I work with a guy who's got a 2002 Grand Prix Gt. He's got that and a mustang with a V6. I've already beat it and now he's wanting to run me in his grand prix. Who do you think will win? My sig needs updated, i now also have stage 1 chip, advanced timing by 6 degrees, hedman headers (1 5/8 w/3" collector) With 3 inch y-pipe. Who should win?

Thanks!

 

what year mustang? the pre 1999 v6 stangs were dogs.........i think my neon could hang with one of them

 

Yeah, i think it is a 96 or so. It is slow. But on the other hand, i dont think that grand prix is very slow, but we'll see how it goes.

 

Na they aint all that slow. I think their horsepower is around 195. Whats urs? My bet is on you. Do it up and let us know how it goes.

 

it should be close. i believe they only made the v6 in the grand prix a auto not sure. If so id put my money on you

 

it's got boost be careful

 

what the gt? not stock it dont

 

me workmate GP GT has a blower on it not AN add on either

 

sure its not a gtp. i thought only they had blowers.

 

Don't race him from a roll.. those cars are pretty quick from a roll... you may have a chance from a stop though.

Dave

 

my friend had a 2001 impala with the 3.8 in it, and it took my LG4, and i run 16.5 so there is no surprise there........but i am pure stock. I think you may be able to pull this one off if from a stop, but from a roll, I would put my money on him.
only the GTP's came with a blower from the factory.

 

OK
GTP=Blower
GT=3.8 ltr with 220 horse
You should be a ble to take him no problem.
If you race from a roll, he will hang with you more, so do it from a stop.
You should rape him....nice kill on the stang by the way

 

Correction GT=200hp!!

 

I would race him from a stop. You will most likely get walked once rolling. I take it you have TBI? If you do, I think you will get beat. That 200hp 3800 is a really strong motor. Mom's Impalla has it and I know it could beat my RS when it was stock hands down. If he has the supercharged GTP forget it. You will get killed.

 

my buddy has a 98 GP GT and i have 92 RS 305 TBI 5 spd, only mods are MSD, mandral intermediate pipe and a new clutch and i beat him from a 15 mph roll, it only took until the top of 2nd gear to make my lead well noticed

 

It is bone stock, he had it dyno'd at 201 horsepower at the wheels. Im hopeing to put him in his place, I will let everyone know when i race him.

 

some people just don't know when to quit, you beat his mustang and he thought it would fly, go ahead and let him try his GT. I know you can beat him.

 

Thanks man. His Grand Prix is a real nice car, very luxurious, but he acts like its some kind of hot rod, if he wanted a hot rod, for as much money he spent on that car, he could have one hell of a muscle car.

 

Are you putting 200 to the wheels. That GT weighs about the same as your car and makes more power. You will get him off the line no doubt but if you don't cut out quick you will get passed. I have been beat by a malibu before, which makes less power. Granted it was from a roll and I didn't get the low end advantage but I still lost to a four door GM family car. That was when I had the same mods as you. And V6 mustangs are some of the slowest cars on the road (mid 90's especially). Not like the V6 camaro which is quit a bit faster.

 

woops

 

Dont be surprised if you lose. My girlfriend has a 99 Grand Prix GT and I wasted a 1992 305 LG4 Camaro RS from a red light in her car and that Camaro had flowmaster exhuast and who knows what else.

It "should" be a good race!

 

what the hell are these GP GTs's u are all talking about there GTP's. the GT's on the other hand are all motor but still not dogs. if hes making 201 at the wheels i think u may have troubles but let me know how it works out.

 

I was going to get a late-model GTP (Kids are late for school!!! I need BOOST!! lol) but decided my money was better spent on an F-body. I sure like GP's, (own two myself) but if I wanted something to mod, it'd be my GTA. Go smack him. But, how high can those 3800's wind up before their torque curve nose-dives? They should be able to wind up higher, right?

 

As being an owner of a 305 Camaro and a GP/GT I feel that the GT might beat you. I dont know what engine you have, but I know for sure that my GT would beat my old Camaro. In fact, when my cousin gets it up to par, Id like to race them against eachother. But I wish my GP sounded like my Camaro.

