The first was a 99+ Mustang GT. From the light I went right foot off brake to on gas, like granny driving and not using my left foot lol (I'm still not used to this thing yet). I immediately caught up with his jump and beat him by umm, a LOT

Second race was an LT1 Vette. I tried holding the brake with the left and revving to get a better start with the right. It worked for the launch, but he got the jump, and my front end was at his door. After that I couldn't catch him. I'd say by the quarter he had a full length on me. I was in shock lol. WTF I just lost? In an LS1? This cannot be!

 

good kill on the mustang.i always like to hear about those mustangs kills

 

MUSTANGS 99% CANT HANG WITH F-BODYS

 

Thanks but I did lose. in an LS1 car. That's not supposed to happen. like ever.

 

you win some and you lose some..at least u didn't lose to the mustang

 

they're not invincible ya know

 

Welcome to real life...

 

This is funny, I hope there was more here, like this...

"newer Mustangs 99% cant hang with LS1 Fbodies"

Because otherwise, I would be laughing my a$$ off at it. I mean come on, seriousely LOL!

 

bwahahahaa.... i seriously hope you're joking. if you are, then

 

Are you sure it was an LT1? It could have been an LT4 or a modded LT1. All manual '96 vettes got the LT4.

 

The LT4 in a vette wasn't the same as the upgrade kit. Thier good motors, but not a lot of difference between the lt1.

 

The Vette was a manual, and yes I was joking about the LS1 never losing thing.

Just a little 3rd gen inside joke from all the "Can I beat an LS1" threads.

 

Right.

 

Yeah I guess the different heads,intake and cam isn't much of a difference

 

me > < you

 

I know my LS1 isn't invincible, but damn, I didn't think I would chalk up a loss that soon. Looks like I'll be racing like a madman to boost my win/loss ratio this weekend.

 

just race a bunch of those mustangs that r running around everywhere and your win margin will get up there quick :lala:

 

Intake is there to only match the heads, the cam wasn't a hot cam that is sold with the kit. The lt4 came with 1.6 rr's and lt4 heads, the intake doesn't flow better than a lt1 intake, its there to fit the heads. It also has a different knock module to reduce false knock caused by the louder 1.6 RR. As I said, not much different. The lt4 only had 30 more horses than a stock lt1.

Once again, your thinking the "Lt4 converstion kit". which is rated at 425 hp.

 

the ONLY thing different between the LT4 that came in 96 Vettes and the upgrade kit is the hotcam. the LT4 Vettes got everything else in the kit and more...

yes the intake is basically there to accomidate the raised runner ports on the LT4 cylinder heads. the heads themselves are different from the standard LT1 castings... bigger valves (some of them are sodium filled to reduce heat... i cant remember if it was the intake or the exhaust valves that had this), as well as larger port/runner volume (both intake and exhaust). also, the LT4 had slightly different pistons for a bit more compression (10.8:1). the crank was different than an LT1s also

one more thing... GM underrated the LT4 motor so it wouldnt overshadow the upcoming LS1. people on www.corvetteforum.com have confirmed this by putting a few bone stock LT4 Vettes up on the dyno. they make just as much RWHP as a standard C5
my own bone stock 93 Vette went 13.63 at 104.84mph with a crappy 2.14 60ft. the best time ive ever heard of for a stock LT1 was by a guy named Mr. Mojo who went a blistering 13.0 at 108mph! this was accomplished with a low 2.0 60ft and 6000rpm powershifts. its not impossible for a well driven LT1 Vette to outrun an LS1 fbody

 

Thank you

 

Isn't that what I said? Heads, RR's and knock module... Not sure if they were different on the vettes and f-bodies as far as pistons and bottom end.

 

no, this is what you said:
and again, the ONLY difference in the upgrade kit and the LT4 Vette is the hotcam. the hp ratings are different, but thats because GM underrated the LT4. the actual power rating for it was around 350 - 360hp. also, the advertised "425" hp was acheived with a set of headers. so if youre putting the LT4 kit on an LT1, you WILL NOT see the 425 horses without some kinda exhaust work. so assumming full exhaust is probably good for at least 25hp on a package such as this, the difference between the LT4 kit and the real thing is about 40hp

you also said this:
again, thats wrong. different heads, intake, cam, rockers, springs, valves, pistons, ECM, crank... id say thats pretty different

one final nail in the coffin: "Vette" magazine drag tested a bone stock LT1 Vette agaisnt a bone stock LT4 Vette back in 97'. the LT1 went 13.6, and the LT4 went 12.9. now do you think SEVEN tenths came with only a 30hp difference?

