My buddie wants to drag race me. I'm not really sure I want to. I have my 91 RS 3.1 with a Beretta top end, SS springs, Special edition Z28 sway bar, open air element, A/C delete, Smog pump delete and that's all so far. He has a 87 Honda Accord with a 12 valve 2.0 l4 he is running a"cold air intake" some exhoust I don't know what, but the thing I'm worried about is he just put in a 9 psi turbo. Is it worth risking my car to race him.

 

If, and I stress IF he actually does have a turbo, and he knows how to tune it, he's gonna own you. Ask him to pop the hood and take a peek.

 

I know he has the turbo ive seen in its a little guy but its still there. But yes that is what I figured

 

I'm thinking the honda will win.

 

Huh? What was included in this top end???? Any improvement

 

I already raced an Accord with my 2.8L Firebird... And... Well, I lost... Not by very much, but my car is completely stock, so a 3.1 with minor mods like you should take it... Except if he have a turbo

 

I don't know what might be up with you guys 2.8's and 3.1's but i had a celebrity with a 2.8 that would own most all hondas around my parts, and my dad had a 3.1 corsica, that would definitely own most hondas around here, both of them were automatics, bone stock. Maybe if you guys are writing these kinds of posts you should also consider getting a V-8. hondas?!?:hail: to the almight V-8!!!!

 

Ummmm, Please.
I don't own a 2.8 or a 3.1 . I'm just stating a FACT, a 3.1 third gen vs. a honda w/a turbo'd DOHC 4. I'm going to pick the honda. sorry.
"i had a celebrity with a 2.8 that would own most all hondas"
Bwaaahahaahahhaahhahahahahaa! Yeah right, OK !
"you should also consider getting a V-8"
No thanks I've got abunch of them allready.
Just so you know there are hondas out there that will WASTE your 305 with ease! In fact if you were going to race your TPI 305 stock vs. a newer stock civic SI, I'ld pick the SI!
Sounds like your the one who needs a different motor.

 

also honda has a two door accord right now in the mid 14s.........goodbye stock 305 tpi auto.

 

Here is the only pic of my engine
(not up to date)

 

......sorry dude. my LG4 would sometimes lose to honda's.

i don't see a 3.1 taking a boosted 4 banger

 

I could probably keep up with you in my '89 corolla, 16v, 5-spd.

It's not the fastest FWD 4cyl out there, for sure, but when it hasn't warmed up yet, it moves pretty well. Even when it is warmed up, it still runs a little rich and gets enough power at WOT. It's funny because it is a 40mpg go-cart, but only wieghs 2100 pounds with excellent gear ratios. I wish I had the time to plant a camry V6 motor in there, that would be a great sleeper!

Honda's worship the almighty V8?.....son, you haven't riden in very many Honda's latley. Even the base models have good acceleration, they're nice cars when they're left alone or modded properly.

good luck with the 3.1, it's definitly capable, just remember the wieght difference between that '87 honda and your '91 RS.

9 pounds on anything will bring it to life for sure. There is a little known 'secret-underground' within the Japanese car communities, these guys really know what they are doing, not like the fakers who add a fart can and colored wires and think they all of a sudden have something fast.

 

You know, i can beat stock civic SI's in my LO3 all day long and ive have been with him in his 305 TPI before when he's stomped some of them. To make a comment like that its sounds like maybe you should get ride of all those V8's you got and go to the local honda dealer and buy you one of those civic SI's! Sounds like your the one who needs a different motor, maybe a 1.7 liter POS SI.

 

No thanks I don't care for Hondas at all, there are much better and faster imports in the world, Hondas are over played. But even though I hate civics it dosen't mean I'll go around saying **** like "i can b34t stock civic SI's in my LO3 all day long, yo " that would eather mean a) I'm full of ****, or b) every owner of ever civic SI can't drive and is such a limp wrist that they can't kill a frickin stock TBI 305 in a race.
For some reason I can't see b) as the answer.


Post # 6~6~6 :rockon:

 

Most civic owners can't drive well. They have the seat so far back they can't see the road.

 

Hey, first of all who ever said my TBI 305 Was stock? Ever think about that? And yea honda's are way over played, there pieces of junk in my book, i hate every one of them no matter how fast they are or what they look like. And it sounds to me like your the one who full on ****, you might say you hate honda civic's but i dont see it the way you talk about them.

 

Yep, you caught me pal I love the hondas.

