HondaCRXHF

1st, NEVER underestimate your competition. When you do, you tend to be more angry that you lost, than if you knew what you were up against.

2nd, not all Civics are 1.6L. Civics with swaps can range from 1.6L to 2.4L.

3rd, there are plenty of street driven 10-11sec Civics. Are they COMMON? not nearly as common as street driven 10-11sec LS1 Fbodies.

4th, HAVE FUN. Why do it if you weren't going to?

5th, you can build a Civic to run 13s pretty cheap. it's just your typical honda owner doesn't. they go for the bling.

6th, like many have said, this is a TV show... i'm sure there's going to be some politics added in and i'm sure the "tool" (as you so affectionately called him) is going to prepare his/her car to win.

7th, Do what you can to win. If you can install a 150 shot, do so and make sure your engine can handle it. You don't want to lose and be walking home thinking: "damn, i shoulda did this!". If you go in, go in fully prepared. Take it from me, there's NOTHING worse than losing a race when you're not completely ready.

Good luck! have fun with it...

junkassformula

http://www.pinks.tv/_wsn/page2.html

Cali Z

How about someone on here with a 10 second 3rdgen try and get on the show so there is less argument going on. It seems to me that most people on here don't want their 3rdgens being miss represented as high 12 low 13 second cars at their best potential. Just my cents.

NHRATA01

Shoot, my vote would be slap a $699 TNT 150 shot wet kit on the 99 Z28, add some slicks, and run in the mid 11s.

I hope you win, but I really think you need to take the race more seriously. These shows live to perpetuate the myth that V8 muscle cars are old tech slow POS's, and anyone's civic dx with a hacked off muffler can take them down. I'm sure they picked out a well modded civic for the race.

LaxStreetRacer

found this.

Says sept. 18 at Cedar Falls

tilstad

I don't understand the obsession about civic's or hondas in general. Here in europa you've got 1 turbo'd and outriced honda for every 100 Bmw, audi or mercedes. Honda's is like for adolecents, and bmw audi and merc can be had with V8's to begin with, not that they are very common though, but they are in greater number still. But lot's of V6's who will spank most hondas any day.

American car makers should look more to those three mentioned brands before the japaneze, allthough the build quality and factorys of the japaneze are superior.

omcrider

Hey Junkassformula, first I find it interesting you used that name for your board post, shows a bit of your disdain for your own car. Second I would think if you have a shop and its any kind of auto shop, winning gets more respect and customers. You go out with your beat up looking 350 Formula and get trounced by this 4 banger turbo packing civic, you wouldn't be the guy I would look to for working on my car. Basically it would be negative advertising in my eyes.

junkassformula

No my car is not junk, its got an arrow str8 body, clean black interior, runs like a champ. I talked to the guy with the honda. he told me its a stock motor w/a t4 and a 5 speed w/slicks. not gutted. I told him if he pulls up in anything different im gonna need some space and he said fine.

LaxStreetRacer

"stock" is a relative term, watch it be a stock h22 with a t4, that might be a worthy combo. Either way good luck, i hope you smoke his ***.

LowRyder

I agree with omcrider on the advertising thing and 100% i would rather have my car built by a winner. Also I wouldn't believe what he says just like i probably wouldn't tell the truth either due to the fact that I wouldn't want to lose my car or the element of surprise. I'll say good luck tho as i'd rather not see you lose your car.

ChrisFormula355

Here's my prediction...you are going to get OWNED by that civic. Your formula looks no faster than high 14s on the motor, maybe low 13's on the bottle, high 12's at best. ON the other hand, I know for a fact there is at least one civic in Tucson with an H22 integra motor and a T4 turbo running a lot of boost and an auto trans, and he pulled a 12.0 at over 114 mph. Either do H/C/I to go with that nitrous dose, or you're not going to win.

prOject-IrOc

H22 is a prelude motor...

B18 is the integra motor.

Crayz9000

Other thing I noticed is that the Civic guy is from Los Angeles. Well, LA is practically the capital of civics. Pretty much every shop around here does import work. Almost all of the wrecking yards are for imports. The auto parts stores stock a lot of imported stuff. And there are a lot of Honda performance shops around here (yes, scoff all you want... but then go talk to the LAPD and their problem with import street racing in Los Angeles. We're talking streets used as drag strips around 2 AM, complete with bystanders and flag lines. Civics routinely hit 90-110 in these street drag races, which causes a lot of late-night accidents.)

