Ok. Just for fun, me and a buddy of mine might race my camaro against his EXTREMELY built up mustang gt w/ a supercharger and just a crap load of mods . I know i'm gonna loose horribly and i dont care, but is there anyway i can loose gracefully? My best bet at looking good is taking him off the line when hes probably gonna break traction cause hes pushing 349hp to the wheels. What can i do to at least take him off the line if thats even possible?

 

jump the light?

go buy a n20 kit real quick and surprise the heck outa him

 

Well since all 5.0's run at least an 11.00 all "stock," that car should be really fast by now!! LOL, j/k M*****g guys, kinda.

I think even if the car doesn't hook he's gonna jump ahead!! But if its just for fun whatever.

 

What you do is quickly buy a GN motor and quickly drop it into your RS. Otherwise, you can always put a lot of lead weights and cinder blocks in the back of his car so he can not move. Honestly, if he is pushing 349 to the wheels, than there is no way you can get him off the line unless he decides to heat his tires up when he is racing you.

 

Truely your best bet is jumping the light. I just learned last week here on this site that a Mustang LX with a 5.0 (4.9 truely but that's Ford) stock with 2 spark plug wires pulled can run circles around a 5.7 TPI w/ mods . j/k Ford Boys you know I like you, the only way I wouldn't like you is if you were import ricers.

Later, Garrett

 

hey camaro i like dat gurls ***
as for the race 2 words
u lose
sorry buddy but u would lose

 

Oh, i know i will just get totally destroyed, we're just doing it for the sure hell of it, i was just hoping there was someway i could take him off the line...maybe he'll give me a headstart:sillylol: oh well, thanx for the respsonses

 

Jump the gun!!!

HAHAHAHAHA, how come you have believed us for 6 months, but now all of a sudden you don't. What if I get a few 12 second Stang guys to post some slips, or do you have to see the car in person, and then say it is not stock still!!!

 

Mustang5.0 I hope that wasn't directed at me. Because if it was I will be very unhappy and I have never said anything bad about you, but don't come around here telling us about 12 sec. Mustang and producing slips, I'll gaurentee that there are just as many 12 sec Camaro's as Mustangs (Or maybe not the Camaro's aren't 12's their 11's).

I don't understand your attitude but take a pill and ease up.
Later, Garrett

 

By the way, when i said mustang gt i meant a 2000 mustang gt w/ the 4.6l...i'm sure it makes NO difference either way, but just lettting u guys all know. its also a convertable

 

There are tons of 12 and faster Mustangs, but we are saying stock motor, and I haven't even seen a stock motored L98 go faster than 14.8! Whether I am looking in the right places or not but at LVD I have never seen it or heard of it! I have never even seen a stock motored LS1 do it, but knowing what I know about Stangs I don't deny they could!

I am not starting a fight, just letting you guys know that there are things Mustangs do that you will not believe, but they do it, and more than one does it!!!

 

krazzycowgirl has a 88 i beleive l98 iroc she ran a 14.6 and my lb9 t-5 ran a 14.7 so far

 

Whatever you do, DON'T jump the light...that would just make you look like a big puss. I HATE it when people jump the light!

I've been in two races where the other car has TOTALLY blown the light, and coincidentally enough they were both against Camaros...a red 3rd gen and a white 4th gen. I'm not talking about "barely" jumping the light either, I'm talking about a full-bore take-off almost right after the cross-lights go yellow. I had time to count 1-Mississippi 2-Mississipi between them taking off and the damn light turning green.

It was satisfying to reel them in down the road, but I still felt cheated. If you are going to lose, it's better to lose without cheating and at least retain a shred of dignity. DON'T JUMP THE LIGHT!

 

LOL we appreciate the heads up!

To be honest, about 6 months ago I believed in most of the stuff that was being said about the fox bodies.
how fast a tweaked fox can go while still being 'stock'...

This year I actually went racing.. my bubble was burst.

the thing is, TONS of mustang guys on the internet with head swaps, cam swap, headers, intake and still try to claim the car is stock. why? because you didn't remove the block yet? please!

or they remove 500+lbs, add some gears and slicks, trailer it to the track then tell everyone his stock stang ran low 12's.


At the track this year I was easily outnumbered 5:1 fox:thirdgen
at every race event.

every stang I've raced or compared slips with... I could easily embarrass them all by mentioning how little I spent on my car and still be able to pull .5+ sec on them.
I've raced or compared slips with a supercharged TFS headed stang, a gt40 headed stang on slicks, an edebrock perf rpm headed stang, another TFS headed stang lightened with major suspension work, a 'nag with gears and exhaust.
Most of them had every bolton installed.. only the supercharged stang could pull a better mph, a whooping 3mph

if anything MY car is stock! I have factory GM heads still... factory bottom end... full interior.. stock suspension...
and I do NOT consider it to be awfully quick....

