urgh, idk what iw as thinkin, i was thinkin he was wantin to race the grand AM gt, lmao, sorry

 

but.. wouldnt the grand am gt with ram air be faster than the grand prix gt???

 

Grand Am's came with what engines...? All I know is the 3100 and the 3.4... Did they get the 3800's recently? (oh, and what about the GTO? *drool*)

 

Well i have raced a buddy of mine in a brand new grand am gt. It had the ram air and 3.4. I beat him prety bad and that was before i installed my hedders. We raced from a stop, then from about a 20mph roll. I beat him pretty bad those two times. Then we raced from about a 50mph roll, and i just barely beat him.

 

I don't believe so, the Grand am GT with ram air has 175hp vs the 200hp or 195hp Grand prix GT. I believe the grand prix gt is good for mid to high 15's where the grand am gt is high 15's at best i think.

 

As a Grand Am GT owner..
A couple of points. The Ram Air thingy is a gimmick...its not a true ram air system. Its very restrictive and not sealed. That being said...I have run my GA GT with the G-tech it does 0-60 ~7.4 sec and my only 1/4 mile time was 15.3 (stock). Times vary, usually they are mid 15s to low 16s stock. There is a bit of modding that can be done and there are more than a few in the mid 14s. Not much of a threat to the 350s....I dunno about the stock 305s though. Believe it or not in stock form my GA has traction issues....tires spin very easily from launch. It does seem to go pretty good from a roll though (not like a big V8 though!)

GP GTPs a whole other matter. They have tons of mods and some get up and go quite good. I just read that the new GTP will do 0-60 in about 6.5. That's pretty damn close my firebird! Check out www.clubgp.com there are some pretty impressive 1/4 miles over there.

GTPs are nice....they don't handle as well as my third gen, but they do seat five (which I need!)...

 

I raced one of them supercharged grand prixs a year and a half ago and got smoked. We were on the way outta town, doing about 30 and both punched it about the same time. It wasn't even close. I guess 305 power just wasn't good enough that day.

1992 RS
305 TBI 181,000 miles
TH700R4
K&N air filter
Hypertech power chip

 

Ok heres the deal, i know this tread has been up for a while but im waiting for the right time to race him. Anyways this boy is starting to get on my nerves, hes a pretty cool guy, but all he ever does is lies! He lies about races that he has won all the time. So when i race him, i dont want to just beat him, i want to absolutely own him, So i think im gonna wait untill i get my rearend done in a little over a month. Im gonna get my 2.73's swapped for 3.42's. And then im gonna race him off the line and hopefully kill him, and maybe by then ill have a few extra goddies.

 

I'll swap rear-ends with you, I'd like to get some half-way decent economy out of my GTA...

 

Really? What year is your GTA? Does it have a 3.42?

 

you musn't forget how cheap and easy it is to swap the supercharger pulley on a GTP. best 60 bucks i ever spent! my 2000 GTP is a lot faster than my Trans Am was. if only they came with stick shifts...

 

Umm, I was only kidding, but it's an 88 with the 3.42 ratio in it... that is, if my calculations are right. (too lazy to crawl under the car to read the serial numbers off the diff)

 

My old Firebird LO3 had headers, flowmaster 80 series and a underdrive pulley set. I raced a GT and it was over before I knew it. I walked away pretty easy, I didn't think I would win that good. Race him now and you will beat him.
I had a 99 GTP, I bought it for the ex-fiance, man that was a bad mamma jamma. It walked on my poor TBI Birdy all the time in stock form Vs all my mods. I added a pulley from the Gran Prix store and a Flowmaster(I hate the sound of a 6) and man that thing was awsome. I could beat some Stangs in that thing. It was so sad that if I wanted to play with the big dogs I had to put the F-Bodie away and bring out the G-Body. So sad yet fun.

 

Just so you know, front wheel drive Grand Prix's are W-bodies.

 

Yup, what he said, but oh well. (along with cutlass supremes, luminas, monte carlos, impalas, and, drat, what was the buick one...?) Even if he stomps you, at least it wasn't an import with a sewer pipe and stickers that beat you...

 

LOL, never heard of a tip refered to as a sewer pipe, Thats good stuff. Anyhow, your right, it doesnt bother me to get beat by domestic vehicles. So if i do get beat it wont bother me that bad.

 

No offense but I believe you are going to lose.

