I was recentlry thinking about buying an new ss our ws6 trans am but now after beating one i dont now any one got some specs on these i think it was a 6 spd the way he was jumpin when he shifted i didnt beat him bad but was pulling away from him the whole time

 

Nice kill! What mods do u have?

 

well tons but ill give you the basics 355 speed pro hyperetic pistons 9.7 cam .488 intake .510 exaust edelbrock aluminum head performer rpm aluminum water pump headers bla bla bla b&m shifter lots i was surprised

 

Those cars are pretty quick, nice kill!!! I think the stock specs are 0-60 in like 5.4 and 1/4 mile of like anywhere from 13.2 to 14.2(basically depends on driver), but anyways it's always nice to see the look on those guys faces when they spent around 25k for their cars, and we only pay w/ the right mods around probably 5-10k and can hand their a$$es to them. Swwweeet kill once again!!!!

 

They're quick from the factory, but far from untouchable. Sounds like you got a nice setup. I bet they'd make a nice daily driver, but I'm a poor college student so I'll stick with my good ol' 91.

People claim they can run into the 12's stock, but I've never seen it. Mid to high 13s seems to be the norm with good drivers and decent conditions. Since these cars run anywhere from "12.9" to mid 14's stock, your built 355 seems pretty strong now, eh?

This part is only from what I've heard and read, no first hand experience: They dyno between 285 and 310 horses stock. I've read of higher numbers too, but they've probably been "tweeked" a bit. (The motor not the numbers.) Or maybe they're just broken in better. (My personal opinion/guess.)

Laters.

 

If it was one of the newer SS's then it has around 325 horses. and the WS6 is the same. I have always loved those cars, They are very quick right out of the factory. Your car must be pretty quick to be able to beat one.

 

im still undeceide if i should buy one and sell my car

 

I'd say find a used one for a good price and keep your car. I love my TA but didn't have the heart to get rid of both my IROC's for it so I sold the 87 and kept the 89 now I can hang with both crowds



Oh, nice kill btw!!

 

haha nice kill man!....but i was just reading.....did i see 3rdGenBlackBird
say "eh?" i just found it funny cuz im Canadian and we always get made fun of but its nice to know someone else says "eh" too!...i to am i fan of the SS and the WS6 ls1 t/a......but i do love my thirdgen.

 

nice kill!

 

Fear the modded LS1. Tru you may pay between 7k and 20k for a used one depending on condition but you are starting with a 300rwhp car to begin with. A car that idles smooth like glass and knocks off 28 to 30 mpg on the highway. The 325hp rating that GM gives those cars is pure garbage and they put out about 350 to the crank. Check out over on www.ls1.com and see some of the times and numbers people are putting down with only a mod or two. Plenty of guys running a lid, catback and some drag radials running anywhere from 12.88 to 13.00 flat. Others who have full exhausts are putting up to 350 to the wheels with the stock cam, heads and tune. Many have hit high 11's with just a big ol' shot of giggle juice and some traction. You must have a really strong car there because an LS1 is no joke.

 

i just beat one too

 

Good kill on the SS my man. I owned a 2000 ss Z with the 6 speed..very fast car. I sold the car but before I sold it I had my wife hop in the 92 Z and I jumped behind the wheel in the 2000. Well I tell you what I was very surprised how well the 92 hung in there with the SS..The wife took me out of the hole and had me by about a car length until the SS came into it's powerband..then it was all over. I did win the race but a 3rd gen properly modded can haul the mail no doubt. 92 mods..Borla..K&N filters..Airfoil..Hyper-crap chip. Not hating on the 4th gen..Beautiful cars..But the 3rd gen aint no joke. Later fellas.

 

for sure good kill

impressive

 

Ever had your car to the track? If so whatd did ya run? Just trying to see if your car is that strong or maybe he wasn't the best driver as I've seen plenty of m6's run really fast or really slow

Although from the mods you say you have I'm thinking you have a runner there

 

How did the race start? How long did it last? What speeds was this race into?

I've ran a best of 13.0 @ 111 with just a catback, lid, free mods, and drag radails -bogging very bad. I think the torque of a TPI car can put up a good fight through the 1/8th, but the LS1 is such a high rpm car. They like to be wound out. I run mine up to redline before shifting, and it doesn't stop pulling.

Just another perspective.

 

Another thing i'll add is a LS1 is a LS1 is a LS1. The SS/WS6/Firehawks aren't any better than the Z28/Formula/Trans Am.

http://www.ls1tech.com can be everyone's friend

 

I dont think all ls1 were created equal. I've beated z28's and they are not as fast as trans ams. There only as fast as formulas. I cant beat ram air trans ams, they can catch me. The SS camaro and ram air ta's are a whole second faster 0-100 than z28's and formulas. They have a good bit more topend. They made the better model for a reason. Motortrend published the article. They state that the ss is 12 flat to 100 and the z28 is 13 flat. Check it in the july 98 issue.