Don't be scared of the 5.0's guys
they AREN'T all that.

 

here we go again...

 

I this stock enough or do we have to go more stock for you!!!

 

Come on you guys. Stock is Showroom car. No mods at all. OK let it go. No Mustang ran 12's Stock. No Camaro Ran 12's Stock.
Later, Garrett

 

 

 

The way i see it, there will never be a definite answer to "which car is faster", there are way too many variables.

we should all just be happy that f-body's and mustangs are for the most part relatively fast and nice looking cars.

 

Probably because he went out and actually raced a few stangs

I believed a lot of the internet bs too until I went out and raced some stangs for real.

 

not trying to start **** here but the fox body 5.0 mustangs at my track are all high 14 low 15 cars too, big deal people dont know how to drive. well kept thirdgens are rare, but i have yet to see a fast 5.0 at my track. there is a high 15 second 95 at my track with "dubs", a GT 5.0 running 14.9's and some other fox bodies even slower. dont tell me your cars are godly, everyone knows 5.0's and L98's run neck and neck.

 

I race with stang guys almost every weekend AT THE TRACK, not on the street. I said STOCK MOTOR how many time must I say this to get it through some of your thick heads, the exhaust and gears and tires and weight do not have anything to do with a motor! Obviousely you don't understand or you choose not to face the truth that the 5.0 Mustang on a stock MOTOR has much more potential than an L98!!! Is that what it is, I will see with the next few posts!!!

 

Come on now. It's one thing to inform people of what a stock motored 5.0 can do, but now you're going a little far. I have little doubt in my mind that a person could do the same thing (stock motored 12's) with the L98. The automatic transmission would be the limiting factor here (although I believe it could be done with the auto), but with a 5/6 speed swap it shouldn't be very hard at all.

 

whoa, whoa, whoa, hold up now. The L98 I would have to put into the same category as a 302.

You put exhaust, gears and TC on a 350 L98 and it will keep up with any similarly modded 302, even beat it. If the 302 won, I would give that to weight advantage, since you are talking about the 2 motors to be specific, might as well compare them in evenly matched vehicle weights.

 

Ford called the 302 a 5.0 instead of a 4.9 because ford already had a 4.9L engine. They had a 300 cubic inch Inline 6 that came out first and took the 4.9L name. To keep from confusing the two, Ford dubbed the 302 a 5.0



As for the rest of this thread...i'm not even gonna comment because this thread is a flamefest and I am satisfied with the lenght of my ***** and don't need to prove it to all you

 

lol.

 

Mustang 5L5, I am also happy with the size of my *****, but I feel that the definition of stock is bone stock no mods at all. As for the 4.9 to 5.0 comment I'm sorry if I sounded like as A$$ but I didn't know why they would do that, Now I know (Thank you for clearing that up).
I feel that the Mustang is the main reason the Camaro exists so I can't rip on them too hard and I don't. But what really eeerks me is when someone says there Stock 5.0 runs 12's, without describing what their definition of stock is.
Later, Garrett

 

just something i must say here. i have been here for long enough to know who the troublemakeers at this site are, and i believe i as well as everyone else appreciate the help and honest opinions that the fox body guys (mainly NIC and some others) that hang around here give and offer. i was skeptical at first when the 5.0 stang guys started showing up, but i have grown to see they are here to help and contribute. this is one of the first stupid and ignorant comments i have ever seen on these boards from one of the mustang guys and it is really dissapointing to me to think that things may have changed.

 

Notice i said Fox body guys, there are some people running around on these boards with newer Mustangs (cough 99) that make stupid comments left and right.

 

lol, had to say something didn't ya.

 

 

My reply wasn't really aimed at you so i hope you didn't get a know-it-all impression from me. I just kind said it as general information and quoted you so people would know what the hell i was talking about


As for MY definition of stock...i dunno. Some might think my car is stock. Me..i don't think it's stock at all. I could care less. Rung what you brung and hope you brung enough. We all know this thread will just get people pissed off at each other. I don't want that and I may have my opinions on the subject but they are not important enough to jeopordize my relationship with the guys on this site.

 

I'll tell you what's irritating me. I usually keep my mouth closed, but I see 5.0mustang in every single thread rubbing it in people's faces that mustangs can do this and that. I think by now, people have heard the message. Just remember where you are, bud. If you're irritating me, think how irritating it must be for the chevy guys.

