raced a fox body mustang last night dont know what year but he had mac headers bazzini x pipe high flow cats catback and cai i have a 93 z28 hooker cat-back k&n cai we raced from a dig. right off the start i killed him i got a good launch and he said he spun but i had 3 lenghts by the end of first it stayed that way till 95 when i let off, it was uphill a bit so it was more than a 1/4 mile

 

good kill man. ive been out lookin for stangs everyday, but noone wants to play.

 

Come up to CT, I know a bolt on Stang you can play with all day!!! And to tell you what my car is slow in these parts, but hey cant start off racing the fast ones, gotta go for the slow ones!

 

wait till this time next year, then i'll be lookin for the fast ones. I like whoopin the stock ones now, they all imagine that they have the fastest car.

and i''ll be ready for you in about a month.

broke 13's without any bolt-ons....ohh yah baby.

 

Hahaha come back next year if you like...

You aint the only one staying put, I should not only be very low 13s or 12s after tomorrow (and you better believe I post the times) but after the winter I will be hunting for 12.5s with the stock heads, stock cam and maybe even stock suspension ! No power adder, just more bolt ons !

I am not saying your car is slow, as it is faster than 95% of the thirdgens I see, just no Mustang killer (if you live in my area)!

Oh yeah in a Month my car goes into storage for the winter, gotta keep the miles off (130,000 now) and get ready for the new rings, and lifters.

 

did i forget to mention that i now own a 93 z since my 86 was totaled may 4th, 03, thaats why i killed this **** wich wouldnt be the case un my iroc sorry to say i guess if we hit the twistietes my iroc would have provailed

 

25thmustang, what kind of bolt ons are you going to do to get you to 12.5's. That sounds very quick without replacing cam, heads, and what have you done so far to it.

 

Well the car went 13.052 @ 103.45 yesterday with basically a Cobra intake, throttle body, CAI, pulleys, headers, H-pipe, catback, gears and tires. The suspension is 100% untouched, I never ran the shortbelt, never got my subframes in, and it was well over 80 degrees and humid out!


Next season with electric fan, Mass air meter, aluminum radiator, battery in trunk, aluminum driveshaft, sprimgs, shocks, struts, UCAs, LCAs, my new rings, new lifters, and a few tips and trick I learn from my racing friends, should get me 12.5-12.7 @ 105+.

 

so what is your gear ratio out back 4:10s those are some nice times for that little work being done

 

3.73s, I would be faster with 4.10s.

 

Nice Kill. I have beat many Mustangs (5.0/4.6's) when my T/A still had like 3 bolt-ons. A guy in our club (Eastern F-Body) has a Bolt-on LT1 runing 12.2 @ 106, and he doesn't even have all the bolt-ons. You might have seen him in the May 03 issue of GM High Tech. Many LS1's in our club are running 11's with bolt-ons also.

 

Bolt on cars usually get no respect, but they have some of the most potential. I have seen some fast bolt on cars and some slow H/C/I cars. I have talked with a guy running 12.8s @ 108 with a bolt on LT1 and a stock converter. Personally bolt ons are more fun because with the 17" street tires I can drive around with just as good street manners as a stock Mustang!

 

Very impressive time, indeed. What are your 60' times? What is your race weight?

 

My race weight is about 3150 (spare and jack gone, and almost no gas) and the 60' was a 1.758 on a bone stock suspension! The time is good but will be better soon.

 

Yeah, Bolt-on cars are the best street cars. You can have that extra power and not have to worry about effecting drivability.

 

hell what bolt ons does that guy have to be going 12.2 i'd love to know maybe try some for myself. that is na? if so wow that is sick

 

a 93 z28 should rock any mild bolt on fox body rustain anyway.
if im not mistaken they were only rated at 225 hp in thier prime.

 

So a stock LT1 should take me??? HAHAHAHA! That is funny seeing as the stock ones run 14.2-14.5s up here. That gives me about a second and a half over them ! Let the rocking begin.

