i dont get how all of you guys on here talk so much garbage about the v6. i was out with sum friends expecting to have my *** handed to me by some civics and such. i raced 2 civc hatchs probly early 90's one was a si. beat them. raced a older integra im guessing a gs. beat him. i jus thave a 90 3.1 rs auto and im not gettin killed by these civics. wen i went out on the road my car was bne stock. im guessing i run a low to mid 16 so how do all of you get killed by civics. i jsut dont get it.

 

I havn't lost to one (even when I had the 2.8). I got raped by a turbo CRX one day though...

 

You are lying, I had a 89 Firebird, with a 2.8L, in really good running conditon, always tuned-up every summer, and man did I lost to so many Civic SI! The only cars I have won that I can remember right now are Neon and a Elantra...

 

He did mention older models though.

 

ok im sure i run close to low 16s which is what pretty much all the civics run. i don't get why you other 6 bangers cant stand a chance with these cars. and its not too hard to get our v6 decently quick. iveseen them that run low 15s. which would easily beat a lot of civics. i can guarantee you id rather have a 6 banger than a honda civic too. im not sayin our v6 is anythign special but its not as bad as everyone says.

 

They are not that bad considering the cars that you have beat have the smallest displacements and power curves on the road. There pretty much isn't anything slower to pick on that is driven whether it be work trucks or SUV's. No offense. However, the 3.1 is leaps and bounds over the 2.8. I doubt you are low 16's by the way. That is stock L03 territory. Most of uncle bens finest run 17/18's when stock.

EDIT: However, on the good side you have a platform for an almost unbeatable road course vehilce when prepped right. No 3rd gen V8 car touch the weight distrobution of a V6 car.

 

My friends little brothers friend has a 91 firebird w/3.1 auto and took it to the track for the first time all stock pulled off a 15.9 in the quarter

 

thank you.

yes were are not quick but you have to look at it we probly weigh about 2800 lbs with no driver and are pushin 140 horses i think. and after a pretty good tune up new dist cap, plugs, wires, belts hoses, im sure im around 145 possibly 150 thats probly pushin it. so if you look at it with me in the car im not even sittin at 3000 lbs and im rite around 150 horses. so im definetly in the low 16s possibly high 15s.

 

Yeah i don't know why people bash the six. My friend has a 92 V8 RS and I can take him in my 92 V6 RS. Of course the six has numerically lower gears. But even then then really aren't that bad. I know people who have V8's and have had their a** handed to them by civics.

 

He probably has the poor tbi.

 

It is true that people talk garbage about the V6 (non-TTA ) thirdgen's. However, you have to remember that early 90's Civic's and stuff aren't that great. They are dog slow, have engine with a way smaller cubic displacement than yours. They are also not light enough to argue comparibility regarding power to weight ratios either. Plenty of small import cars will take out V6 thirdgen's with ease, and the right driver, stock versus stock.

I'd be very surprised to see a stock V6 run a low 16-second quarter mile time.

However, despite their failings, yes, if I had to then I'd rather have a V6 thirdgen for a daily driver than an Uncle Ben!

 

QUOTE] However, you have to remember that early 90's Civic's and stuff aren't that great.[/QUOTE]

yes, people have to realize the fact that technology has changed greatly within the past 12 years. Yes, our 6's are slow compared to the newer cars but our cars were built more than a decade ago.

Ryan

 

QUOTE] However, you have to remember that early 90's Civic's and stuff aren't that great.[/QUOTE]

yes, people have to realize the fact that technology has changed greatly within the past 12 years. Yes, our 6's are slow compared to the newer cars but our cars were built more than a decade ago. Our 6's could probably contend with 80s and early 90s v6 cars.

Ryan

 

sorry for the double post. wanted to edit it later and reclicked the submit button.......

 

No offense to the v6 guys, as I was one, but its still a older technology V6. It won't be able to hang with a whole lot, thier isn't much to gain on them unless you do a lot of work to them like fbodytrek or throw a turbo on. No offense to the original poster either, but most v6 users are in denial when they think they have a performance engine under the hood. They can't hang with a lot of cars.

