driving home from from work last night i had a run in with an ls1. i pulled out of work and got into the far left hand lane. the street is lanes both ways and is usually pretty dead around the time i got off. well anyways i stopped at the light and was waiting when a jetta gls comes pulling up. i was in the mood to race but not a jetta. i looked in my rearview and that was when i saw camaro headlights. i look over and noticed a nice silver ls1. he didn't notice me right off the bat but as the llight began to turn red he inched forward and look over. he gave me the look and i knew it was on. i stalled to about 2100 and babied it off the line. then i hit it. i pulled right out of the hole and put 2 cars on him up to 60. the poor jetta just got left in the dust. well, i slow down to talk to the ls1 but he is just staring straight. i was side by side with him for about 2 miles and i couldn't resist doing this, i opened and closed my electronic cut-out and tried to gt him to run again. he finally looked over and said "no, you got me" ohhh....you don't know how good that made me feel. all this work on this car is paying off. i gave him the and was on my way. it was a fun night!

 

true but does this look like a car a ******* owns???........

 

ya the guy new he was owned. not to be cocky but i had this guy, he knew it and i knew it.

 

my car use to look like this...... that was pretty *******!!! lol

 

I've never been much of a fan of those rims, until I just saw them on your car. You've done and outstanding job on your car, it looks great.

 

thank you......i have admired both of your cars as well. inspired me to do my own. i am moving into a dorm in about 3 weeks and i am not sure i want to take my car there. negotiating on getting a second car.....then i can start doing the things i really want to do to my car ......

 

OHHHHHH i remember your car now... Wow, thats gone the distance and now looks very sweet. The rims are alright, not my first choice. I would of went with a more "street friendly" type rim other then the drag rim, but your car. I wana go with that color you had for your old gfx on my gfx...

 

hey nice win man. that car looks real nice man. makes me jealous. lol
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THAT IS ONE NICE LOOKING CAR..
oh yeah nice kill...

i had an offer on rims like that with tires for 200 and i passed.. but i think i am going to call him back to seeif he still has them after seeing your ride..
Shawn

nice ride again man

 

and a Chinese guy owns this one

 

haha yah but they know where there place is..

i work with both of them, and the guy in the accord is my roommate. they are both really good friends of mine. the accord started with 98 hp...lol. now it's at about 125. doesn't sound like much, but it made a huge difference in his car.

i don't care what you drive, you jus gotta try n make what ya got fast.

he's about to get a better cam, and maybe some headwork done.

 

why does the picture Age posted look almost like carNdrivers old z28 he had?

 

tim: you mean someone else has a similar car?

 

Age, Chef.....a couple of sweet rides there!

Chef, I prefer a stock look but have been looking for someone who can help me with the Weld's ProStars. Could you tell me the dimensions of the rims front and back? Offsets? Tire size? I would like to pick up a pair to slap on occasion. I hear the stock 16" Irocs are like lead weighs.

 

Nice kill. Got any track time for that thing chefdan1?

 

Nice kill and nice car! Its feels good to take out an LS1 car every once in a while. I've got few of them under my belt. My problem is the RS does look a little ******* like, what with its dents, dings and ugly bra on the front. Oh well, at least the '89 is kinda pretty even if its not moving right now...

 

Good kill. He must have spun real bad if you put 2 cars on him out of the hole. Do you know what your crate motor puts out, besides the advertised numbers? I always wondered if GM under-rates their crate motors as well. This may be a case example and you must put out more than 330hp. It takes a solid 290-310 RWHP to even keep up with an LS1 no less spank it. Great Job!

 

i don't thibk this engine is underrated but i know i have a lot of traction modifications. with these mods the car will hook like nad. it's unbelievable. i love it though

 

i seen a guy that has the 330hp motor and only puts out 271 rwhp if i was reading right.. he did use all the parts recomended as well. so they are rated at the crank and not over rated..
Shawn

 

If what bigREd car says is right about the RWHP than I would say that chefdan1 raced an auto LS1 with crappy gears and a poor driver. I am not taking away anything from him and congrats on the kill, but I think he got lucky. If he runs into an M6 LS1 with a good driver, I think it will be a different story. Many of these cars will put 300-315 rwhp with just an air lid. I think the one he ran was an early auto with about 270-290rwhp. None the less I will give credit when credits due. My roomate has a 2002 M6 SS and he beats up on everything and his car feels trmendously faster than my LT1. It is quite sad...

