Last night I was casually cruising speedway and a Brand new looking Cherry red Mustange pulls up on the side of me, I don't know if it was a 98, I can't tell you the exact year but it was the new body style and it looked pretty new. My friend was telling me to give him the pipes because it was only a V6, so I decided to toy with him, well he guned it and I guned it and I passed him up pretty quick, we pull up next to each other and he yells, "Lets go from a stop!" So I agree.

As were driving for a light I get behind him to see exactly what he has, It doesn't say GT on the bumper, but further inspection shows the GT symbol on the back of the car, it didn't have GT symbols on the sides either so this tripped me out, I pull up on the side of him and yell, "Is it a V6?" and he gets really defensive, "V6! You think my car is a V6!"

We finally get to a light, and its on. I totally kept ahead of him throughout the entier race. He then pulls up to me and says he keeps peeling out, so I tell him lets go from a roll to prevent the tires breaking loose. well we go from a roll of like 20 and I once again proceed to whoop his ***. He then went up to me with another excuse, this went on for about 5 more races, and I won all of them except the one where I missed 2nd.I'm sure he was plenty pissed to see his beautiful new stang get whooped by an "old" car

All in all I killed a mustange, that was my first race against a Mustange and I must say it couldnt have felt better

 

What year was it?????

You say it is a 1998. A 1998 is alot easier to believe than a 2002. A stock 2002 will run low 14s high 13s while a 1998 will run high 14s low 15s stock! Neither is a 6-speed, and Mustang has no "e" at the end of it!

That guy must not have been able to drive, because he should have outrun you if that 14.9 is your best ET! That is why street racing prooves who is the better driver!

 

i only can think of one thing, the guy could not drive his car if his life was on the line, i have to say those manual 4.6L stangs run faster than 14.9 sec, but the only thing i can think of is that the guy just put fake badges on the back b/c the only stang that did not come with the GT emblem on the sides was the 35th anivesary edition and that was made somewhere after 2000, so i think the guy had a 6 cyl... HEY no matter what YOU BEAT A STANG, thats good enough,, am i right.:rockon: :rockon:

 

1.Like I said, and I'll even bold it for you I have no idea what year it was! I said 98 because it seemed pretty damn easy to beat and I know an 02 would definatly give me a run for my money....& where did I say it was an 02!?

2. I have no idea what "mustang's" have, I can in all honesty care less about them, I know it was a manual becuase one of his excuses was that he missed a shift.

3.That 14.9 was my best et... look at how long ago that best time was, for you info I was almost butt stock when I got that time, + I only owned the car for like a few weeks and was learning how to drive a manual.

 

I also had a feeling he put fake badges on his car, but you should have seen the look on his face when I asked him if it was a 6, he got pissed lol.

I also think driver error was an issue, he seemed to not know much about the car "he was foreign." I mean I didn't beat him by 5 cars lengths, I got him off the line and he played catch up but never got ahead of me.

Thanks, A win is a win.

 

If mine sounded like a flame, I am sorry, I never inteded it to be. You said brand new looking, and that in my eyes equates to a 2002. It could have been a 1999 but either way they came with the same 260hp motor! The 1998 was a different body style and much rounder. I asked if it was your best, and I am sure you are better now, and have more mods, my 13.9 was when I had been learning how to drive a 5-speed also, so I am probably in the same situation as you, it looks like my car should be faster, but when I ran the time, I was very inexperienced!

Sorry again if I sounded like an a$$, it is a nice kill, and more than likely a GT that he couldn't drive!

 

Thanks,

I just wanted to fix all the gaps I left in the story.

I know for a fact it had the newest body style. Another reason I said it was a 98 is because I asked my friend what he thought it was and he said 98, so 98 it was lol. I'll post a pic of what it looked like so you guys can figure out the year lol.

It looked very nice and to me it looked new, but it could have been well maintained.

It looked just like this one.

 

It was more than likely a 2000 with the 35th ann. side badges (and black on the hood). That is probably what you ran!

 

It was a '99 model. '98 was the last year they wrote MUSTANG GT on the rear bumper. After that 99's and up just got MUSTANG and a small GT badge on the trunk lip. All 99's also have the 35th aniversary running pony emblem on the side and no GT emblem. Also, 99's don't have the hood scoops and such that the 2001 and up have. That's why a lot of people think they are V6's.

Anyway, 260HP low 14's with an automatic and potiential for high 13's 14 flat with a 5-spd....All assuming GOOD driver of course.

