WHEN VOTING, PLEASE REMEMBER THE COST!!!!! LS6 converions are obviously going to cost more than a 350 TPI conversion. A 350 TPI conversion will cost more than the 350 TBI conversion, and a 305 TBI upgrade should cost less than the rest because no new block/crank/rods, etc, would be necessary.


I don't know about you guys, but I'm sick and tired of being left out by GM. Especially us 305 TBI guys. Honda's Civic SI puts out 160 HP while we're trying for the factory 170. I'm tired of getting beat, and I don't have a ton of money for a 350, a TPI kit, or a bunch of custom programming.

Looking through the GMPP catalog, nothing in there is for out use outside of blocks and cranks. Everything is illegal on the street. I'd love to see a ZZ4 conversion for us 5.0 TBI guys, putting out about 350hp and costing no more than $4500!!! They have one for the carbed F-bodys, and they're not even the most popular years! I'd love it if they kept the TBI, gave us a ZZ4 or something with Vortec heads, their new street legal TBI intake and a chip to plug into our computers to make it all work. BTW, the Vortec heads would then be legal because the EGR gas could be routed from the headers.

I believe we Third-genners have a wish to hot rod our cars, and GM isn't helping us out. Where's the support like the 5.0 Stang crowd has??? There isn't any. I would love to see at least some sign that GM recognizes us and is going to supoort us as much as we support them. I'm tired of backing up my 5.0 Camaro when I'm getting my butt kicked all day by the stang guys. GM needs to help us out and offer a REASONABLY prices package to help us out and they need to do it NOW.

Anything can be done, but most of us don't have the money to spend $3000 on a TPI conversion from TPIS or Accel, and the Accel kit isn't even street legal. The TPIS kit is just a reconditined GM kit. Edelbrock hasn't done much to help us either. TPIS' Mini-Ram isn't street legal. Aftermarket heads and intakes for 305 TBI cars are hard to find, all I want from GM is some relatively INEXPENSIVE way to get our cars producing at least 275hp. So what if we're lacking a quarter-inch of bore, we've got the stroke for the torque, and the 5.0 Stang guys aren't running 2.02/1.6 valves and they're whooping my butt.

If I had my way, I put an aluminum small block under the hood with some AFRs and a STREET LEGAL GM fuel injection system, however we're talking thousands and thousands of dollars. That's not practical for me now, but I still want power. I'd like to hear what you all have to say so we can try and get some GM support on this.

 

btt, and how do you make a post STICKY so it'll stay at the top?

 

How long have you thought this out? GM would never make conversions for the LS1 or such things for a third gen fbody. If you don't have a ton of money, don't mod you car and don't ask GM to do anything for you. Not everything is illegal. If you want a zz4, switch to carb! Carbs are a thousand times as popular as tpi or tbi, that's why GM produces performance parts for them. GM will not make anything you demand, they don't care about you. They care about selling cars, that's why there will be no more f-bodies, they don't sell! If you don't like getting beat, get off your computer and get out in the garage. You could switch to TPI for less than 500 bucks if you would look around, you don't HAVE to buy some overpriced accel parts. You've got plenty of parts available to you, so go look for them. Going fast is NOT INEXPENSIVE.

 

Only moderators have the power to make sticky's . Wouldn't be fair if everyone did. Then everything would stay at the top and wouldn't work out.

 

rezinn,

Well, you are wrong about switching to a carb being legal, if your car came with FI it is illegal to remove it because the FI is considered part of the emissions system.

You are right about GM not caring. GM could have cared less about performance cars in genereal. Let's not forget that they were going to kill the Vette before the C5 came out and a few engineers were able to save it.

I think they are a lot of people out there looking for speed for thirdgens and not finding nearly as much support as the Mustang guys have.

As far as telling me to get off my computer and out in the garage, I've spent a lot of time on my car. I installed the headers and cat-back myself, the Crane Cam, the springs, locks, retainers and seals were all done in my driveway. I've got an intake waiting to go on, but I've got to start getting a custom chip because my computer is already unhappy with my cam. Hopefully I'll be able to throw some WP S/R Torquer 305s on to round things out since the heads GM gave us suck. After doing all that, the car still isn't very fast, granted I haven't changed the most important parts yet, the heads and chip. I think GM could make a lot of money offering parts to us thirdgenners. I don't exactly like the path I had to take, but I didn't have the money for an emissions legal 350, nor do I like buying used part, especially used TPI systems. Oh yeah, I've also got Richmond 373s in the back, Moser race axles, and Torsen posi.

Also, I don't see why they wouldn't make an LS1 conversion for F-bodys, they sell an LS1 ready to go in the GMPP magazine. However all I want for it to have is the Corvette emissions included (which to my knowledge isn't much) and some F-body motor mounts. An easy way to get at the programming would help.

You're right in that I hadn't thought this out much, I was just pissed last night and felt like doing something. If I worked at GM, I'd start supporting the F-bodys the way Ford supports their Stang. I feel left out by GM and sometimes the Ford guys are right when they say that GM doesn't care. Just as one last example, a Ford hydraulic roller cam costs about $150, we have to pay about $250 or better from GM to get one, except for the LT4 cam, which isn't that great anyways. Ford GT-40 heads are cheap, and they flow great, in fact they dont cost too much more than Vortecs, with one key difference, they're street legal. Granted you can make Vortecs street legal, after you buy GM $300 intake, and about $80 worth of pipe and junk to connect the EGR system to your headers. Come on! Then we'll need a custom chip to make it work, Stang guys can buy MAF conversions for $500, once again street legal. Granted MAF isn't perfect, and it does flow less than SD, but it's better than spending $350 a pop for a custom chip.