 

the 425 hp rating was using ported heads and a $3000 dollar aftermarket PCM and larger throttle body. Gm underated all thier engines, its no secret.

 

 

I've beaten atleast three LS1 cars on the street. But they have so much potential. I know someone who ran a 12.5 with a stock(had an aftermarket exhaust) Firehawk on street radials.

 

MUSTANGS 99% CANT HANG WITH F-BODYS

:lmfao:
As much as i hate DiscuSTANGS , man they still put up good fights and they can be fast as well, they always compete with the Fbodys, both have there pros and cons, but i perfer the Fbody..

why would u say 99% of stangs cant hang with the F body?

 

Mustangs deserve respect just as much as F-bodies. Even though I don't likem they get my respect.

 

Exactly.

 

 

 

dp

 

yep, although most late model mustang owners don't seem to think anything of our third gens. its always satisfying taking their money and humiliating them. the fox body guys are much cooler, then again the late model mustangs like to give fox body guys **** too but never seem to have the steelies to line up with them

 

The closest 99+ GT I know of ran 12.9 @ 106, but has exhaust, and a Vortech SC... He is a cool guy though, and a good friend, but I am not worried about the competition.

The closest third gen to me is a guy that ran 12.8 @ 110 but I believe he has a 383 stroker with 430 hp!

 

Yet another car goes down to the Godly LS1:

This time it was a Mini Cooper. His windows were down and I looked and saw a 5 inch Autometer tach on his column, and then he threw a rev at me. I really didn't know what to think at that point. Light turns green, I let him take off, get on it, pull up next to him, pause, and then proceed to dish out the ownage. It was good for a laugh I guess.

 

lol, 383 stroker running high 12s? gotta say thats pathetic lol, my 350 runs considerably faster

 

Hey! So what are you saying? I make fun of myself???


It's ok, i'd like to consider myself a Fox guy rather than an SN95 guy.

 

naw, you're one of the true mustang guys. hehe if you like stangs you like all of them, even the dreadful Mustang II to an extent lol. if you're just an arrogant punk with a new GT, u think you've got the fastest thing in the world and than those "old trashy mustangs can't hang" lol. I've seen it a lot, they are just as bad as ricers. some of the LS1 kiddies are like that too, but unfortunately unlike the 5.0 crowd who have stock cars that are just as fast as the new GTs (if not faster lol), the fastest of our stocker 3rd gens are a full second slower than the LS1s :-/ oh well. Seems like the hate goes both ways on this board. I don't know why there are so many LS1 haters here...

 

That's what I'd like to know besides of the attitude some LS1 drivers against 3rd gens but remember most 3rd gen owners had the same attitude with the 2nd gen owners when they were the "top dog" and so on.....

but as far as me I like all fbodys regardless of generation, they all have their good guys and they all have their punks.

 

Whoa a 12.60 all motor?! I have close to the same setup minus the stall, and my lid is an MTI one. I guess that converter makes a big difference. I haven't run mine yet though.

 

Oh yeah, the converter made a fairly big difference. Before I installed it my best was around a 12.97 with most runs in the 13.0 range with a 1.9/60 time

 

How high did you hold the rpms on a launch with the stock one?

and I'm assuming you start in first and bump it up to 2, 3?

come on man you gotta teach me how to drive this thing into the low 13s lol

 

I thought "turning to the dark side" was dropping in a big block? When did that start meaning LS1?

 

I always thought getting an LS1 or a stang meant the dark side. There's not enough hate for the big blocks to call it the dark side.

 

With the stock verter I got the best results from just punching it from a idle. And whatever you do, leave it in either D or OD The computer will shift it at the perfect rpm for your motor......right around 6grand. Do you have any times yet?

 

I agree, seems there's as much or close to as much hate for the LS1 here as the imports and stangs

 

i think those things are ugly as hell

 

Theres no hate for LS1 engines, I think their great performance makers. Althought thier powerband is high up top, something I don't find too fun. What most people don't like is all the people playing the LS1 as the *** of all engines.

 

They do have alot of top end but they make plenty down low also. Bone stock with 400 miles on it I pulled between 5.0-5.2/0-60 times and with the few mods I have now I've cut that down to the 4.5 range no nitrous of course, so I think the "no low" is a slight misconception

 

I've driven my cousins 00' LS1 and its no fun down low. I floored it from a stop and I didnt feel nearly as much as driving my LT1. His car hauls *** on the highway, but from a stop....*yawn*

 

Try driving an M6 or a stalled A4.

No Dano I don't have any times yet. This car was a garage queen and still hasn't seen 100mph yet.