I can see why he would take offense to being called a V6. I once had a guy say to me "Nice car...that a 4 or a 6?"

 

Who's the chick in the pic with your car?

 

Good kill! With a bad driver anything is possible and honestly your car wouldn't be all that slow with the mods you have. and hot rod lincoln..i've got the real hot rod lincoln

 

I was in the car with 5SIZ when he raced that mustang........it was most definitely a 99 or newer model and it WAS a GT 5 speed, because I could hear the guy crunching gears. It wasn't really driver error either because when both cars were in third gear Sergio's car was pulling on the stang and it was obvious who'd win no matter what the driver did. I was impressed, in fact I was the one who asked the mustang guy if it was a V6 since it didn't say "GT" on the bumper and didn't seem very fast, he got really pissed! Must suck getting beat by a 15 year old 170,000 smoking 305 in your new $20K GT stang. Also...............I was at the track when sergio ran that 14.9................he was pulling 2.5-2.8 60 ft's becuase it was his first time ever running a stick shift car at the track, and he didn't have any mods. He would DEFINITELY be running more than a half second faster than that right now, I'd guess 14.2 or so.

 

I would assume that it weould have been a V8, but couldn't tou hear it??? Were there 2 tailpipes or just 1??? Even the stock tailpipes protrude out past the rear bumper on Gt's. the v6's tailpipe is normally not visible, it is tucked under.

Good Kill.

 

Thanks guys, oh yea it had exaust, it had dual pipes that extended pretty far and were visible.

 

A 14.2 is good, but a new GT would run that minus the exhaust! If he pulled that hard and it was no driver error, than he should be running 13.8s at least! Does this sound possible for his mods???

 

There is no way in hell that a 99-00 mustang would run that fast on the street. Just because Motor Trend prints a track time doesn't mean every car will run that time. When you see 1/4 mile times printed in Car and Driver or Motor Trend, that is with the perfect driver, the perfect weather, the perfect track, and the perfect (0 elevation) altitude. Back when my firebird ran high 13s I remember easily flying away from the newer style Gt's. I would say at least in Tucson weather.............those year GT's are good for low 14's, at best.

 

Ummm, who is talking about Motortrend???

I race in a class with some new 4.6 GTs. One with just a densecharger and tires runs 13.7s and one with 40 series flows goes 13.9s! Both cars were low 14s high 13s without any mods. One is a 1999 and one is a 2002! I have raced both of these cars, not read in a mag!!!

I don't know about on the street, but neither car does anything at the track. And isn't that what I said low 14s!!!

 

99+ Gt's aren't slow. Yes i've seen people drive them poorly(more so than not) and they run horrible times. But i've also seen all stock 5 speeds hit 13.9's. I've never witnessed any better but i know Nic's dad runs high 13's in his automatic GT and it's stock. So I wouldn't call them slow cars. It all depends on who is driving.

 

I was actually competing with the stock to near stock 4.6s!!! That is embarrasing for me, but next year I would like some 13.4s with the ET Streets!

 

All I know is that last night I raced one and I whooped it. period.

Stop trying to make my car sound like it is damn near impossible for me to beat one, because I did.

I do admit there may have been some driver error on the part of the mustang guy though.

 

Actually the slower you make the new GT sounds, the slower you make your car sound. We are saying it is fast, and know you beat it, so in turn we are saying your car is faster! By saying the Mustang could run low 14s, we in turn say your car could go low 14s!!! See we are complimenting you!

 

ROFL

point well taken.

 

See, we know your car is fast, it is the GT we used to prove it!!!

 

Well I know this is out of context, but no offense there man..................high 13's is pretty slow to me. Both my cars (grand prix/firebird) run in the low 12's/mid 11s. So when I race high 13 second cars on the street its really no contest. Maybe thats why I think the 4.6 later model GT's are so slow.......because when I race them in my cars I just launch away from them like they are going backwards........where as some of the LS1's give me a run for the money for the first gear or so.



However, Sergio still kicked that Gt's *** in his old-*** 305TPI iroc

 

we never said he didn't beat the GT. And high 13's isn't slow. Get your average joe and put them in a 14 second car and they're going to say it's fast(so would I). A new GT isn't slow at all not as fast as some of the other cars out there right now but for the money they're not a bad deal. Especially considering it's a brand new car.

 

And to a guy with a 9 second car, your 12 and 11s seem slow also! For a stock new car, that isn't too expensive, high 13s is pretty fast!