 

and just what exactly are your,"bolt ons"? and why are you on TGO anyway? arent there enough rustain sites out there?!j/k

 

He has a Meziere WP, SLP Shorties, !CATs, SLP Loudmouth, Yank 3000 stall, 3.73's, HAL Shocks, V6 Springs, LCA's, Panhard, SFC's, Draglites with BFG DR's, and alot of Bolt-Off's (Weight Reduction) He's now going the H/C route now.

I've personally seen stock LT1's go anywhere from 13.7-14.5 also. Great drivers get the 6 speeds to 13.5-13.6, as I've heard about and seen in magazines, so its all in the driver like always. My best was a 13.9 stock, but I started modding right away so I never got it dialed in. I hardly see a bone stock LT1 anymore though, unless its an old granny driving, lol.

 

Cobra intake and throttle body, roller rockers, CAI, pulleys, and exhaust. Couple that with gears and tires and there you have it, 13.05! And I gaurentee it to be more comfortable than most cars on here !

I am on here because you guys think bolt on stangs run 14s, and basically some of you need an education on what 5.0s do. No that punk kid in a rusted out Mustang with a flowmaster cat back does NOT represent a bolt on Mustang! Us low 13, high 12 second cars do!

 

so all i need is a stall headers electric wp shocks springs and drs and i should be around 12s hmm that around 2500 not to bad maybe i can swing it over the next couple of years and what is !CATs i sere it in peoples sigs and never know what it is and 25th i hate to say it but you are the exception to the rule the kid i ran had some deacent bolt ons, full exhaust headers back and cai, dont know about gears, but he claims to run a best of 13.9 which i dont really believe, and from what i've seen thats good for the average foxbody guy usually there in the mid high 14s with mild bolt ons, that cobra intake must have made all the difference in your car, hey i got a question for you guys there is a kid that works at a pizza shop close to where i work he thinks his car is the **** from what i here ive never meet the kid but he has full exhaust trick flow intake i dont know if he has h/c i dont think he does but anyways i kinda what to go into where he works and challenge him the problem is i dont want to look like a jerk and his dad owns the place and is always there what do you guys think i should do and i think his brother just got an evo so the same thing applies to him, i think cars would give me real good runs so i wanna do it i just dont wanna look like a jerk expically if i lose

sorry about the long post it was just on my mind

 

Even though I don't know much about mustang engines, I'm sure for every stock engine the right combination of parts can make all the difference in how the cars perform. In magazines all the time have articles on the best bolt products you can buy and the combinations that really compliment each other the best. 25thmustang has a good, quick setup and it seems completely stock driveable. Bolt on engines can really be potent with just a few smart, good mods. Hope you brake 12's soon, and can show people what a real bolt on car like yours can do.

 

Believe me I have seen combos just like mine pull high 13s and een into the 14s. These are cars that need tuning or have crappy drivers. With all the racing I do and see I can say a driver can pull 3-5 tenths out of a car with ease! My car does run good, but the fact my dad pulled a 13.3 @ 101 with pulleys, exhaust, gears and tires makes me feel there is more left! Remember I am 18 so I am probably not the best driver out there (I know that for a fact) so I try to think of my car as average!

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that the 5.0 mustang and 5.7tpi's were close matches stock right? So can an L98 with mods like those, a good driver, and good tuning run times similar to yours?

 

Ummm, good question. I think they should but have yet to see it. I would think a little TPI port work (unless you guys have a cheap aftermarket intake) roller rockers, Throttle Body, and a full exhaust would get you the power. Then back that with a T-5, a good solid rear, and take some weight out and the 350 should be close. You also have to remember my car is not the fastest I have seen with these similar mods. My friend Darrell had these same parts with 24 lb injectors, a Mass air Meter, and some more suspension and wetn an incredible 12.54 @ 106 mph! He can drive like no other and the car is a coupe, but still incredible if you ask me!!!:hail:

 

you have some nice cars for being 18 years old 25th! I am 18 as well, but i am not running nearly as fast as you are......yet.......It is going to take me a few years to run in the 13's......by the way.....you are a good help with the mustangs.......you are available if my buddy isnt.....he is a huge stang guy too!

