Hey all, I got a question…
My cousin has a 04 mustang cobra and I was just curious…how much money would I have to spend to make my Camaro beat his stang(or even come close?) He took me for a ride in it a while back and my ***…I’ve never been in anything so fast in my life.
Right now my camaro is a stock 305, but next month I’m dropping a 350 in her. What next?

 

read, alot, either here or else where then when you have some specific ideas ask questions and research your ideas a bit more.

 

Well your gonna need alot to beat it. Those things are high 12 second cars. Is the 350 your putting in a roller 350 or non roller. If its a roller than here is a combo that will get you want you want:
Scroggin and Dickies modified Vortec heads, Lt4 hot cam with 1.6 roller rockers(comp cams XE274 cam if not a roller engine), Edelbrock performer RPM intake, 1 3/4 headers and full 3'' exhaust, 2200 stall, built suspension, good shift kit and servo, and at least 3.42 gears.
I dont know what type of induction you have but if you have a carb go with a good holley at least 650 and if you have tpi switch to a stealth ram setup. This setup should give you mid 12's. Good Luck.

 

Those 04 cobras may be capable of 12's but I dont think I've ever seen one in stock form running those numbers. I usually see mid/low 13's from them.

Getting a 350 into the mid/high 12's isn't very hard to do if you have basic mechanical abilities and can tune.

 

I'm not sure about the 350 im getting, its coming from advance auto parts. does anyone know about those engines?

 

Probably a high 15-second motor in one of these cars.... most likely cast dished pistons, smogger heads, 929 cam replica, cast crank, etc. etc. Not a "bad" motor, but absolutely not in any manner way shape or form a high performance one. Think..... replacement construction company truck motor. That should put you in the right frame of mind.

 

Do you have a specific budget? An L98 shortblock would be a good place to start or if you have the dough a zz4 shortblock would be even better. With the zz4 shortblock, good heads, exhaust, and a properly setup car you could easily break into the 12's. I havent ever seen a stock cobra run 12's either in fact my I have taken down to in my girlfriends mildly modified T/A. But in his case its better assume that his cousin is running at its best that way your shooting a little higher.

 

A Cobra with a good driver will hit 12s easily @ around 108mph.. If the owner decides to spend around 2k in mods you are seriously screwed. A few bolt ons (pulley, exhaust, tune,Mass air) and the 03-04 Cobra can hit 500RWHP and trap over 123 mph. Most hit 460-480 with theose mods, but it is very easy to hit mid 11s in these cars without doing much...

There is a ProCharger kit out now that will take place of the eaton blower that can produce over 648 RWHP on the stock engine.. The engine has fully forged internals using good parts and can handle a ton of boost.

So in conclusion. The Cobra OWNS JOO!!!!

 

er... what he said!

 

Ah dyno numbers dont win races 500RWHP its useless when you have some cocky driver who has rubber bands for tires. I'd fear no Cobra on radial tires.

Have fun hooking a 500rwhp car with a manual trans, typical cobra owner, and crappy tires.

 

LOL Of course dynos don't win races. But the 500RWHP has been proven mid 11s on street tires at the track with these cars.. Cobra's are no joke..A few bolt ons and they are very quick.


Even a crappy driver with 500 rwhp spinning their dumb a$$ off can still hit low 12s at the track.

I am just as sure none with the mods mentioned would fear your car.

 

I got 20 dolla saying I can spank any 04 Cobra that has radial tires and the factory suspension

COBRA KILLA

 

Line em up and run em. Bring back time slips. Make it tech. Otherwise, this is non-tech BS, just a bunch of monkey-spank and runny-mouth drivel.

 

Calling out the wrong person. I do not own one..Go post on the SVT boards. Might need to spend more than a 20 to get a race though. Like I said before, there are guys hitting mid 11s with stock susp radials with just the bolt ons mentioned earlier. Just make sure you can hit mid 11s and you will be fine for a close race.

 

if you know what you're doing, its not hard to beat the performance of a stock or slightly modded one.

everyone thinks they're badass because of the peak HP numbers... really, they weigh so much that they dont run all that fast. even slightly modded (heavily modded, its harder to beat)


the standard vortec head/good cam/converter setup will net you mid 12s. so assuming you know how to drive it, thats fast enough to make the "i think im badass" mostly stock LS1 drivers and the "cobra cant be beaten" cobra drivers go "huh?!"

 

their problem is, they have a hard time getting their heavy asses faster then that...

meanwhile, i can add boost or spray to the N/A car doing that, and dip into the 10s.


edit, plus i weigh less.

 

Look, it has already been proven the Cobra to be able to run the times mentioned.. I would say that is running fast.. Of course not all owners can drive and there will be idiots who get bad times.. But to say they are not fast ( mid 11s) for the few mods done is retarded. It has already been proven what they are capable of.. Sheesh.