Just suck up your pride and take us seriously, will you?

rx7speed

first off if you lose
going to love what your clients think of you losin a civic.... there goes business. and you lose your firebird


second if you don't know what a LCA is why are you starting a shop?


third if you don't know what LCA are then I doubt your suspension is just fine


fourth if you are risking your car for advertisement for your shop and you go about saying my suspension is just fine stock, this is fine that is fine, it's a civic like he could win and blah blah blah your a little cocky for your own good and don't really seem to care much do you really have that narrow of a mind to think a civic can't win


and last I hope you lose. your too cocky to unworried, and just don't seem to care or listen to what anyone else has to say.

nick418

Hes prob not Dustin or whatever his name is, hes prob some lil boy playing games ... He just wants us get all wild up over nothin , and hes winning.

junkassformula

bet money

nick418

how ya gonna prove it?????

fly89gta

iTrader: (1)

or your title

nick418

junkassformula

photo of my drivers licence? with me next to it.

nick418

you wouldnt post it up


now would you?

fly89gta

iTrader: (1)

have it resting on the title to the formula

junkassformula

pow

nick418

wit that said, WHY THE HELL ARE YOU DOING THIS?! YOu know your gonna loose, this civic is prob gonna be a 10 sec car. And like Chrisform said, your car is a 14 sec with NOS its in the 13s. YOu have no chance in hell. THere not gonna put up some lame 16 sec civic on TV. Like everyone said, Start off your free mods, like rippin the interior/ AC everything. Then startin diggin into your motor. Or swap it . Cuz your gonna Choke and loose your car, and then this Civic driver is gonna **** your firebird up. I

FruityOne

Dustin, why the HELL would you risk your car like that? What if you lose the car? I'd put money on the line for a race, money is easily replacable.

I have poured blood, sweat, and tears into my car. There is no way I'd risk it in a race for pinks.

I mean, you could be running against a car like this. Sure you wanna race for pinks?

crazy3rdgen

iTrader: (1)

man i feel bad for you in some ways tho.. i kno you want to advertise your self.. but if you sold that car im sure you could atleast advertise yourself over the radio 2 times a week or sumtin..just wait. you'll know if you have him as soon as he warms up his tires.. THEN you'll either **** your pants or laugh... i watched one video on kazza and everyone laughed at this civic when it spun its tires and then the z06 vette spun them and their all look ohhh wow.. the FUKIN Z06 GOT SPANKED!!!! what was the date on this race again cause im going to tape it..you should nos the **** out of your car and beat the *** out of it down the track.. give that motor hell and kno your going to win.. and not be confident on this little 12.5 bs.. get atleast into the high 11's... dont embarrase us all here on TGO.. we dont need 1 foot wings on our generation cars......

red90bird

ok I may have to see this in person. I saw the cedar falls raceway part but what time is this being done/filmed? is anyone else thinking about going to this?

junkassformula: need more info pls

junkassformula

October 15th cedar falls raceway. I can bring my crew with me so im gonna have a few guys i race with come with. also my buddy knows the owner of whip factory an import shop thats gonna check the civic out.

red90bird

ok I thought it was the 18th...so much for that idea. any idea when its going to be on TV?

Blu91Z28

Considering this guy is coming cross country to race, I'd expect 10's or better. Probably the best you can hope for is something breaking on the Civic. More than likely, you're going to get owned. Good Luck but there's no way in hell I'd race for titles. I see too many fast FWD's. Here's just a few examples of what what I've run into cruising:Gutted and fiberglassed N/A Civic that runs mid 12's, Omni GLH that runs 11.9 @ 118, an older Neon on 18's that kills the Omni from a roll, a Colt with a Mitsu GS-T engine that runs mid 11's and tons of 11,12 and 13 second DSM's.

junkassformula

im guessing early 05

Thirdgen86TA

It's Dustin, trust me. He is a friend of mine and he will be racing his "junkformula" vs the civic. If I can get off work I am going with him.

nick418

well sorry to say but im tryin to tell your friend that hes gonna loose, Like i said, they arent gonna be puttin no lame 16 sec Civic on TV. And with your friends mods and condition of his Bird, it dont look like hes gonna win. Im just tryin to help, b4 somthin stupid happens.....

Orr89RocZ

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I bet that civic runs 11's. Look at the different honda motors and familarize yourself with them to recognize them when you see them. That will give you an idea of what to expect.

For the love of everything you hold dear in you life, DO something to your car to get it down into the 11's. I dont think you know what your getting into. A win will probably be the best thing that will happen to you and your career. I wouldnt do business with you if you lose and said your car was "fine". If this turns out to be a 13-14 second civic and you destroy him, I will eat all of my words and give you your deserved credit. Remember a win is money and we all like money.

Also, that civic owner might feel as rest of us do. He is risking alot and may not have another car to fall back on. He doesnt want to lose his car and probably hooked it up to the point he thinks will not loose. That means 11's or better. He is going against a V8. Turbo and nos and engine swap. Make sure he aint playing you, and try to play him. I cant wait to see this.

CaysE

junkass, why won't you respond to everyone suggesting you mod the car?

HondaCRXHF

yes!
no!

B18 is integra engine
B20 is either a CRV or older prelude

DuronClocker

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*sigh* I'm calling the flag on you as well. I've never seen an L98 car do 13.5s with headers and exhaust only and with no suspension mods at all. You didn't even know what an LCA was and you have a shop?

