All 2001 and 2002 f-body and y-body LS1s got the LS6 intake.

 

you mean LS6 intake

 

This is really the final answer. In an all around package, the LS1 is hands down the winner. When it comes to who's gone the fastest, then it's the big cube guys. The old school Mopar's seem to be head of the class when a lot of people start talking about the old days. At our track, it's all carb'd big blocks. There is only a small percentage of people who are in the late model EFI stuff. I have the 2nd fastest (not quickest) LS1 car at our track. The fastest mph is close to 120 I beleive. It's a 200 shot car.

This is just the perspective from my daily grind.

 

Yeah tracks around here are the same way. I am still waiting to see GM's all aluminum ram jet 454 in something. The potential for that thing is just scary.

 

You got that right

:hail:LS1:hail:

 

yeah haha, I can't beleive I typed that. LS6... It's been edited accordingly.

The easiest way to tell is the LS6 doesn't have EGR, whereas the LS1 intake does. The y-bodies are different, as they never had EGR. They also have electronic throttle.

 

My LS6 intake has egr

 

Doesn't count if you bought one for you 98-00 with the EGR provision

 

if stock LS1 Z28s are running 12.90s what did the non ZO6 C5s run, it must have been better seeing how they are lighter.

 

12.90's for a stock Z28 is pretty rare, so don't think that is the norm. LS1 C5's are running the same though. They have that independent rear which doesn't help them on the strip.

 

In one of the articles were they got a 12.89 or 12.9 out of a LS1 Fbody they got a 12.6 or 12.7 out of a regular C5. Neither is a normal time you'll see on average for a stock car though... Low 13s for both is the norm...

 

i thought i herd of a stock non-ZO6 C5 going 12.6 or 12.7......... OMG, stuped LS1s with there stupedly fast times!

 

Either way, the place for them is http://www.corvetteforum.com It will tell you all you'll need.

 

Not to doubt your information, I know for a fact an LS1 is no joke, my cousin has a 00 trans am (not WS6) and it hauls some serious butt.

But I went to the track like 2 weeks ago and all these fools driving thier fourth gens (stupid car clubs here in town, can't stand any of the guys in the fourth gen car clubs, all a bunch of college idiots, you know the type) were getting times in the mid with some mods.

Not sure exactly what they had because me and my cousin would probably get into a fight with them if we even bother to talk to them (thats how annoying they are) but they were all getting mid 13's. Even the 2002 Collectors edition trans am here was running mid 13's. Im pretty sure they've all done CAI and ignition upgrades.

I know one of them had done a cam swap and out of all of them none ran higher than 13.26. Their was about 12 fourth gens total, some LT1's, some LS1's. The track is a 1/4 track. There was a 68 chevelle running a GM 350 crate motor wooping on them, infact that guy one the "King of the Street" trophy that night.

Real nice guy in his mid 40's, showed me his car and was even nice enough to let me check out his interior. Wish they were all like that. His best time was 12.87.

I don't think the LS1 is all that and a bag of chips, but these fourth gen fools act like its the best thing since sliced bread. I'll take a tradition SBC over an LS1. Not too much aftermarket support not to mention the aluminum block, im too afraid that think would crack easily.

Don't get me wrong, I know there are some damn fast LS1's out there, but thier some damn fast everthing's out there. I think the only thing the LS1 has going for it is gas milage.

 

For some people who aren't too experienced launching the car, that's a possibility. My first trip to the track was 13.5 on a 2.3 60'. The mph was 108 though. If they could hook up with a 2.0-2.1, it'll be low 13's, which is what they do stock.

How do you know? You actually see anything or talk to the guys? Obviously not since you said you'd rather not approach them. 'Cold Air' mods would consist of a lid and possibly a ram air setup like as Fast Toys Ram Air or Super Sucker. Ignition mods? Um, like what? You have plugs, wires, and coil packs. No one makes an aftermarket coil pack because the factory one supports a ton of power. So do the wires, but you can go with Taylor's or MSD's. It's not like they give you any power though.

Not much aftermarket support? You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Cracking the block? Again, you need to do some research.

It has A LOT more than gas mileage going for it. You really need to learn about stuff before you go blabbering off about something.

 

....I just decided to not even bother, I don't want to lock this guy's thread.