 

A guy i knew had a 2002 grand prix gt with chip, and air foil. He floored it froma stop with me in it one time and i was not very impressed. I have a 90 iroc 350 stock. Mine felt a lot faster. i'd say his car was around a low 15's 1/4 mile. It's gunna be a close race i think. You have the torque. Like everyone says you need the traction.

 

"Horses win brags, but torque wins drags...."

 

My prediction is you will skin his A--

I had an encounter with a GP on the way home late one evening. I normally don't race but for some reason I was suffering from testosterone poisioning that night. This guy and his girl pulled up beside me in the right lane at a redlight. About 300 yards from the redlight the road narrows and the right lane has to merge left. He made it pretty clear that it was his intention to pass and merge in front of me. From a standing start it was never a contest and I was never all the way in it...

Based on this experience I would say that you should be able to tear him a new one from a standing start. You will probably do ok from a roll up to about 75mph or so at that point he will probably walk away from you b/c of the broader power curve...

I will be looking forward to hearing how you come out.

 

I just need to point out that 201 hp at the wheels of a stock GP GT with the 200 hp 3800 isn't happenning, as that's around what a stock GTP with the supercharged 3800 puts out at the wheels. You might want to do some investigating as to what this guy really has. If he has a supercharged 3800, you better hope he doesn't know how to drive it.

 

My wife has a 2000 GP GTP, and it's impressive in stock trim. Takes my 350 Iroc almost door to door to the 1/8 and then I'll walk about 5 cars by her to the traps.

Watch out if it's a GTP...

Bc

 

Well this is just what he told me, and i know its got a GTP because ive seen under the hood and ive also rode in it, i thought something seemed wierd about that too.

 

not if its a stock GT

i've seen stock GT's run in the low 15's, but not many can do that. I've also seen a GT run a 13.4x, but thats pretty well modded.

But there is no way a stock GT can dyno at 201 fwhp. a GT i always work on, runs 14.4's and it dynos at 194 fwhp, and it has some mods

if its a GTP, watch out, they can be quick in stock form, 14.5's. and i've seen a GTP run 11.02, in street trim.

IMO, if its a stock GT, i think it would be a very good race, and i think you would end up winning!!

 

Very interesting topic, Grand prix vs F-body. Well my daily driver happens to be a 2001 grand Prix SE with the 3800 motor. Very strong motor.

A friend of mine was looking into a 91 Camaro RS 305 TBI, I told him don't get it, you won't be happy. Well I drove him to take a final look at it. Completly stock, very nice car. I tried again to talk him outta it. (trying to talk him into a 350) Anyway the guy selling it hears me and starts to go off about how FAST the RS is. Well I don't give up so I challenged his RS (the one he's selling) vs my Grand Prix. He laughed but I got him to race me. First was from a 25 roll (his choice). It was no contest, I jump past him and kept pulling on him. Now he wants to go from the line, well he got me off the line by about a car then I caught him and past him at about 40-50 MPH, at that point he had no chance.

My GP is stock except for a K&N filter and 245/45/18 Kumo Supras on 18x7 Enkei CDR9's

 

must be a rare 92 if it had a LG4 Just kiddin :P


It'll be a close race

 

I could be wrong on the year, needless to say he didn't get it, he ended up getting a 89 Iroc 350 TPI

 

I think he was referring to the comment about the 92 RS having an LG4.

In 92, it would of been the LO3.

 

Got messed up with the motor code, but you get the idea. It was a 305 tbi motor with auto tranny in that 92 RS.

 

Yeah I wouldn't race him from a roll either. Be careful because those front wheel drive cars are real snakes. Especially the GTP's, Light and the FWD thing is a bonus. Just make sure you don't spin the tires if you do race from a stop.

 

Concerning W-body vs. F-body: I like both types of cars, especially the Pontiac ones...! I found a good home for my '89 GP, and I'm wearing the wife down into dumping a 3800 into her '96 GP, but right now that car can wind up to the friggin' moon compared to my GTA... (up to 40mph or so in 1st gear more than a few times and I've seen the other side of 100 in her car, not mine) Shame it doesn't handle as well, other than that, it is a blast to drive.

ator: I though the SE's only came with the 3100, then it jumped to 3800 for the GT's and the SC'ed 3800 for the GTP, but I've been wrong before...

