My buddy wants to race me in his 69' camaro z28. He has a solid lift Crower cam .444/.464 lift. Stock fully ported Fuelie heads, Brodix dual plane intake, 750 double pumper, 10:1 compression, MSD Dual Point Distributor with 6AL Ignition box with 6000rpm rev limiter and 1 3/4 primary headers that go into dual 3 in. exhaust with no cats and dynomax ulltra flows. He is also running a 4-speed muncie with a hurst V-gate shifter and 4:11 gears in the rear. Here is his engine, who would win?

 

I'm thinking the '69 will win.

 

i second that.

 

Wait a minute, this guy has a 6000rpm limiter on his 302? Did I read that right? He's missing that fat part of his powerband.

 

He says it's a 412 ci in his other post. I don't know if all of the 69 Zs had 302s. All I know is that it was an option along with 4 wheel discs from '67-70(is that right?). Anyway, the engine isn't stock so oh well. Both of you have too much power to base the race off of that. It'll be a driver's race.

 

It depends on your rear gear too. If it is anything less than 3.73 and you don't have posi, you will be playing catch up and that can be hard. Unless of course he just sits there and spins...



~Matt

 

I have 3.23 gears in my rear and yes it is a posi. His engine is a professionally built 412.

 

I'm seeing no chance for you.

 

All 67-69 Z28's had the 302's as the only engine available.

 

Oh yeah and I'm thinking you will get creamed.

 

So when did they start offering them w/ big blocks? Or was that SS or RS cars that came that way? GM confuses me so much with the options on their cars.

 

Anyone know of any upgrades i could do so i could be able to beat the Camaro. new gears in the rear?

 

The reason the Z28's could be had with only the 302 is because it was sanctioned for Trans Am racing which had a cubic inch restriction of 305ci. In 1970 1/2 the Z28 got the LT1, but the street version of the Z28 wasn't as close to the race version as it was in 67-69, so it merely became a suspension, engine and appearance package in 70 1/2.

 

hey what about the copo camaro's and the zl1 camaro. also i thought the z28 also had the option on the 350. becuz watchin car and driver, on there camaro episode they did they had a 1968 or 69 i think z28 with a 350 engine.

 

The COPO's and ZL1's had the 427 and didn't share any Z28 parts. And the Z28 in the years of 67-69 didnt have any other engine other than the 302 because it was used in Trans Am racing which had a 305ci restriction. To be eligable to race in the TA series, it needed to be a production car.

 

I know the 69 Z28's had 350's it was a 300 horse power 350, I know because I have one of these sitting between the fenders of my 82 Z . I took the numbers to the dealer and thats what he told me. And for the production thing I think they had to make at least 5000 302 camaros to be classified as a production car.
Anyways thats my .02
Iroc 22 they only had 302's in 69

Digger

 

412 vs. 350? Vortec .vs. fully ported fuelie heads...

I don't think there's anything short of nos or forced induction that you could do to beat him. His 4.10's are gonna take you off the start and that engine is gonna just keep pulling on you.

302's came on 67-69 Z28's as an RPO. there were only 602 Z28's built in 67 and all had the 302. In the following years thought he Z28 could be ordered with the 302,327, and 350. regular camaros started with the 307. While engine upgrades could be ordered. The ss camaro could have optioned for the 396 from 67-69. The 302 was only available with the Z28 option.

 

If anyone would like to see what the Camaro's Engine looks like please tell me your e-mail and i will send it to you because it is too big to put on the message board.

 

There's no question that the 67-69 Z28's were only available with the 302. Only the 302.

The 350ci 300hp enigne you are referring to was available with the SS not the Z28.

 

The 1967-69 Z-28 came ONLY with the 302. NO OTHER ENGINE.

1970-1/2 Z-28 was available ONLY with the 350 LT-1 (which continued through 1973 but became weaker each year).

No 1975 or '76 Z-28s.

The Z-28 returned in mid-year 1977, again with a 350.

The only size engine in a Z-28 was the 350 until 1982 when the 305 was all that was offered.

The 350 became available again in model year 1987.

What is really funny is seeing a '69 Z-28 with single leaf springs.
"Yeah, its all original!" SURE!

Even though the 1969 model year ran a year and a half, there are probably more 1969 Z-28s on the road right now than rolled out of the factory. Hmmm.

jms

 

Absolutely, Completely, Totally, Incorrect. 1st Gen Z/28's were 302's.

 

Also, how about all of the 4 wheel manual drum brake SS's and Z/28's out there? You said it best there are probably more '69 Z/28's and SS' out there now than were ever made.

 

Hmmm, learn something new everyday....Never really thought about what a Z-28 came with, now that I think about it, every piece of literature I've read said something along the lines that the optional engines were in the SS and what-not...I think people are getting Z-28 mixed up with every camaro produced from 67-69.

 

Originally posted by Digger
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I know the 69 Z28's had 350's it was a 300 horse power 350, I know because I have one of these sitting between the fenders of my 82 Z . I took the numbers to the dealer and thats what he told me.
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Absolutely, Completely, Totally, Incorrect. 1st Gen Z/28's were 302's

Your right, I overlooked the fact that there were other camaros built than the Z/28.

Digger

 

But what a way to die. Makes me think of a car a friend of mine has.
1972 Ford Mustang Coupe, 428 CJ V8, Auto, 4.11
750DP Holley 4bbl, 292/302 lift, headers, duals, electronic ignition, shift kit, 3500 stall torque converter...and that's about all I can remember. My Olds will be preety fast, because of a few things slowing me down, it will be done and broken in by next spring at the latest. Anyway, it will be pretty quick, 14s I should say with about 260 hp. But this thing will fry my Olds like I'm on the side of the road changing a tire. But there is just one little sad problem. The Mustang is very ill. Very. Needs a rebuild herself.