 

exactly..nowadays if you're even driving a 13 second car you're not going to run into someone all that often that will beat you. If you're running 12's and 11's you'll almost never get beat and if you're running 10's in a street car most chances are you'll maybe get beat 2-3 times ever in stop light wars. so a high 13 in an all stock daily driver is not bad.

 

Exactlt, when you go out look at how many high 13 second cars you see! I can say the only one I have seen was mine!!!

I actually had a kid come up to me today and ask what it feels like to have the fastest car in school, I proceeded to say, "look at the crap I have to go against"! A high 13 second everyday car is very respectable car in my opinion!

 

That wasnt' the point I was trying to make........I was just trying to say that maybe I am BIASED in my opinion because of the cars that I drive, and in fact the 4.6 GT's ARE fast, just not to me. Get it?? Ok mute point, but still And whoever tells me that high 13's in a $$$ brand new car is fast needs to put down the crack pipe. I've got maybe 1/5 the cost of a new mustang invested into my firebird, and its got everything I'd want in a new car..........New paint, new motor, new rearend, new trans, nice interior. Period. Except it runs more than a second faster than most new cars 5 times what it took for me to build it. To each their own I guess.

 

And before you say that for those $20K the car already runs high 13's..............what the hell is the fun in buying a car that is already fast?? Thats the whole fun in hot rodding is DOING IT YOURSELF!

 

to each his own..I'm glad i have a new car. The ring and pinion gears went in my rear end this week. what happened? I brought it on down to the dealer and they fix it for free. I'll take my new car any day of the week. Nothing against old cars but having something new is nice for a change trust me.

 

Warrenty!!! Something only a new car has! We are not saying it is the fastest or cheapest way to go fast, but for some average guy who doesn't want to build a fast car, he can spend $23,000, and run high 13s!

 

EXACTLY!

I take pride in knowing that I added 5MPH and knocked off about 1 second (more if I could hook) off my car's ET's with mods i did with my own two hands. Buying a low 13 second car is one thing, but building a low 13 second car makes you feel REALLY good about yourself

 

I'd rather buy a low 13 second car. I prefer having skin on my knuckles

 

Nice kill 5SIZ!

 

I would rather build one, but starting off with a high 13 second car isn't a bad place to start!!!

 

Don't try and tell me owning a new car with a warranty over an old car without a warranty is cheap!! HAH! How much do you pay each month for insurance?? How bout car payments?? For the amount of money some of my friends spend on their new LS1's insurance premiums and car payments every six months.....I could constantly keep building new 350's for my firebird ($500 short block rebuilt 350, $400 vortecs, $150 intake) Honestly, owning an older car that is PAID for with cheaper insurance premiums is WAAAAAY cheaper than owning a new car. If it was the other way around then why doesn't everyone cruise around in a new Corvette?? Exactly.

 

i'm sorry but WTF are you talking about? I never said it was cheaper. I just said I enjoy owning a new car. That's my choice. You like owning an old car. Nothing wrong with that! I plan on adding an 87-93 LX 5.0 5 speed or regal t-type to my stable sometime in the next year. They will both be old cars. Don't go talking me down because I own a '00 firehawk. I owned an '87 IROC for two years previous to that and before that I had an '87 SC camaro. I've had old..plenty of old and I sure as hell am enjoying having something new. So don't jump down my throat with your "i'll build a 350 for all the money you spend on insurance". I like having a car that if I wanted to I could put into the 11's with little more than a shot of nitrous and tires. And still be a very streetable daily driver. But that's why it's my car and that's why you drive an old car. Cause you like it..

 

Jezus christ man, whats with the attitude! Who said I was jumping down your throat? I never said there was anything wrong with owning a new car, I just refuted what you suggested in your post that owning a T/A was CHEAPER since you have your warranty, which I believe it isn't. Plain and simple. *** damn people on this board have attitudes.

 

He is talking about the gamble you take when you buy a used car VS making payments on a new car.

You can buy a new car for 10,000 and have a warrantee, or you buy a used car for $1000 and have no payments and hope nothing goes wrong. Sometimes you get lucky and never have anything break and pretty much pay for gas, and other times used cars blow engines and trannies. It's a gamble on the used car, but you will always make payments (not always...duh) on the new car.

 

where in that post did i say it was cheaper to own a new car? Just curous..You like owning an old car go for it. I enjoyed it myself owning my IROC. But I bought a newer car and that was my choice. Because it's nice having something new. Much nicer than owning my IROC.