 

The GT came only with the 3800, the SE however came with the 3100 standard and the 3800 as an available option, so thats what I got. The SE only came in a four door model, the GT and GTP were also available in a 2 door coupe. Most people would not get the SE with the 3800 after 1999 cause with the package to get it the cost was more than most GT's, not much, like a few hundred. but thats probably why I got a good deal on it.


Oh yea, after 98 or 99 the cars no longer had the 3800 badge on either the SE or GT models

 

I think it should be a dead even race, let us know what happens.

 

Those cars are pretty fast, but I still think that you'll murder him from a stop, but maybe not so bad from a roll, but I think you'll kill him!!! I know the guy who has the car and you need to put him in his place, he is a complete idiot!!!

 

Well i have some experiance in this one. A guy i go to school with has a gp se with the 3800. Now he is kind of a big guy (about 280 or so) but at that time i wasn't that small either (about 240, but have since dropped down to about 200, gotta love UPS sometimes) but still didn't make much difference. From a stop, i ran the stall up and everything, i got off the line first and stayed about 3/4 to one car up infront till we shut down at about 60mph. Granted i may have had the advantage going up hill or a slight weight advantage, but up until about 60 if you get the jump you will be ahead, after that though, i know that the 3800 will eat a stock L03 alive, atleast until they hit their limiter and i keep going, but you know thats why i love tbichips.com.

 

WTF??!! How can you fit an air foil into a round TB? If you could, why would you disrupt airflow? Also, what chip did he get? To my understanding, I'm a GTP owner can you tell, we have a different computer than you guys. We don't have chips. We want a custom tuned PCM, we need a whole new PCM.

GTP=195whp & 265wtq Mid-high 14's
GT= 165whp & 185wtq Mid-high 15's

GT's will beat TBI fbodies, and hang with 'some' Tpi cars.

GTP's will beat most 3rd gens, except our fabled Firehawk and TTA. If still in good condition, it will be a good race between a GTP and 5.7.

Sorry just stating the facts, however, I'll be damned if my GTP is faster than my beloved Trans Am.

 

Yeah, those GP's have some cajones. I made the mistake of tryin to take one in my grandma's 2.5L V-6 contour. LOL! It was a pretty good race. he had me from the line, but once i got that little DOHC motor up to 3OOO RPM, it was more even. I think the GP's to watch out for are the early 90's Turbocharged models....ugly as sin, but damn, they move! I used to work with a guy who had one, he took me for a spin in it, i was really impressed, especially when his boost kicked in. It dogged a little, but it had a bad crack in the down pipe.

 

I just kicked the crap out of a new 3.5 Altima V6 5sp today if that gives you any idea of how fast a GTP grand prix is.

 

GTPs are good car with lots of potential. with some of the new cam designs out for them, and a good tune and supporting mods, they are low 12 second cars. they are pretty cheap to make go fast. (btw....DHP pcm's arent a good tune for a gp IMO)

stock for stock:

a gtp vs 350 tpi = very close race
a gt vs 350 tpi= 350 tpi will win
gt vs 305 tbi cars= 3rd gen will lose

 

I managed to wind my wife's '96 GP SE (3100) to triple-digits on a long stretch of country road, didn't mind too much, it just took a while to get there...! What I wouldn't give to have a 3800 in the fenders of her car... SC'ed would be better, but I'm sure finding one of those motors for cheap is pretty impossible, not to mention getting a replacement tranny for the stock one. Oh, the older TGP's? I'd love to own one of those too, they did the Pike's Peak rally in the prototype, I believe... (and that's the body style for the W-bodies I liked better, I think they're more aerodynamic than the newer ones, at like .299 Cd, but I could be wrong again.)

 

My car is not stock, and i know for a fact that it is not a GTP, Im getting ready to get my exhaust fixed and then its on.

 

ok, if ur car is properly tuned, and runs strong, u will win, for sure, my friend has a 91 rs with no mods at all, and he races his cuz all the time, who owns a 2001 or 02? not sure, GT with the ram air set up, its a close race, but the camaro always beats it, its almost even on the start, but when the camaro shifts outta 2nd the gt starts loosing worse, when they race the camaro usually gets hima bout a car length, or even sometimes just half a car, this thread has been up for awhile now, why dont you just go race him and find out?

 

The only ram air sedan from factory is the Grand Am GT with the 3.4L v6 or the SLP Grand prix GTX.