Chris

 

thank you for adding the rice part

not all import guys are like that

 

one of my friends who was stationed in japan said that was the way they raced

when the other light turned yellow they jumped it

never understood t hat though unless you want to put yourself into oncomming traffic and cheat

 

buahahahaha! I'd comment to argue otherwise but even the mustang guys realize that the dumbest statement made in this whole debate.

keep dreamin bud

 

I don't even know why you guys are comparing 5.0's and L98's. If lb9's had come stock with headers the two would be close (5-speed post 86). I think we all can agree that they both suck stock, and dollar for dollar spent we know which one is more economical to make fast. ( 350sbc vs. 302,347sbf ) It's not even a fair comparison unless you give the ford guy a few thousand extra.

 

That's an ignorant statement as well.

Chris

 

Really, then why don't you educate me oh wise one?

 

No, that argument is too long and drawn out for me to make to an arrogant, and biased person. You won't believe it, so why put in the time and effort.

I've had this debate too many times before.

Chris

 

Thats what I thought, but I would believe a proven point.

 

That's what you thought? tell, you what, bud, since you're the one that proposed the topic, why don't you go ahead and try to support your case. I'm just warning you that as soon as you give an example of a camaro that did this or that on very little money, there will be another avid mustang enthusiast here throwing a cheap mustang in your face. I don't know in the grand scheme of things which is actually the cheapest, but it's arrogant to say that you do. Both the 350 sbc, and the 5.0 sbf are ridiculous when it comes to ease and cheap modability. There are so many used parts, and cheap new parts for both that very few other cars can hold a candle.

Chris

 

Well I was'nt really talking about putting bolt ons and top end pieces on mustangs and camaros then seeing who is faster. I was talking more along the lines of giving each guy a set dollar amount to build 2 long blocks, use the same style intake and carb on both and putting them both on a dyno. Give each guy say $1500. Now if your going to use the 302 your gonna have to spin it pretty tight to keep up ( better use studs in those main caps and say a prayer or two ) and if you go for the 347 you have blown you budget. I'm not trying to be an ******* here but this is what I believe to be fact, not opinion. A long time friend of mine is a machinist and over the years has grown to hate factory ford short blocks, Mainly because of the short connecting rods and poor main caps. Anyway just use the $1500 to rebuild the fatory long blocks; leave the induction out of the picture and see what you come up with.

 

wise man once said...'tis better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you may be an idiot that to open it and remove all doubt.

 

a 2000 EXTREMELY built GT with a SCer only pushing 340rwhp? ROFLMASOGSUE*@#AS DWE@ I think your buddy missed the train. :sillylol:

 

If people had only had this attitude when I was "the guy" to flame on the board things would have gone alot smoother. But nooooo everyone wanted to spank the monkie.

 

Different strokes for different folks, man. The 5.0's short stroke would let it spin pretty damn high with different internals. Again, I don't want to get into this argument because it becomes a pissing contest that changes no one's mind. Plus, it's all bench racing and speculation unless the combo is in working existence and can be offered as evidence. There's just too many factors, and what ifs to make a clean argument. Let's just agree to disagree before this gets ugly.

Chris

 

Guys I'm not trying to get ugly, I had just had a few yesterday and I guess I was just trying to do some "missionary" work. I actually went with my neighbor and hung out with a bunch of ford guys last weekend at the street machine nationals. Three of the guys had fox bodys and one had a newer stang. They were all supercharged, all in the show and the slowest one was in the low 12's; very nice cars. From what I understand if you want to put that kind of power out and keep your rotating assembly for any length of time you need an a4 block. I think that means big $. So I guess what I am trying to say is that I don't hate ford guys at all, you obviously can make them fast but its just not where I would spend my money.

 

That's fair.

How much power are you talking about? Low 12s isn't a thing for the stock rotating assembly. There are plenty of people who go 10s on a 5.0 with ported TFS heads, and are still very streetable. This can still be done on stock pistons, but they have to be notched for the bigger valves of the TFS heads. The most impressive guys are the ones that get there on stock heads, but that's class racing not fully streetable cars. I plan on high 11s with a mild Heads/cam combo keeping it as streetable as possible and just less than 10:1 compression.

The A4 block is an awesome one. It's pretty much the same thing as the R302 block, but it isn't produced anymore. I don't know what you could pick one up for, but the R302 is about a grand, if I'm not mistaken. Yes, you have to have one to make big big power, but you don't have to think about that until your pushing 600-650 rwhp.

Chris