 

Unfortunately he's right. I sorta ran a member on here who had a 3.1 w a 5 spd, granted it was not a real race, but he out pulled me (he was stock). I still have a ways to go before I would consider my car even "quick" but I ain't looking to run 13's either. If you own a v6 and want to race it, spray it, or you will be outmatched 75% of the time.

 

The V6 gets a bad name because of two main reasons..

1)Their Stock 1/4 mile times are not impressive

2)They are a PITA to mod and very expensive with minimal gains

 

unless it's a B4C, yes he does .

I have never, ever lost to a v6 third gen in my Elantra. I could see a v6 car dusting the 92-95 Elantras, but once Hyundai started putting their 2.0L Beta in it in '96 and up... hell, I have "hung" with a 4th gen v6 car in my '01 Elantra GT. I wasn't passing him, but he wasn't gaining either. This was from a stop. It was a 3800 v6 car, as it had the 98+ front end :lala:

thing is, my Elantra is a mid to low 16 second car stock. Maybe I run into a lot of crap drivers?

It is a great daily driver, though

Let's look at the v6 engines available in the third gens, excluding the 3.8 cars
LC1 V6 8.5:1 2.8 (173) 102@4800 142@2400 (82-84, 2bbl)
LB8 V6 8.9:1 2.8 (173) 135@4900 160@3900 (85-89, MFI)
LH0 V6 8.5:1 3.1 (191) 140@4400 180@3600 (90-92, MFI)

I understand the whole "run what ya brung" or "this is what I got" mentality, and that's fine. I just wouldn't expect much out of the v6 third gens. Unless picking on 80s to mid 90s imports is your cup of tea.

 

I don't see how, Hyundai's are the biggest pieces of crap on the road a guy I work with has one it is slow as **** its a 98 model to, he takes care of it but its just a cheap SLOW car. I don't even see it being a 16 second car, the only way you could hang with a 3.8 is if it was in park or the parking brake was on, and a freind of mine has a friend who has a 91 bird with a 3.1 and did 15.9 at the track all stock auto first run ever.

 

I think that the main reason that we all "dog" the V6 is because it is not a performance engine, no matter how you look at it. It was put in these cars to satisfy insurance companies and parents (and mileage too). Thats really it. As far as modding a V6 goes, probably the best thing you could do is yank it out and stick in a V8. I know that is a stereotypical reply on these boards, but if you want a fast thirdgen with a V6 you are gonna need some turbo or a supercharger. And if you spend that much on a V6, you are probably retarded. No offense to the TTA people, that is completely different. Those cars came that way from the factory and are worth a lot of cash.

 

I believe it. I took my brother's rental 2000+ Hyundai Elantra GLS (?) out for a spin one day, and I can tell you firsthand that there is no way a stock or lightly-modded 2.8/3.1 thirdgen can hang with those things. No way. As far as racing the V6 thirdgen goes, sorry to say that you will lose much more often than you win, unless as another poster already pointed out, you are only racing 80's/early 90's imports.

 

my point exactly, we have to pick on cars from our period (80s and 90s imports) or else we will get our *** handed to us

 

i don't know why we did this, but i work for a rental car company and we had a nice new toyota echo w/o the power steering. So me and my friend spot my friends 92 RS camaro(v6). We have a quick race, and the echo was pulling on him hard, so we showed mercy and just coasted and let him think he beat us.

 

http://money.cnn.com/2004/04/28/pf/a...qualitysurvey/



a 16 second car is slow. . My Elantra...is slow. It is a mid-16 second car....and it is slow. I can't help that I can pick on other slow cars with it

eh, believe me or do not, I don't care. I never said he was el grandiose driver extraordinaire . Could have been an auto that still managed to f' up the launch. I just know how it played out. Engine sounded to be running okay.

purple monkey dishwasher
:lala:

 

That is what I say to people who say that a Hyundai Elantra can beat a 3.8 V6 car, the 3.8 is a good 15 second car, the Elantra is a good 18 second car in the 1/8 mile, maybe? I know someone who has a Hyundai Tiberon (99 I think) and don't they have the same motor as the Elantra in a smaller lighter car, and he runs a 18 second quarter, put bigger wheels on and it ran a 20 second quarter.