 

You must love hondas if you are picking a SI over any V-8, *** you all make me sick!!!! Let's think about it 170 hp with 100 ft/lbs of tq against a real car with 205 hp, and close to 300 ft/lbs of torque, it don't take a genius to figure that one out.Don't make me laugh!!!!

Hondas are all pieces of friggin junk, I also hate all of them and i don't care if they have over a million dollars in the engine, I would take a 3800lb f-body tank over them any day!!!!

 

quote:
No thanks I don't care for Hondas at all, there are much better and faster imports in the world, Hondas are over played. But even though I hate civics it dosen't mean I'll go around saying **** like "i can b34t stock civic SI's in my LO3 all day long, yo " that would eather mean a) I'm full of ****, or b) every owner of ever civic SI can't drive and is such a limp wrist that they can't kill a frickin stock TBI 305 in a race.
For some reason I can't see b) as the answer.

It is obvious that you do not know the concept of a V-8. I don't know what planet you are from but here on earth a SI p.o.s could not beat a real 305. I think you need to get on hondahookup.com. It is more for you!!!!!

 

LOL! WTF! I'm not here to cut down 305s but you kids really have to take a step back and learn what your "mad fast" 305 RSs can and can't do. You 2 are a riot! lol.

The new civic SIs can run between a 15.4 and 15.8 1/4 (low 16's if your a retard), an auto tbi 305 3rd gen runs a 16.4-16.7 1/4.

Wich one is faster?

 

91gta_tpi why are you makeing up BS names to use in this topic? Thats pretty sad.
What's even more sad is that you couldn't even spell camaro right.
88camerors........ Bwaaaahahahhahahhahahahaha!

 

Listen here buddy, I do not play child's games, I did not make up any name you idiot. You need to get your facts straight before you go accusing people of stuff. And another thing, my car is not a 305 tbi, it is a tpi and stock I have ran a 15.3 in it, so I don't want to hear any more about any POS Honda.

 

Hmmm, thats odd by looking at some of you past posts it looks like the only 1/4 mile time you could pull off was a stunning ( ) 16.655 before you blew your motor.

 

a 2.0 liter putting out 170 horses and a 5.0 liter getting about 205 horses.....which one is really the weaker motor?

the 305 does have some torque, but the transaxle ratios some of these Japanese cars have makes up for that.

I don't have much experience with the older hondas, they have strong engines though. The Acuras from that time period hold together ok, so I wouldn't be surprised if someone could get a Honda to run good with the right mods.

What is the Beretta top end though? is it the heads and cam from a beretta? same electronics too? that could be fast, but still having to push that sled.

old Hondas can be heavy too, I think you should just race and get it over with, I'll line up with you two on a bicycle

 

A turbo honda will beat your 6 banger, unless you had some serious work in the firebird. I have no idea what the Beretta top end does, I thought Beretta's were dogs also.

 

The only thing I can think is the 3.1 intake is a better design over the f-body. I'm talking the MPFI 3.1, not the newer 3100.

 

Or just needs to do some research. Not every import is clapped out and cheesed up.

 

We may be a riot, but damn, your an idiot!



Im glad to see that you know soo much about Honda's. Maybe you should go ask your mommy if you can buy a new Honda. Funny ive never seen a "SI" civic run any better than a high to mid 16.I watched buddy of mine who has a 91 rs with a STOCK engine and nothing but some kind of sh!tty muffler and a 5 speed eat the doors off a SI civic. Thats what sad

and what is even more sad is that you cant even spell WHICH right!

 

[Hmmm, thats odd by looking at some of you past posts it looks like the only 1/4 mile time you could pull off was a stunning ( ) 16.655 before you blew your motor. ]


I never updated that was when my car had sh*tty tires and a badly tuned transmission, so I don't even want to hear about it.

[Im glad to see that you know soo much about Honda's. Maybe you should go ask your mommy if you can buy a new Honda. Funny ive never seen a "SI" civic run any better than a high to mid 16.I watched buddy of mine who has a 91 rs with a STOCK engine and nothing but some kind of sh!tty muffler and a 5 speed eat the doors off a SI civic. Thats what sad
]
Amen brother!!!! Just let mommy pick you out a nice little SI Civic

 

There's a difference between missing the h on the key board while typing "which" and miss spelling camaro, thank you.

If you 2 ladies want to keep crying like french school girls while sitting at the key board, holding each others hands, and picking lice out of your ******s just PM me because I'm done trying to nicely drill some sense into your toothless skulls.

 

Easy guys I did not mean to start a riot I just wanted to know if I should risk it and race Tyler.