 

They were exactly the same minus a little better exhaust for the WS6 and SS models. If anything some Z's and TA's are faster because they don't have as many options and tend to weight a bit less. Don't believe anything you read.

 

Ignorance is the worst form of stupidity. Trust me, learn a little bit about the cars. There isn't any difference.

EDIT: I'll include what is different...

The SS/WS6/Firehawk gives you...

Hood, wing, wheels, exhaust. The exhaust is hardly anything special, and worth maybe 5hp, which is nothing. The only thing that could remotely help is 275/40 tires compared to a 245/50.

The SS/Firehawk have the RPO WU8. With WU8, you could also add RPO Y2Y which let you add SLP options such as chrome wheels, 1LE or Bilstein suspension, and in 01/02, more exhaust and lid option. The SS/WS6 is 15hp more than a Z28/Formula. They claim that is from the ram air and exhaust. Everyone and their mother knows that ram air thing is a bit over rated.

The Y2Y slp exhaust would add an addition 10hp. That exhaust is the exhaust system you can get from SLP. In 02, you could also add the Blackwing lid with the exhaust (this was standard on the Firehawk, optional on the SS). This brought it up to 345hp. With this Y2Y option, along with the Y2Y BFG g-force tire option, I could see the SS being a tenth or 2 quicker, but more than likely it won't be.

Different drivers, different days, different climates. The SS and WS6 are over rated. That still doesn't mean they don't look sick.

Again, check out http://www.ls1tech.com

Oh, and a full second difference 0-100 between the Z28 and SS? I don't think so.

 

I cant agree more!

 

Ok im wrong. I guess the camaros i raced never got on it but the ta's did. I'll go email motortrend and tell them the numbers they got out of their tests are wrong and that someone on thirdgen.org says theres no difference so we'll take his word on that. There is a difference. The SS was like only 2 tenths faster in the 1/4 but 4 mph better than the z28. Honestly though what does it matter? They are exactly the same when modded cause you would get a better exhaust and stuff anyway. All im saying is that they are faster stock but not by much. Ignorance my ***.

25thmustang: Somebody just said 85' mustang 5.0s had fuel injection and 94 mustangs had 225hp. Better go correct them. HAHA.

 

Reread that. He's right.

 

Hey just doing my part to keep the facts straight, if I dont som epeople will think Cobras run 14s, and Z28s and Formulas do to! Also get more than 31 posts, and then you can start talking.

 

Damn, if ram air ta's are a second faster than regular ta's I really need to get a ram air hood and ws6 exhaust

By the way when I had my car dynoed with the club I'm in it dynoed no better or worse than the comparibly modded ss's and ram air's and as a matter of fact I dynoed 4hp more than a 01 firehawk w/headers. The motors are the same in regular formulas/ta's and z28's/ss's

 

I guess you didnt understand my last post. When there modded they ARE THE SAME. You take away the advantages they had stock. I also never said they did anything to the engine or were different between them. That better exhaust doesnt mean anything when you replaced yours. Ram air doesnt mean anything when you replaced your lid. Im sure a stripped down z28 or formula could beat one. That second faster thing was only to 100mph. The 1/4 was close, a tenth or 2 and 4 mph like i said before. That means that the SS had more topend.

25thmustang: Thats good that you help keep the facts straight. I know a lot about mustangs so i know you know what your talking about. How do i more than 31 posts if i dont post? I've just been lurking for years. Also Cobras, z28s and formulas do runs 14's...
at 5300ft above sea level. j/k

 

blah blah blah blah

It's hardly a difference in performance. 9 chances out of ten, the SS and WS6 isn't going to be any quicker than the Z28 or Formula. Of course everyone has a story of some "ringer' that ran in the 12's stock, but for the most part, everyone elses is in the 13's with a high mph.

I'm not even bothering taking mods into consideration. Stock for stock, the difference is going to be neglegable, especially due to conditions and drivers.

 

I have only heard of one varified stock LS1 going 12s, and it was a Z28, not an SS or WS6. Evan Smith went 12.9 in one. If there is a 2 tenths and 4 mph difference, then an SS would have gone 12.7s at what 114... I really doubt that.

MT and C&D are NOT where you should get your facts from...

 

Evan Smith ran a 12.8 in a Z28. Get your facts straight mustang boy. Most are in the 13's though. My stock auto 2000 z ran a 13.2 @ 106 on snow tires.