The 15.9 is a confirmed time from a 91 3.1 auto bird

 

Ahh... reading test time: Here is what was posted by 89formula383 vs. what is said above.

Never said he beat it... said he "hung" with it which is entirely viable. His car is a manual...he can drive it I assume. Other dude could of had an auto or blew launch.




Per SLP and Car and Driver: The SLP Camaro RS which is rated at 205HP and 225 lb. ft. is good for: Standing 1/4-mile..........15.8 sec @ 86 mph

Source


18 Seconds? Try 16.3 .. which means it is within .5 secs of the 3.8 V6 F-body meaning it is very feasible for him to have "hung" with him do to driver and launch variances...

Source


Interesting Comparison, Looks like the Elantra scored second in the test of comparable cars?

Not a bad finish in a very competitive market.

Congrats...you friend is a terrible driver. That car is a rebodied Hyundai Elantra equiped with the same 2.0 Beta 4 cylinder that the Elantra is. The same chasis. The same suspension. Damn near the same weight...and better aerodynamics. Meaning if its a stick, a competent driver should be able to get a comparable time.

Lets see some vid. Because in my view and what I have found reading...it is getting deep in here. Low -> Mid 17's is what I'm reading. It may **** some people off but my personal opinion is that V6 F-bodies are great....for parts. Unless you are gung-ho about your 6 cylinder and are accutally doing something grand.

 

It's a Hyundai man, get over it!

 

Face it... Many of today's econobox cars including Hyundais are faster than every V6 3rd gen any many faster than GM's <cough> <B>L</b><i>ow</i> <b>O</b><i>utput</i> 3. Our cars are behind the game by today's standards...all we can do is mod and keep up...or ahead.

edit: removed incorrect comment -87f383

 

Facts? What facts. I only stated my opinion.

 

Opps... that was supposed to be in the post above as an edit. Sorry bout that. The second part is still valid though. Been up for almost 2 days...

 

Dudes, the attitude is like so think you could chew on it, in here. I have a beater V6. Yay. I like it because it seems to handle better than my GTA. I KNOW it has a way lower amount of torque, but that's okay, I'm not suffering from delusions of grandeur about my V6 car. Of course, it also needs a decent tune-up. Now about the LO3, it has something a lot of V6 and I4 cars don't have: Torque. Maybe not a lot more, but it has more. I acknowledge the fact it doens't produce a lot of HP, though. I sure wouldn't mind getting someones trashy 305 (LG4, L03, whatever) for free and dumping it into my Firebird and using the 2.8 as a lawn ornament.

*steps off soapbox*

 

how... WTF... look at my sig... i run 15.9's with a tpi

i need a new car, fugin a

 

2800lbs stock weight is a FAR fetch
3100 or so MAYBE but not 2800lbs
I would guess more like 3200-3300lbs
at lightest maybe 3100

 

granted the early ones are dog slow
most having only 110hp or so at most

but quite a few of them are very light like the civic hatch weighing in at 2100lbs at most

or the CRX

same thing as well as quite a few others

but the power just isn't there

 

and even some of them can beat a thirdgen v6 and some of the V8's
even without boost

 

there is a difference between a late 80's early 90's civic and late 90's early 00 civic or import

that would be like me saying hey I beat a 80 thirdgen
don't see why everyone loses to those camaro/firebird cars all the time


hell when your racing a thirdgen and everyone else is racing ls1's

there is a little bit of a difference


no offence just trying to show a point

 

you are wrong the 92 v8 camaro weighs 3105. and the v6 is at LEAST 200 punds lighter than that.

 

my 91 v6 weighed in at 3150.

 

with you in it?

 

care to show where you got this info


my understanding is many of the 305 equipped cars are in the 3300-3400 range
while some are in the 3600-3800 range for the 350

 

Nope.