 

well first of all ignore these morons...at least the honda guys anyway. they obviously have very little sense and spend very little time around truly fast cars.
what are you risking? even if it was only my pride id go ahead and race him...you're gonna lose it now or later; might as well be now.

 

When I say risk it I kmean I have 2 points left on my license second true he dosen't know how to drive. He thinks his car is some kind of an Indy Car. Third if I race him and loose I will never here the end of it and how Hondas are soooooooooooo!!!! much faster than those peice of crap american cars. So you see why I asked.

 

Funny funny topic. In short you'll lose but don't worry theres always the "mod" to make.
If I may jump in here for a sec. Elevation makes a difference in times. Mags change their times to sealevel when printed. I have seen that the 99 SI runs 15.7 where I live thats a 16.9. I had my old 305 TBI with Dynomax headers, K&N filter, Hypertech underdrive pulley and Flowmaster exhaust. When I ran it at the local track the best I could get was a 15.9. Thats not bad but its not great either. The L03 could be a great motor if you really put time into it plus you have a T5 I had an auto with a shift kit and a new tranny. Have faith.
The 3.1 is pretty cool if you dig into it. Don't think it is going to kill Ricers left and right but you should kick some butt on a few cars. Have fun and good luck

 

isn't there a strip nearby that you can settle it at? i dunno if i would risk it with only 2 points left. i already have a "business purposes only" license cause i had 6 points within my first 6 months of driving. well it doesnt really stop me from driving(I do think twice about racing tho).

just make sure you dont lose. if he starts pulling on you swerve into him and say you spontaneously snapped a tie rod . always works for me.

 

wow these topics are fun to look at :lala:

 

ok this is the funniest post i think i have ever seen guys.....SOLID LIFTER i got ur back bud i dont know wtf these idiots are thinking but boys....the stats prove him right! honestly. and for the record....the SI would beat most stock 305's not that i got anything against 305's becuz i own one and no im not stick up for r*ce.....but where i live a civic SI would beat most 305's (stock) and all you rookies buy a v8 and think u run some sh*t yes more torque and hp is a nice thing but power to weight ratio chages the picture often. seeing ppl like this around where i live usually get the **** smacked out of them for being morons!...if u guys think ur stock 305's are so fast then run a civic SI and maybe then u'll realize u just gave a tail light inspection.


long live the :hail: thirdgen

 

Well i dont know where you got it from and i damn sure dont know where solidlifter got it form but neither one of us drives a stock 305 TBI. Thats why i dont understand why he is bashing a them. Who cares if a SI will beat one, i really dont care because mine isnt stock. But just for the record i still think a stock LO3 with a good driver will beat a SI. An 84'camaro boy, i aint no damn idiot.

 

My stock 305 TPI runs 15.2@91mph. Thats faster than a stock 1.6L SI civic. I hope you mean the L03 because there is no way a stock SI will take out a stock LB9 of any year. The Prelude is a different story but are not talking about the Prelude.
There are better ways to get your point across guys rather than talking trash to each other, save that for the Imports and Mustang crowd even then it should only be in good fun. My .02

 

I had just assumed that your LO3 was stock, sorry about that.
I think a modified auto LO3 could easily out run a SI. A 305 third gen will respond far more easily than a 1.6L SI will to mods.
I was just trying to say that stock for stock the SI is quicker then an auto LO3.

 

Auto TPI 305 third gens are on par with stock SIs. If the TPI third gen can hook up it should take a SI no problem.
The only reason I said "In fact if you were going to race your TPI 305 stock vs. a newer stock civic SI, I'ld pick the SI!" to 91gta_tpi was because he was lipping off. In reality I wouldn't pick a winner because it would be a close race.

 

 

:lala: I took Tyler to the track today, it was a close race but I beat him Ha ha ha:lala:

 

Wait, are you saying you beat the honda? If so, Kick ***, good kill man

 

Good job.

 

Rock on man! Don't let that little 1987 12 valver push you around!

 

The track was only an 1/8 mile I think if it was a 1/4 mile he would have won. At the end of the run Tyler was starting to catch me.

 

good run man:rockon:

 

Cool, but hey whether he could have won in the quarter of not, all that matters is that you won. Good job!

 

well all this talk about 305's must make me jump in again. so i guess my 305 that took me all winter to build is slow even though it runs a 13.4 without turbos, nitrous anything. and thats 13.4 without even aftermarket heads. but it's a 305 so it's slow.