 

Thanks, but they cost alot. I have been working since 16 just to keep up with the car. And now with the truck it is twice as hard. Especially just starting college , makes it tough to afford both! I began running 15.3s with the car an auto and bone stock, and now it is 13.0s with the work I have done. All I can say is buy used parts and dont be afraid to take that overtime whenever!

I am glad I can help, even though I am young I have been around them since I can remember and that has allowed me to see what works, what doesnt, and see more different varieties of Mustangs than most can imagine! I have owned 2 in my short time, a 1966 Coupe and now the 1989 LX!

 

yeah i know how money is tight just starting college.......I just started as well.......its alot more than i would have thought....but i guess it all pays off in the end

 

It definately pays off, big time!

 

depends on what the L98 is in. the fbody version its kinda hard. theres a guy in the TPI forum whos been trying to get a 12.99 out of his stock shortblock L98, but so far hasnt had any luck.

however, in the Corvette, its an entirely different story. go to www.corvetteforum.com to see quite a few examples of bolt on L98 Vettes in the low 13s/high 12s. my own Vette has gone 13.1 at 103mph with nothing more than a front ypipe, rear ypipe, drag radials, airfoil, K&N, AFPR, stall converter, and free mods. thats just a tenth slower (with the same mph) than 25th's car and done with fewer mods

 

Bastard!!!

Yeah an L98 Vette will pull that, but the Fbodies have a harder time. I still think it is highly possible, and I might try it...

Sell the Jeep and get an L98 car !

 

Yes, with a corvette.... I don't think I would be able to afford one of those for a while. Didn't the L98's with the corvette have better exhaust and heads, or were they the same engines as the F-body's.

By the way, TPIvette89 how much have you spent, buying the car and the upgrades.

 

early C4s arent nearly as expensive as everyone thinks, but my car isnt a good example of how much a typical L98 Vette costs. i bought mine from an old guy who never drove it, thus it had very low miles. so i paid a bit more than the average asking price. i have seen good running, high milage examples of early C4s going for as little as $5000. thats right around where a good running, low milage 5.0 Stang goes for. good examples of those cars are getting harder to find, and thus the asking price of your typical fox body has risen a bit

as for upgrades... i agree with 25th and say buy used parts whenever you can! i just scored a deal on a underdrive pulley for $25! howe bout the coveted ZZ9 cam for $200!! my price breakdown for my 13.1 (BTW the car should hit 12.99 with colder weather) is as follows:

K&N filter - $50
airfoil - $50
AFPR - $80
front ypipe - $200
rear ypipe - $230
stall converter - $250
yeah, they had "shorty" headers (but the primaries are tiny... smaller than 1.5"). also, the from late 86' on up, they came with aluminum heads with fast burn combustion chambers. early 86's and under had the same iron head as the fbody version
ive got a 88' GTA with the 350 tuned port motor that ill be slowly modding with the same goals in mind as my Vette... 12s with the stock shortblock. ill be starting that project sometime next racing season. itll be fun starting from scratch again!

 

yeah I'm currently trying to get ideas on what I am going to be able to afford. I really want to get an 1988 - 89' Trans Am GTA with the tuned port 350. from what I was reading they were good for high 14's to 15 flat, and reading up on how 25th was making those fast runs while not smoking tons of money. Basic exhaust, intake porting, gears, tires I think would help a -lot to get me where I want. In November/December, I should have about 5200 $ to start up and get me around. I was thinking a driveable trans am would be about 4000$. And If I got maybe a hooker catback, hi flo cats, ported out plenum/runners, and gears be able to get me low 14's or is that blowing the budget. Reason being I asked is that my brother (AA89GTA, on the boards) has an 89 GTA with a couple thousand in mods, and I want to give somewhat of a run you know. Anyways, only coming up on the 16th b-day and just want to not be taken by the usual can/wing civics and represent the third gens good , but at he same time be in a good budget. Any small suggestions 25th, tpivette89,
just curious on how it can playout

 

As far as cheap parts, I would suggest seeing what you get before. Some cars have peanut cams and could use a cam swap, some have crappy gears and benefit from a gear swap! I say get the bolt ons, Tbody, CAI, gears, and exhaust and see where that takes you. I would say 13s should be attainable!

