like half and half and some of my vacuum-only hoses do have clamps. I would think every hose would get some kind of clamp but that obviously is not true on my oem tbi setup.
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Old Dec 31, 2017 | 03:21 PM
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Re: What determines a hose needing a clamp or not?

If the line pulls vacuum, it generally does not need any clamp force to retain
On a turbo car, where systems see positive manifold pressure, many connections are secured w clamps.

So under pressure, clamp. No pressure or vacuum, clamp. How much, depends on what's used.
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Old Jan 1, 2018 | 12:38 PM
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Re: What determines a hose needing a clamp or not?

Basically what he said.

I will add that these are THE professional way to clamp boosted application vacuum lines:

https://www.amazon.com/Oetiker-Stepless-OET070170-300PCK-Assortment-without/dp/B00QK3V4PG/ref=pd_sim_328_2?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00QK3V4PG&pd_rd_r=S7TN3Q608V73PDS86466&pd_rd_w=a08ty&pd_rd_wg=G2dkk&psc=1&refRID=S7TN3Q608V73PDS86466 https://www.amazon.com/Oetiker-Stepless-OET070170-300PCK-Assortment-without/dp/B00QK3V4PG/ref=pd_sim_328_2?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00QK3V4PG&pd_rd_r=S7TN3Q608V73PDS86466&pd_rd_w=a08ty&pd_rd_wg=G2dkk&psc=1&refRID=S7TN3Q608V73PDS86466


And you want 50psi rated silicone also. XRP in California is our supplier. Very reasonable for bulk 50psi rated vacuum line.

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Old Jan 1, 2018 | 12:45 PM
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Re: What determines a hose needing a clamp or not?

I would add also that the "cheap" spring type clamp is WORLDS BETTER than the worm gear type in most situations; not least because, it's impossible for it to lose clamping tension by way of the hose material compressing underneath it and causing a leak. Too bad they can be such a PITA to get on and off during service.
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Old Jan 1, 2018 | 10:45 PM
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Re: What determines a hose needing a clamp or not?

Most vacuum lines aren't under enough pressure to be a problem. Even on a boosted application, if small diameter vacuum line is properly sized to the barb it's pushed onto, it's not going to blow off without a clamp.

Boosted 23psi in my Mustang, and I don't think that car has a single vacuum line under 3/8" diameter with a clamp on it. Blew the silicone coupler and T-bolt clamp off the throttlebody one time, but have never blown a reference line.
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Old Jan 3, 2018 | 03:18 PM
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Re: What determines a hose needing a clamp or not?

Good info thanks guys!
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