 

You hit it right on the head. The LS1 is the best stock for stock small block engineering wise GM ever made regaurdless of power output. Just go pick up an IC engine text book and do some homework on bmep, imep, etc etc. You will see there is a reason why Gen 1 and Gen II motors are no longer produced in favor of the newer small block design. They were good for their day but technology has them seriously outdated. The LS1 makes the most of many parameters that are considered when desinging an engine, yet retains some of the old school appeal (pushrod desing). This engine would be even better if it was a DOHC. Technically any two valve small or big block is not considered a high performace engine in the engineering world. There are to many things that smaller engine do better. It is more than just power, but when you do increase that power, you really get some results.

 

5.7Camaroboy...what happened to ya
You started the thread for info and it got hijacked by the rest of us

What did ya decide???gonna get a LS1?

 

What does it matter? You might as well voice your opinion. Being from Texas, you should know how big the LS1 is. All the big dogs are from the south.

Nonetheless, I didn't really mean to insult you, and if I did, i'm sorry. It's just when I read things like you posted, it just strikes me because I just can not beleive someone can have such an opinion without any justification to it.

 

Well basically I lashed out and yes I took that as an insult, but rather than get into a pissing contest on someone elses post, I thought I would respect the topic creator.

Anyways, what I gave you earlier was an opinion. I am very open to criticism, but I felt you acted like an ***. I never said the LS1 was a slow beast, my cousin has one and I love the tourque when he floors it.

However, he has had trouble in looking for upgrades (well, choices that is, the mods are there) and their really isn't as much aftermarket support as the traditional SBC, which is understandable, its new, and the support is growing. I never said it was scarce =/.

As far as the aluminum block, thats a personal opinion of mine, I never said there was anything wrong with the ls1 being an aluminum block, im just old school I guess. Me and a lot of my buds agree, an aluminum block is not a good idea, but thats just us. Never said there was anything wrong.

It just seems you took it as me bashing the LS1, when in fact I respect it, but its just not my thing (I'll take a 6.0 out of a silverado though, iron block there ). Anyways, as far as those guys, I got a bud of mine who works with one, so yea I got a rough run down of what they were running, some were on slicks and got those times. They drag their just about every sunday, they aren't wet behind the ears in that department, stupid yes, but its not their first time.

Anyways, like I said, criticism is good, but you shouldn't lash out at someone who was only voiceing his opinion, anyways, I should be having my Lt1 in the car this saturday, oh the fun .

 

Now this makes sense and is well put. I hope I didn't jump your bones to quickly and that was not my point. My point is that from an engineering standpoint the LS1 is the best small block GM has ever made period. Many people think that hp numbers determine what is best and they don't realize the trillion other factors that determine if an engine is good or not. Some people don't understand so in their defense they bash it. It just seemed as if you were bashing them a bit, but I re-read that and I geuss I based that on your last comment about "the only thing the LS1 has going for it is gas mileage." It is obvious you have a clear vision of the situation with compairing todays small block with yesturdays. I geuss we got a little defensive.

 

Yea man, its cool, I respect people on here and I don't get on the message boards to argue, unless of course its an intelligent argument. I was kinda vague in the first post so I can sorta understand why it was taken that way. Thats cool though, I love this site too much to just come on here and try to pick fights.

 

Again, sorry for sounding the way I did. We're all hear to learn stuff, and we all drive f-bods

Anyway, the Gen III has been proven. It's not like it's an easy engine to destroy. It's been out since 97 (99 in the trucks), and it's proved itself. Sure, we've all heard about this whole piston slap thing, but it doesn't effect every car (I have 90K on my car without a problem). That's the only problem anyone has.

People need to be more open minded. Change is a good thing. It's not like the LS1 is made from pos 6061 asian formed aluminum. It's far superior to any small or big block in its design. Look at the SVT DOHC 4.6's. It wasn't until the blown 03 came out that they ditched the aluminum, and I'm sure you don't worry about cracking your aluminum heads do you?

I did a little comparo...

The Gen I small block was at the top in 1970 with the LT-1 350/370hp/380tq in the Vette. Those ratings were also the gross numbers.

EDIT: I'm adding the fuel injected Gen I.
91 Corvette L98 350/250hp/350tq (net)

Gen II came up to the LT4 350/330hp/340tq (net) in 1996.

Then we come to todays Gen III. 346/405hp/400tq (net again) LS6.

 

I'm also going to add that because of this...

I think thirdgen.org is now smarter. Everyone should come away from reading this thread a lot smarter and more open minded.