 

shifty you have an lt1 in your 3rd gen or a lt1 camaro?
yes it is true.. i asked a friend of the guys and he said they dynoed on a hot day but the 330hp is at the crank...

the guy above who raced the ls1 has alot of suspension mods so that might of helped alot..

lt1 in thirdgen is kind of cool.. lt1 383 is even cooler..
Shawn

 

Actually, your comments on you need 290-310 hp to keep up with a low 13 sec LS-1 car, are incorrect. Mike Crews on this board makes ~290 rwhp and run's low 12's which is quite a bit faster than bolt-on LS-1 cars. It's the combination of hp and "torque" along with traction that makes a car fast or faster than another. He only makes less than 300 at the wheels, but his motor makes ALOT of torque and he plants it well, hence spanking all kinds of LS-1 er's. Not flaming, just my $.02

 

bigREd car

I have an 1995 Z with an M6 and LT1. I am currently planning a 396 LT1 for my wrecked thirdgen.

1bad91Z

I am aware of power combinations and what makes a car fast and I was basing all f-bodies together in terms of weight/gearing and output numbers. Most f-bodys are all very similar and don't have outrageous differences in them except engines over the years. 4th gens tend to weigh in a couple hundred pounds more so thirdgens with less power will respond better to the same output levels, Hence the Mike Crews guy you mentioned along with all the civics who run 13's with only 200fwhp. However, a fully optioned thirdgen and base Z 4th gens weigh very similar can have the same gears both be auto and then it comes down to who has more power. I was putting the differences in motor and assumed the cars were equal in terms of weight and suspension set-up. The added suspension (that he clarified he had over his counterpart) can deffinately get him off the line and ahead of a more powerful car hands down. He has the ideal set-up, traction with power. No flame taken I just should have explained myself further why I made the assumptions that I did. It is so funny how similar thirgens are to fourthgens suspension wise. I have lowered both kinds of cars and when you put old parts together you cannot tell which ones came of what cars.

 

age this is the car im taking about

 

Im trying to figure out the relevance of this picture you posted.

 

i have raced an m6 before and he pulled around 75-80 a little. i did not get walked but i did loose. from a dig i had him and he kept up pretty much the whole time. he was not stock though. he had a programmer and exhaust.i know this cause i talked to him. its all for fun though.:lala:

 

...huh? Who owns the first one...and what nationality is he...?


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and why does it matter?? I missed something...

 

I am half Korean, I have always loved camaroes vettes and S10, I have never owned an import, nor unless i ever get married and my wife wants one, I would never buy one. That goes with Fords also, I will never own a Ford, Chevy Owns!!!!

 

Last week I raced a GIRL with a Firebird Formula M6 probably 99-02. When I came up beside her, I didn't think she could drive it that well. Damn, I got spanked, that was probably the hotest moment of my life when her exhaust was louder than mine as she passed me. She wouldn't even talk to me after she whopped me. *** she was hott. Some real nice looking cars there, and its nice to see all people driving third gens.

 

When my thirdgen gets back on the road I really want either a 396 LT1 in it or an LS1. I have seen to many thirdgens with an LS1 swap, mild cam, stock exhaust manifolds, stock heads, run high 11.99 low 12's. That just sounds sooooo nice.

 

That's one of the best looking 3rd gens I've ever seen! :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

 

Peak numbers dont mean ****. My 350HO put down a 12.88 at 106.1 with the stock 350HO on radial tires, and I make as much at the flywheel as most LS1 cars "make at the wheels". You dont race on the dyno, you race at the ****ing track.

 

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thank you. ya i really need to get to a track. nut you are right. many people feel like ls1's are indestructible.....they aren't. many are modded but those are the one's you need to watch out for. thanks

 

really????? wow

 

I would suggest a hughes 3000 pro street converter (depending on the tranny) if you want to see some good times at the track. Remember, when I ran my car at the track I had:

350HO, hughes 3000 converter, 3.73's, posi, MSD Pro Billet Distributor, MSD Blaster 2 coil, MSD 6A ignition, Speed Demon 650 carb and an edelbrock performer intake. I think the biggest things that helped me out were the loose converter and a quality carb. I gained a full second by ditching my edelbrock 600 .

 

Naturally aspirated LS-1 cars with all the bolt-ons still only run low 13's and "some" are in high 12's. Those are the cars I like to shame on the street cause most of the 4thgen owners I've run into think thirdgen's are "ghetto" or "*******" cars. They get mad when I beat them and they see my car still has a TPI motor. Most of them think my motor is carb'ed.

 

my car has a holley carb on it so i don't think that that is any problem. i do have a 2400 converter from transmission center. this transmission is killer. i would recommend it to anyone.