Good luck.

 

yeah 13's like that would be great. Even then I would still have a-lot of work to do before I can get even close to my brother's car.
He has full exhaust, full intake, heads, cam, pistons, tires, 3.23's, 4 speed auto. should be to 12's if I'm not mistaken. Thanks for the reply I just want to see what my options are, and I'm really looking forward to my first third gen. 25th, I want to run as fast as you someday and be able to run with my brother. Actually I don't have that much time left to do it cause he's soon to purchase in the next 2 years or so a turbo tta and then I'll just have to just be ripped a new one every time. Oh well.

 

the 88/89 TPI 350 cars are the best of the bunch i think. this is due to a higher duration/lift cam that was in these cars than was offered from 85-87 & 90-92. i think its 207/213 for the 88 & 89s vs 202/207 for the other years. also be on the lookout for a car with the 3.27 gears vs the 2.77s. a car with both of those options will be a great foundation for a fast TPI buildup.

BTW - the peanut cam was only offered in the 305, so if youre gunning for a 350, you dont have to worry about that

i would start with exhaust... it absolutely sucks from the factory. the log manifolds really choked the engines, and seriously held back performance. a good set of headers and a catback system should provide nice gains.

you should also do the free/cheap mods like porting the plenum, installing a AFPR, and bumping the timing (just to name a few). i would fabricate your own CAI as opposed to spending the cash on a aftermarket one. bigger TBs arent needed until you start making some serious power... low 13s/high 12s are obtainable with the stock throttle body

finally i would do some traction mods... drag radials, LCAs, and a stall converter will allow you to take advantage of all the low end torque these engines produce. launching is definately a TPIs strongest point, and you want to be able to harness all that incredible bottom end power by putting it all to the ground

these mods should get you into the high-mid 13s with no problems, and if thats not fast enough for you, there are still more boltons you havent done yet

 

Okay, I will take too much flack for this, but then I suggest getting a 5.0 coupe. Find one with decent mileage in the 3000 range. Buy similar used parts as I have and go for it! I know you dont want to do it, and I can see why, but hey its a last ditch resort!

 

90-92 350 L98...low 14's stock. a couple cheap mods and hello 13's. my car has 105,000 and i still pulled a 13.998 @ 96.

 

Throw a T-5 in there, run faster (with some tires) and have more fun! That would be my way of going about it, but then again I did that with my car!

 

woah, I didn't know doing those sort of free mods if you will would be able to bump you up that much, but then again every little bit counts I guess and it wouldn't hurt either.

Most of the 5.0 mustang drivers don't know what a tuned port is and even then they said it was probably a dog being an 80's pontiac/GM. I told them how they run and what kinds of stuff I've read from you guys to help make them good reputation street cars but they have some kind of thought that if it's not a mustang, it ain't crap.

so looking for a car that has the 3.23 options, manual if possible, better tires like drag radials, and no peanut cam will help out even more to start out with my restricted budget. thanx

one more thing, what is the AFPR you said you could do.

 

You wont find a TPI L98 with a 5-speed, it would have to be added. As far as an AFPR, that stands for Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator, and allows you to tune the fuel pressure and get more power. Do this, timing, and the rest of the free mods (I know them all for the Mustang but not sure on the Fbodies) and the car will be a great starting point!

 

AFPR = adjustable fuel pressure regulator. this mod allows you to add or subtract a small amount of fuel to suit your needs.

you MUST get a 350 fbody... the 305 will not match the 350s potential down the road. unfortunately you could only get a 350 with an auto trans. contrary to popular belief, you can run just as good with an auto as you can with a stick. GM auto transmissions arent as bad as other companies (like Ford)

again im going to recommend an 88' or 89' model over the other years due to its better cam. some people will argue that the 90-92s are faster, and they are to a degree, but thats just because the MAF sensor was eliminated and the air ducting was a bit wider because of that. remove the screens on your MAF, and it should flow just as good. one downfall to the SD systems found in 90-92 fbodies is that they cannot adjust to certain mods like a MAF system can. with a SD car, you MUST have a custom chip done to compensate for the larger mods. an off the shelf chip (like Hypertech) will not work

so to review, the fastest combo TPI car would be...