 

MM&FF ran a SS to 12.9 in an issue where they tested the Bullitt when it was first available.

 

Yes 12.8, and they also ran the SS in hot weather, and barely cracked a 13.9 out of the Bullit.

 

It might have been 12.89... that's why i'm thinking 12.9. Nonetheless, some people can do it, others can't.

 

Wheres your 12 second time slip? I would have kept trying til i got one if i were you since you had the mph for it. I saw that mag too. Its funny how it took a mustang driver to get that time.

Also where should i get my facts from? At least motortrend knows what there doing. A lot of people dont know what there talking about. One guy i knew said he ran 7's in the 1/8 and he had 500 hp in his 98 z28. When he poped the hood it was stock. People lie and thats the truth. At least motortrend has nothing to gian by lying, so they state the facts of their personal tests. Maybe they dont have the best test drivers but the general public cant drive all that well either. Have you ever done an experiment? Sometimes you dont get the same data the second time. Its called % of error. They use a certain percent of error to make sure that there results are acceptable.

 

It was the first time I had ever used drag radials. I couldn't get used to launching the car without bogging it. I only had like 4 runs that night. The first three I didnt even heat the tires up. It was my final run that got me the 13.0 @ 111 after I heated them, but still bogged really bad. The others were consistent 13.1's at 110.

I'll also add that with 90K miles, my clutch wasn't liking those launches too well.

 

I dont see a time from you, so why tell demonspeed he should have gone 12s?

 

Because 111mph is enough to do it. I didnt mean anything bad about it, just that he has the power to do it. Shoot, i wish my car ran 13 flat. I'll have some times soon enough but i dont expect them to be good.

 

It's ok. When I was at the track, I guess the anouncer said that 111 was good enough for 11's. Too bad 111 is only good for mid 12's in a LS1

All the reason I didn't run 12's was my inexperience with drag radials. I just couldn't pick it up in 4 trys. This spring will be different though I also remembered that i'm throwing knock sensor codes, and with my car, it retards timing 4 degrees at WOT. Although it's not much, everything added together means (knock, bogging, bad clutch) I can't get my car where it should be. Again, the spring will change things

 

Ok, here is the final answer

Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords - November 2001, page 133.

This was late 2001. Then a year later, Ford gave them the 03 Cobra. Oh well

 

So I was right the first time with a 12.9. Either way 12.8 or 12.9 thats moving for a stock car!

 

I know the LS1 is a good motor and all, but damn it isn't that good. "OMG LS1 the spirit of Jesus himself resides within it, it cannot lose evar"

Anyway, I don't think any LS1's have won any of those street legal drag championship events. Seems like every thread about an LS1 car, it degenerates into what they do stock and how great they are.

 

Well, we all know low 13's are the norm for a bone stock car.

Bolt on cars with tires will run mid-high 12's.

Full bolt ons and a cam good will yield low 12's.

Heads/cam will have you in the 11's.

Simple stuff. That's just the e/t's. The mph is way higher with a LS1 car compared to a regular small block car. 111 is good enough to run with sbc carb'd guys running 11's. That means on the highway, the LS1 is catching you.

Sure, there are better things out there, but the Gen III engine is the top of the line of the evoluntionary scale. That is until the Gen IV hits in the C6.

 

I know. The times you put are accurate I have seen them do it at the track. However, they are not at the top of the street legal drag scene.

 

That's a 400ish+ hp setup if it's tuned even remotely right, why were you surprised you beat a 340-350hp car??

 

edit: double post

 

Not to sound arrogant or cocky, but what cars are on the top? A nasty Supra? Blown old school Hemi?

There are registered and inspected LS1s in the 9's. That's not bad for an engine that's only been available since 1997. My point was that's it's so easy to get power from it. Much more so that anything else.

 

Oh you didn't know? Around here the LS1 is some sort of mysterious magical engine which we all secretly worship.

 

I'll also add that you should know all the fast LS1's anyway. You're right in the heart of the tuners.

 

If you mean these guys, then yes I have seen a few at the track.

http://www.motorsporttech.com/customer_rides/index.asp

But still, the best one is a 9.7, which is not anywhere close to winning a street championship.

As far as what is on top:

a lot of the cars that I have seen in the 8s are BBCs

 

actually didn't some of the WS6's get the LS6 intake?

 

9.7, a guy near me is shooting for 9.7 on Drag Radials in his LS1...

Yes they are awesome motors, and yes they are a SBC. They dont NEED carbs to go fast, and can do it while nailing great driveablility and 25+ mpg...

The fastest are the old dodge motors, in the be all and end all of racing, so in modern days, the LS1 seems to take the top honors...