Also, don't think you have to spend a lot of money on a Civic to get it fast. For the price of most crate 350ci motors, you can drop a blown/turbo'd H22 into a 2100lb body and be in the 12s EASILY. Add a $600 NOS kit and $400 injectors, a $250 exhaust, and a $500 ECU (or a $600 laptop-controlled setup like my cousin's 10-sec TSi AWD Talon), and you'll see low to mid 11's. Not bad for $5k worth of mods. Now, granted, there are obviously other parts that need to be beefed up as well (i.e. trans, chassis), but still, its kind of amazing what you can do with those small motors. They can be VERY efficient.

I almost bought a Nissan NX2000 to drop a SR20DET motor into it for $1500 and be in the low 13s at stock boost and no other mods... that's easily a high 12sec car with little more money. Granted, a Nissan is not a Honda, but still, don't laugh at imports. My buddy has a '92 NX2000, and though it has headers, an aftermarket intake, and full exhaust and is probably putting out 170ish HP and 150ish TQ (figure 140whp and 125wtq), let me tell you...with that 5-speed, in that 2450lb car, it RIPS your head back.

As said above, if this guy is travelling 1500 miles to race you, I bet he's running at least 10's. He can say "stock bottom end" and have an H22 and not be lying. It might not be stock for that car, but its stock for that motor. He could have an imported JDM-spec motor with the stronger internals, and that'd still be "stock". Also, if he says he's got a T4 on there, don't believe "stock" heads. The heads may be the stockers, but I guarantee they have undergone some serious porting/pollishing..

My plan for one of these days is to buy a 1600lb Geo Metro and drop a Mitsu 4G63T into it, or a GM 350ci Watch me run 10/11s all day long.

EDIT: I can't type.

Ian_F

Whatever man, do what you want. You are gonna lose.

1981z28

modd ur car .beat that civic

owned

My money is on the civic. He's got you more than covered.

BTW, stock motor in the Honda world means they took a production motor and dumped it into a 2400 lb hatchback. Sure, its a stock motor, just not what came stock. Matter of semantics.

Even if it is a stock motor (assuming a B16) he's still got more than enough to beat you in the power arena, and is lighter as well.

So what are you gonna do except be a bitch and lose your car on TV?

Suggestions-

1. Up the nitrous system to around a 250 shot. Tuned properly, your motor will hold it. Make sure your fuel system is up to snuff, and DO NOT plumb the fuel feed for the nitrous off the fuel rail, as it won't flow enough. T your fuel lines off before the rail.

2. Slicks and drag shocks, along with actually setting up your suspension. With the nitrous, you should be at least in a comparable ballpark as the Civic. However, especially with TPI, I don't see any scenario that doesn't have the civic out trapping you by 10+ mph on the big end.

So, you need to make it up in the launch. You have a massive advantage here, provided you stop being a jackass and do some supension work. If properly set up, you will holeshot the **** out of him no matter what suspension setup he has.

3. I'd also look into the possibility of a dual stage system. Set the suspension up to be able to dead hook on a 150 shot at the line, and add another 100 shot at the 60'.

Set up right, if you are actually starting with a 13.5 n/a car, the right suspension and nitrous should allow you to yank the fronts on the launch, anjd hold him off on the big end.

But reality sets in here, and instead I'm be looking forward to watching you lose your car and be portrayed as the typical 3rdgen know-nothing ******* on TV.

omcrider

Well all I got to say is good luck!

Ian_F

My guess is total tool

nick418

thirdgens are already get put down. PPl call them stereotpyes. Lot of Mustang and Import forums put these cars down all the time... So Hopefully he proves that thirdgens can kick @SS as well, what else is there to say..... If he loses he makes the thirdgen look bad on TV

Orr89RocZ

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This is like watching/waiting for a war to begin. If he loses, then we all take alittle hit as well. I hope you know what your into. I cant wait to see the outcome of this one.

91formulaSS

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tilstad

I think most of you guys are being a bit hard on Justin here. Who else here have the ***** to put their car on the line like this? It takes a nonchalant person to do it, but of course all of us would like the thirdgen to win.

If he don't win, everybode knows that thirdgens are a dog. But then again, that means lots of opportunities for the rest of us to make some bucks on street races since people think all are dogs.

tilstad

Come to think of something.. it would have been awsum if everybode her at tgo chipped in and built a car for a race like this. TGO's own racing team. That would surely make som jaws drop. This community has about 19000 members, so one dollar each....and Bam! Race car!

That would rock.:hail:

91formulaSS

I think there is a difference between being ballsy and being stupid.

omcrider

Some people just believe that any V8 can beat any I4, maybe he's one of them. His car let him lose it! I think you all need to chill with the giving our beloved third gens a bad name though. Just because one third gen loses a race (TV or not) doesn't make all of our cars slow. Besides how many turbo packing modded slick wearing, big wing, buzz bombs, that are fast actually cruise the streets? I would say 2% of the neon clad conformist are actually performers. Of course I would expect the one to show up for this show to be one of them. So if it takes a highly modified Honda to compete with a stock minus headers and exhaust firebird I wouldn't really look at that as saying were slow.

junkassformula

Thank you