When my girlfriend got her first car, a 1994 3.4 Camaro with 5 speed. She got a flowmaster 80 series put on and a cheap CAI.

She beat my 92 RS when it had the L03. I also beat a stock 92 RS V8 in that car as well.

Then she got her 2001 GP GT (in the sig), I'm sorry but you're most likely going to lose and they are torque monsters. He also most likely has traction control so he can stomp right off the line and not have to worry. Where you MIGHT get him is at higher speeds where they die off.

I've raced my girlfriend 3 times in my 1999 3800. 2 from rolls and 1 from a stop

first roll, she got a 1 link jump on me (damn fly by wire TB!!) and it took me awhile to catch and slowly pass her

second, same results

third, from a dead stop - she spun a little and her TC kicked in, i spun and she got a big jump on me and i slowly started pulling on her and around 95 or so I barely edged her out. The FWD 3800IIs have a lot of low end grunt but not much higher RPM power. She also gave my un timed right at the time 1992 with 350 a hard time but I beat her more easily than with the 1999. I haven't ran her since I got the timing and most of the bugs worked out in my 1992.

Good luck and let us know how it goes, but I think you're going to lose. My money is on the 3800 Series II.

 

Fredless, What was done to your 92 RS? i have raced those model V6 camaro's and firebird's all the time and i can leave them sitting. Now remember when i race him i am also going to have a 3.42 rear end gear, and i might even throw in a intake and cam. Along with the mods in my sig.

 

Ohh at the time, it just had 14x2 open element, flowmaster 80 series, high flow cat and JET Stage 2 chip and did and still has open 2.73 gears.

I know lose a lot of power in my 2.73's you might beat him then, I didn't know you had 3.42 posi.

I still say its going to be close. the GT's are flat 16 second cars stock. My girlfriend just has a k&n drop in in hers...She dusts V6 Stangs all the time in her car.

Many many people under estimate the 3800 Series II and believe its a dog like the Ford 3.8...I used to be one. Then I literally got my *** handed to me by my friends 2002 Camaro 3800 and literally slaughtered by a decked out 1997 3800. It also doesn't require much work to get the Grand Prix GT's into the mid 14s either.

 

You can get your GT into the 14's with headers, catback, Cold Air intake, and some rocker arms. If you want some mid 14's, get a cam and loose the rocker arms, and also get the ZZP intake insert. My Friends Bonneville does low 15's with only a few mods.

 

I know that these cars are no slouch, Thats why i am waiting to race him till i get my rear end done. And like i said earlier i might swap cam and intake just to give me a little extra juice.

 

LOL I don't think my girlfriend wants that. Maybe when its time for a rebuild then she might...hell I'm sure she could careless what I do to it as long as I make it go.

Now my 3800 Camaro, Intense rocker arms are on order.

I say race him now and see what happens, then do your work and race him later.

 

I just beat my friends 3800 98 Camaro last night at the track. Man that thing is decent I tell you. He has a Cold Air intake, Headers, a honed TB, rocker arms and a programmed ECU. I will tell you that it was a close race, I got him by a half car length. 3800 are not weak once they are hooked up. :hail: 3800

 

times if you remember? I believe that it was close.

He better have ran a 15 flat at least.

There is a guy in orlando that runs a 14.4 with his 2000 3800 with just free mods and he is one HELL of a driver.

Takes off his air box, removes serpintine and unbolts the exhaust and runs his car. Its NUTS how good of a driver he is, he used to have a 3.4 4thgen with 5 speed as well and ran a 15.5 with bolt ons...thats SICK for a nearly stock 3.4

 

Yup he ran a 15.1@92mph, I ran a 14.8@94mph.
Well his time translates into a 14.2-14.3 because of our elevation.

 

I posted a new thread on this topic, but for those of you who didnt see it, i finally raced him! We raced off the line and on top end. Off the line i beat him by about a car - car and a half. On top end, he both gunned it, stayed even for a second then i started pulling on him. That car was a lot faster than i expected, its a good thing i waited to get my gears done to race him, but i am satisfied with the outcome.

 

gears definitely saved you, because if you left the 2.73 peg leg in, he would have owned you.

good job nonetheless, still assuming his GT was bone stock right?

 

yea the Grand Prix is stock, the only thing he has done to it is hooked up a power programmer to it.

 

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