 

who said I beat him?

oh, wait, you did

come on, now. I don't think anything in the past 20 years has run as atrociously as an 18 in the 1/8th mile. I love my firebird, but I know one day some little import is going to slap it silly, even after I toss the LO3. May not happen for years, but it'll happen eventually.

yes, the tiburon has the same engine as elantra, the same 2.0L, and yes, it is lighter, it is just a shortened Elantra chassis. but an 18 second quarter mile time? this person is a horrid driver. both tiburon and elantra are slow imports who can run with and beat most v6 f-bodies. deal with it . You're acting like I'm saying my car is a *** machine and beats exotics. It's a FWD 4cyl that hands it to antiquated hardware, or at least keeps up.

don't forget that the 4th gen cars weigh a good bit more than third gens, so that 3.8 isn't going to make it much faster. the stats for the SLP RS car prove that.

i'll get over it when people realize Hyundais aren't the mitsubishi powered pieces of s*** they were in the 80s and early 90s

 

Kevo2k6....I don't even know how to comment on this post....A 1992 V8 DOES NOT weigh in at 3105, if that were the case i would drive a sub-3,000 lbs Thirdgen, which i don't.....

I would love to see where you got this information


Steven90GTA
Hyundai Tiberon running a 18 second 1/4 mile....... ......put the crack pipe down and realize that the 8 is in fact a 5.........DO YOUR RESEARCH.....It can run 15's in a 1/4 mile stock.....

Please don't let your friend who is HORRIBLE at driving represent the entire Hyundai community.....

Plain and Simple, both of you guys have no idea what you are talking about....

 

This is crazy I can't believe that a thirdgen related site is defending Hyundai, we should change it to Hyundai.org I guess and find a new site for THIRDGENS



this guy is not exactly my friend, but he is the perfect example of the r i c e r boy image and the typical person you see driving these cars, big wheels, gaudy ground fx, fart can, and NAWS man!!!!!!NAWS!!!!!!!! ,he might be in the high 15's sprayin but without it I don't see it being much faster than maybe a high 16 low 17, because the guy that ran a 15.9 in a 3.1 auto bird raced him and kicked his *** bad, so coupled with a bad track time and being beat numerous times (from what I hear) his car is slowwwww, he has made several passes with his car did 18 and then when he put bigger wheels on did a 20 second time I have not seen any times with his NOS though

 

we can't all be ignorant

perfect example of the person you see driving these cars... dizzamn, I better get my big wheels, body kit, wing, and fart can, fo' shizzle. Can't forget the NAWZ, either, I saw this one on ebay, it was an old spray paint can with a garden faucet on top, Teh Ult1mat3 5t3l7h, yO!

seriously, though. has anyone ever seen the body kits available for most Hyundais, especially the Elantra? they are worse than anything on any other import. most of them make what you see on a typical riced out civic look factory

g0d, I don't even have a CAI time to r!ce out my daily driver and then kill myself driving my racecar at mad speed, with mad skillz, yo! :lala:

 

The way some of these clowns drive their cars on the street, you would think they had the "Vastly Superior Driving Skills" factory installed.... I hear it's like, a $1,000 dealer option... "Yeah, I'll pass on the RIGHT shoulder, inches from the curb, 'cuz I REALLY got to show up on this crappy V8 GTA! And I've got to bark the tires on that turn too, just to show him the superior handling I got from hacking my coils with a bench grinder!"

True story. I felt sorry for everyone down the road that would have to deal with his idiotic show-off antics. Except the cops. They'd love him.

 

I don't remember him saying anything about you, just some moron who plays the stereotype.

 

i was making fun of the moron sterotype with him

 

My bad, thought you took offense to his comment because you owned one or something.

 

Call the person up that got this 15.9 in their stock 3.1 bird and ask them for the timeslip and scan it in. The fastest NA 3.1 on the V6 boards is AM91_CamaroRS running 15.1 or so, and that is with tons of mods. I do believe that there are factory flukes that run super quick from the factory occasionally, but I do not see a stock 3.1 running 15's, I just don't think its possible. Even in great running condition these cars have a hard time pulling high 16's