 

Dumb argument.. Could should would crap.. They can bolt on a Procharger and run low 10s also.. Where does this stupid kind of reasoning go?? Nowhere.

 

compare apples to apples here.

not all that fast as in, they make f*cking 550 at the rear wheels and only do a high 11, meanwhile another motor making 550 runs low11s-10s or less

geeze dont be stupid.

im the ****er with a lightning blower (same as the cobra, a eaton M112) going on my SBC... i hang out with mustang guys, (including cobras) all the time.
they know the cars are heavy fat pigs.. and we joke about it.

dont be so **** touchy.

 

Say what??Give me a break.. it is obvious you are talking out of your *** and do not know what Cobra owners have already done with these cars. With slicks and a few bolt ons they can hit 10s. Add a diffferent blower and *** knows what times they will run. Some are in the 9s already with t he stock motor.

 

Are you that clueless??? Slicks witht the bolt ons and they have already run 10s.. Like I said before, please stop the ignorance.. Go read up on these cars and then come back to this post. Sheesh.

 

you're just looking for a fight huh?



1 power adder Vs 1 power adder.


thats all i was pointing out.


but nevermind... cobras are g0d or whatever... im just going to crawl back into my slowmaro, and go like i planned... meet jeff the cobra owner up at cooper, and help him get lower times out of it since he added the new intercooler.


edit:
whats really funny is that yes, i really am going to the track to hang out with a guy named jeff that owns a cobra.

 

Not looking for a fight.. Just correcting you. Show me where I am wrong wth the times/ mods mentioned in reference to the capabilities of the Cobra. I would love to see that since you seem to think differently.

I do not know why people get all pissy when I point out the facts on what the Cobras DO and HAVE run with the mods mentioned.. you clained they did not run..I corrected you. Sorry to get your panties in a bunch... Oh well.

 

Heres a couple of fast 03 Cobras from my area racing at the track I go to weekly... Yeah they're 03's and not 04's but its still the same, right?

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.co...06_mmff_cobra/

They're fast but they dont impress me (especially Nitrous Petes)... Notice how inconsistent they are due to suspension and driver error? My point is regardless of how much power a car makes theres a good chance a slower, less-HP car will win especially when you have a Cobra, Corvette, Viper, or any other over-powered/priced factory production car.

 

Anytime in racing, anything can happen.. Of course the Cobra could lose to a less h.p. car, but based on your article, those bolt on cobras were still hitting mid to low 11s on their worst runs.. 10s on their best.. Now that is pretty damn good for a stock longblock production car with bolt ons.



overpowered/priced?? The Cobra is the best bang for the buck out there right now.. it is priced very reasonable for what you get..and can do easily for anew vehicle.

Of course I have seen arguments like (not your argument).... well I can by a 3rd gen for 1000 bucks build a motor and beat the Cobra for less than half the price.. Another dumb argument. Some hilljack could then say they can build a Pinto for 2k and have it beat a 3rd gen.. What is the point in these arguments? It never ends.

Price is relative.. For what is on the market right now, the Cobra is one hell of a value on a new vehicle based on it's potential.. it is the best platform on a new car to mod and that is considered a reasonable price for a new performance car..

 

Keep in mind that red one is completely gutted, has 2 power adders, and has an automatic transmission. The grey one is more like the kinda Cobra you're talking about - yes its fast, looks good, isnt too expensive (compared to its competition), and overall seems to be a great car BUT, the original question of this post is "how do I beat a 04 cobra?" You get a mid 12 second car thats consistent. How do you beat one thats got some mods like the Grey one? You take your 12 second car and hit it with some nitrous and pray you stick to the ground. Yeah anything can go wrong in racing but if you have a solid 12 second car vs a brand new stock 04 Cobra that has the factory tires and all on it, I'd say theres a 85% chance you'll win. Dont get me wrong, I'm sure those Cobras are capable of 12's stock but throw in your average driver, stock tires, and a manual transmission and you have a ton of wheel spin and a lot of room for driver error.

 

I see your point, and it is a good one in relation to the topic at hand.

Problem is most Cobras are not left stock. It is just too easy for any idiot to buy one, add less than 3k in mods and have a potential low 11 second car. Then these guys hear about an identical Cobra pulling those times, then starts talking trash about how THEIR car is that fast. But they are clueless on how to drive it and get their *** busted at the track I can totaly see that argument. You can have a full interior Cobra hit high 10's with bolt ons, no juice needed. But like I mentioned for every owner that car drive it to it's potential, there are several others that can't. That doe snto exclude the fact that the car can run those times.