- 88/89 IROCZ (lighter than the Trans Am or GTA counterpart)
- 3.27 rear gear equipped
- G92 option
- hardtop
- as few "comfort" options as possible

you should get low 14s out of this kind of car 100% bone stock in good tune, with a good driver

oh, and about your brother getting a TTA and outgunning you... about the only way your going to catch him is to either get one of those yourself, or get a GN and mod it more than him

 

GET A GN, I have changed my tune, damn you tpivette! A GN would be one of the best cars to start with in my opinion!

 

all mustangs have 500hp....didnt you know that?

lol.....im just f*in with ya, i have alot of mustang buddies and thats how they all talk

 

Actually I have noticed the fast Mustangs dont talk power but talk 1/4 times, and the slow ones talk dyno numbers! I know too many low 13 second SCed GTs!

 

Thanks tpivette89, I've been seeing many good IROCS and Trans Am's in the classifieds that are running in my price range with the options as noted. Waiting sure is difficult because I know there is probably other people just like me looking for the exact same thing and are going to take them all over before I get to them

 

In reply to the many posts by 25thmustang,,,

First of all why would a mustang guy want to be on an thirdgen F-body website??

Also, you talk BIG on mustang 5.0's Ive seen many many 5.0s They are everywhere. Everyone has a 5.0, so what else is new??
There at the track, on the street and in teenagers hands. Their really getting old.

Ive seen many people verry dissapointed with their 5.0s'.

1st guy---denton---- 3.73's, h pipe, headers, pro 5.0 shifter, cold air intake.14.3's talks **** like NONE OTHER!!!
supposedly 12.8's on the bottle.

2nd guy---edelbrock heads, cam, headers, nitrous, so on, ran in the 14's. and 13's WITH NITROUS!!!

4th guy---- 3.73's all the other rustang mods, and NITROUS!!!
what else is new, TELL ME!!! oh yeah put slicks on one day at school to race a ls1 camaro. The ls1 had a cold air intake, thats it!!!! The mustang got mopped up. SAD!!!

5th guy--jared---3.73's x pipe, headers, intake, cobra intake like yours., and guess what else he has,,,,,,,hmmmmmm maybe a BOTTLE!!!! runs high 13's. He raced my friend, whos got a lightly modded lt1, and got ripped up. Nos doesnt work so well on a red light race...

6th guys,, i mean i could go on and on and on and on...

f**N A** go get a 67 fastback with a 390, them come back to tog and talk some shiat.

I would die to see your time slips. I have yet to see a foxbody, much faster then mid 13's with with bolt ons, some even have more then that. Im sick an tired of all these foxbody stangs that talk MAD, and i mean MAD sh*t. And i know you have had your share of sh*taling. all i hear is, im building a 306,,, its gonna eat you. Yeah uhuh. Your times are prolly on the bottle too, but well just consider that a bolt in,!!!!, Hell why not a supercharger, thats pretty much a bolt in right, oh no i got it Forget the blower just get a crate motor, thats a bolt in too right??? Seriously dood do you have nothing better to do, then tell all these thirdgenners about how bad your stang is,, I personally dont think to many people care. The only board I really ever see you at are the racing boards., because you have nothing to add except that you have a stang that could maybe probably could beat a iroc on here!!!!

LETS SEE THOSE TIMES MR STANG, AND I MEAN SLIPS< LETS SEE YOUR SLIPS-----

 

a properly driven bolton fox body Stang can easily run the kind of numbers that 25th posts. ive got a friend who has a GT (which is heavier than 25ths car) 5speed with full exhaust, cold air, and 3.73s and runs 13.7s all day long.

the Mustang guys have been here a long time, and they provide info about their cars so that we know what to expect when lining up with one. theyre more than welcome here