 

What????? There are plenty of full bolt on LS1's in the high 11's. That is stock heads and cam my friend. My LS1 ran a 13.2 @ 106 basically stock.

 

Plenty of the RPM guys/girls are solidly in the 12's (they really know how to party btw!). I wonder if I've ever seen your car around town?

 

Probably have. It's the NBM 2000 Z28 with the license plate Z20ATEU. I'm just slightly faster than that 13.2 now though, lol. It shouldn't be too hard to spot me, seeing as how you can hear me coming from a few blocks away, lol. Might have seen my third gen too. It's a 92 purple haze RS. If you see me just flag me down or something and we'll chat.

 

yeah they do. michelle[xcitmnt] has got to be one of the coolest chics i know.

 

The fastest bolt-on LS-1 car that I've seen only ran a 12.4 and he had everything you could do with-out tearing into the motor. He a lid, headers, cat-back, ECM programmed, yank 3500, gears, suspension mods, etc...... and I had him by a few cars. However, most bolt-on LS-1 cars are still low 13 second, high 12 sec cars. Now the heads and cam cars, those are a different story.

 

http://www.ls1tech.com/threads/showf...5&o=31&fpart=1

This is probably the one you want to check out.

http://www.ls1tech.com/threads/showf...&Number=591088

Most bolt on LS1 cars are way faster than low 13's/ high 12's. Like I said My 2000 Z28 ran a 13.2 @ 106 on a 2.1 60 with crappy snow tires with only a borla catback and K&N fipk, which both came with the car when I bought it. With just a converter and some drag radials I could have been mid 12's easy. Add full exhaust, LS6 intake, and the rest of the little stuff and 11's arent too far off. 13's on a bolt on LS1 is crazy.

 

Most LS1's i see run stock run low 13's to high 12's. Big thing i see with LS1's is traction... Tires and exhuast will put them in the upper 12's easily. A full bolt on LS1 would probably break 11's and head, cam, with tinkering will pull off a low 11 sec if not 10 sec 1/4's. LS1's are great engines.. just in ugly, heavy cars... LS1/6+base modle 6 banger thirdgen = sleeper to the max.

 

Bull****. I test drove an LS1/A4 car last night that my friend was looking at buying and it was NOT a 12 second car. Granted like 2 people have driven LS1/M6 cars to 12.9's, so now they are 12 second cars stock? The average LS1 car at the average track runs a mid 13. You will see LS1/M6 cars run 12's bone stock at the same track that you see stock mustang GT's run 13's at...

 

i know a girl that drives a 99 ss. she is one of the best drivers i know. her car is an m6 and she has full exhaust and pulls cosistent 13.2's. she says that most ls1's run mid 13's from the factiry and with a few upgrades they can reach high 12's. it's when you start messing with the internals when you reach 11's, not just with bolt on's. she is a little hesitant to run me because "she feels" like i have the same horsepower to the rear wheels. i don't know about that but it feels good to surprise some of these ls1's

 

I agree. Most LS1's are low to mid 13 second cars stock. A few have been able to run 12's, but the majority are low to mid 13 second cars. When bolt ons are added though it is a whole nother ball game. 13's are a joke and 11's are easly if done right. Head/cam is pretty much a shoe in for 11's and if you dont get there you did something wrong. 10's are pretty easy and 9's have been done as well with a heads/cam car. Stroker cars are pretty much sick, sick machines that have ran 8's before, maybe even 7's but I'm not sure.

 

Holy crap did i say ALL are 12.. no i said low 13 to 12 sec cars... READ!!!

 

Wow, it's good that you can tell the difference between a low 13 second car and a high 12 second car. I have raced enough to know that you won't be able to tell the difference between the 2 unless you go to the track. I'll put it to you this way. When my LS1 was basically stock and I was running very consistant 13.2's by the end of the quarter the difference between me and a high 12 second car was maybe a car length, if that. You can't possibly tell the difference between the 2 on the butt dyno.

 

Well, not flaming on ya, but MTI is not too far from where I live and I've seen several of their cars (I have a friend that used to work there), and those cars arent as fast as you claim. Their 2 trophy cars run mid to high nine second 1/4 miles. I have yet to see an LS-1 of any sort in the 7's. But nevertheless, most of the heads and cam cars that I've seen out of there run in the 11's and the bolt-on cars (all the bolt-ons) not including a supercharger or n2o, still run mid-low 12's. I haven't seen any "stock internal" "naturally aspirated" bolt-on LS-1 car run in the 11's.