You would need a good shot of juice to go from mid 12s to high 10's. So unless you want it to explode you would need some forged internals and a real good fuel system. We are talking a totally built engine to handle the times wanted.. Not a simple stock shortblock heads and cam L-98 with aftermarket intake and juice. Cobra guys can throw a few parts at their car and run serious numbers, not touching the engine internals.. That is why this car is so popular. Easy to mod fast.



Since these cars are excellent to buy and easily mod for serious power, I would be very cautious as to racing one, becase you will not be able to tell easily if it has had some simple mods done that would open that car up.

 

I agree with Kevin G. Anybody who has half a brain could realize that the best performance bang for the buck out there right now is the 03 Cobra. There are a few in Tucson that have some basic bolt ons and they are touching mid 11's at 3,200 feet track elevation. thats High 10's at sea level. DAMN impressive. Its just a simple formula I can't believe other car companies haven't caught on yet..........roots blower+forged short block=kickass! If I had the money I'd definitely buy an 03 Cobra, but I'm just a broke-*** engineering student Some day when I graduate I'll probably snag one, because in a few years they won't be so *** aweful expensive.

 

I like them because they are fast stock and easy to make a lot faster.

I dont like them because they are the Supra of today, dont run the times the power should be running.

I have seen and heard of 12.4s bone stock and 13.6s bone stock ALL in the driver. They are tough competition but not unbeatable, just going to take some power to do it!

 

Stop by Maple Grove June 4-6. I'm sure you'll find PLENTY of 03 and 04 Cobras that would put radials back on just to smoke you. There's a local guy with the full KB package and 19x10s with Michelin Pilots thats pulling 1.6 60s, and hooks really well on the street. Just food for thought...

The new supercharged Cobras are downright awesome! And I'm no Ford fan Stock they have trouble with very mild bolt-on LS1 cars, but a couple cheap mods and they are VERY tough to beat on the street - even on radials.

 

I never said they were slow or of bad quality.. I just said that a STOCK one that was just purchased by your average Joe will more than likely get beaten by a solid mid 12 second car. I never said "any mid 12 second car can take it to a Cobra even if it has $5000 of motor work"

 

Um... That's exactly what you said. You should have a mid 12 second car, or faster. You clearly stated:

I don't see the word "stock" in that statement.

 

When did I ever say my car was mid 12's?

 

Okay I know its a old post but I know the perfect answer to your problem..
ls1! Of course with some goods. Cam, bolt ons and you should give him a run for his money if u hadn't already lol

 

All you would need is some type of forced induction. Supercharger on a 305 should put you into the 11's.

 

Tell you what , you put a supercharger on your car and it will accelerate faster than C5 corvettes and any Cobra.

 

7 years from the dead! "Old post" is an understatement. Something tells me the OP isnt trying to figure this out still.

 

Well, i hope he did figure it out.LOL Wonder what he went with?

 

You seriously bumped a 7 year old thread for THAT. I doubt the OP cares much.


ANY Cobra or C5? Yeah, no....

 

Um...maybe with a ton of other work in addition to the blower.

 

You do realize that bone stock C5Zs have gone as low as 11.7 at 118 and 12.3s are pretty average, right? You also know that 2003-04 Cobras dyno about 350-370rwhp stock, correct?

 

Just let it go, the guy talks out of his *** and doesn't have the slightest clue. Apparently his brother's cousin's nephew's 305 with a Vortech would lift the front wheels on the highway...just with a supercharger and some bolt on mods or some crap....

We've had many battles and every time he got called out on his the story would change.

 

Yah...I seem to remember that now. I just don't like shoddy information being passed out as gospel.

 

I hear ya man.

 

I'll throw in my experience since the thread has been bumped. My 99FRC puts 417/417 at the wheels. I beat an 03/04 with a tune/exhaust/pulley kit from a roll on in third gear by a whopping 1.5 to 2 lengths twice. That is extremely close. My vette weighs 3200 or so I'm not light myself at 250 so, my hats off to any modded L98 that can beat one of these. I wouldn't even bother in my Iroc. I wouldn't stand a chance.They are very tough cars.

 

It doesn't even matter when the Cobra can bog it out starting in 2nd gear and still come around you like a spider monkey in your 250rwhp AutoZone 350.

 

7 year old post and you're trying to put down an 11 second car? Get a life.You want some in your 6.0 LSX? Come on up to Wisconsin. I'll show you some tail lights.

 

Those terminators can be wicked.

Stock 365rwh 12.3-12.8
Lightly modded- 475rwh (pulley, exhaust) Low-mid 11's
Aftermarket, ported blowers (Kenne bell, Whipple- 575-650rwh 10 second car.

The best way to beat one would be to get a new motor. A heads/cammed ls1 would even have trouble with a lightly modded one.

 

Let's say you put a supercharger on a ls1? How good will it keep up with the cobra then?

 

Holy crap!!! I do not even remember this thread it has been soo long.