Was cruising late night trying to get a bite, when a Z06 pulled up beside me and floored it, he had a good head start on me, but I lost traction when I downshifted to second...he had me till about 85 mph and I really started gaining when I shifted into third.....I didn't ever shift into overdrive and let off stepped out and had a victory cigarette. He would have owned me top end no doubt but I got him

 

i believe it was a 2003 or 2004 Z06....btw

 

Nice kill.

I've been trying to find a ZO6 to race.

 

I wish i could go z06 hunting

 

would have been a lot better if I was used to the car and knew what rpm I should be shifting at LOL I am a noob

 

Glad to hear your new toy is working out for you.

 

Yup, those Z06's are not as tough as people make them out to be...not saying they aren't fast but they are far from invincible(stock that is).

 

stu your going zo6 hunting in your acura?

 

Your jokeing right?

 

Nope. I've got 277 hp at the wheels and my car weighs 2,600 lbs with me sitting in it. I trap at 106mph at a mile above sea level. I'd probably be in trouble down at sea level, but not so much up here.

On a side note, they'd kill me from a stop on these horrible tires I've got. I can't even run a 13 with them.

 

You mean you wanna race a ZO6 in an integra?
I was looking at a GM Tech magazine, they got a professional drive to put a new ZO6 in the quarter, after a few Good tries. The ZO6 with your average drive traps at about 116mph. You'll get slaughtered!

 

Not at this altitude I wouldn't. AND I'm not really worried about going up against any professional test drivers.

Don't give me crap about wanting to race a ZO6, I trap 10 miles an hour faster than stock C5s, what else am I supposed to want to race?

 

a honda del sol

 

The slowest of the Civics, no thanks. My friend has a stock one, it runs 19's. Although at the NHRA Sport Compact event earlier this year, there was one running 10's. It ran a 12 when the hood flew up onto the windshield at half track, lol.

 

106mph at that elevation would put you very close to Z06 performance. Even with similar power/weight, I'll bet the Z06 jumps (V8 instant torque vs boost lag) out a car on the go and you'll be dead even the rest of the race. Add in bad tires and FWD and you had better hope to find a bad driver

 

You are correct. I don't even really plan on getting one to race me from a stop though, most likely from a roll down the highway or something. I wouldn't even bother getting one to try and race me unless I saw him doing some spirited driving or something. People just laugh at me if try to rev my motor; besides, I started feeling stupid revving on people after high school. I'd like to line up against one at the track, even though I know I'd lose. The guys who take their Vipers to my track can't drive worth a ****. The Vette guys are completely opposite though.

Oh yeah, in a race, there is no such thing as turbo lag. There is the minimum boost threashold, but that only has to be overcome once, in first gear. Even that isn't that big of a deal because first gear is short enough. Luckily, first is so short that there isn't enough load on the engine to even hit full boost in first.

 

I've raced many, many turbo cars, and they ALL had some lag. Stock singles, twins, sequentials, and many aftermarket setups. You just can't make instant boost, I don't care what engine/turbo combination you're running, gear, RPM, etc. Many guys are even brake boosting from a roll (seems to be most popular with the Supra guys), and that helps, but still doesn't eliminate all lag. Even when outgunned by a turbo car, I can still jump a car or two lead before they start to pull.

 

I'm talking about a drag race. You are absolutely right though. Once you hit full boost once, you should remain in boost every time you shift. Every car I've raced from a role has gotten the jump, but if you start in the right gear, then it's really not much. It takes about a second.

 

Just be warned that z06's have an insane high end (and they trap a little higher than 106...) I'd also like to see a dynosheet or timeslips.

 

a second is the difference between victory and embarassment. stick to imports leave the big guns to the big boys. your talking like you can hang with the z06 but all i hear is well if this this and this go wrong for the other guy and i manage to be there in this gear then i might win. if you dont know that you can flat out stomp them or run dead even in any condition dont set urself up for a big slap in the face. just my .02

 

think some ppl with the GN's have been able to launch 8psi of boost or so by putting it in gear and then holding the brake with lots of gas

my friend in his rx7 was able to get about 4 psi reving with the clutch in. and would try to launch while hitting a little boost

 

My buddy with a Neon (went 11.9 @ 110 in Texas) launches in boost as well.


I never said that the other guy would have to mess up for me to stick around in a race.

I think you just sound threatened. Also, I just said I wanted to race one, I never said anything about walking them or anything. What a little girl you are.

Like this guy? lol

I can take some pictures of my dyno sheets and recent time slips if you were talking to me. I'll pick up my camera from work tomorrow.

 

www.dynopro.com
Go to the Mile High Horsepower list

When the site is updated (whenever that will be) I will be in the #15 spot right under Chris with the RSX. I think he was running 13.00s with his drag radials. Hmmm, that might have been in the supercharger RSX though.

Anyway, in the mean time, you can all check out the top list of Camaros and F-bodies, and laugh at the huge lack of torque the Hondas make.

Yes I'll still be posting my dyno sheet and time slips.

 

I dont know what C5 vette your talking about. But ive never heard of one that traps at 96 mph. But the C5 vettes that i know of trap around 110mph, and thats a few mph faster than you. Yeah your car is fast i will admit, but you underestimate the C5 vette.

 

I'm not underestimating them at all. I'm over a mile above sea level, for about the fifth time. Ask BC4TOM or whatever his screen name is, he goes to the same track as I do. All the stock C5s run low 14's with high 90mph traps.

It's like high altitude was just invented yesterday talking to some of you guys.

 

Actually, you talk like the high altitude gives you an advantage... may I ask how? I'm not putting you down.. I'm just kinda new to all this

 

It does give me an advantage. Since the turbocharger is driven by exhasut gases, and the power output is determined by a set boost level, it can spin faster to compensate for the descrepency in air pressure from sea level. A supercharger is belt driven, thus it can't just spin faster, and an N/A motor can't just decide to breathe better to make up for the lack. So, while N/A and superchargered cars will lose somewhere around a second in the quarter mile, turbochargered cars only lose around half a second. Turbo cars have a definite advantage at altitude, it's even more apparent when driving in the mountains.

If I were at sea level, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

 

I have to say...

READ WHAT HE TYPED, he is a mile above sea level. Take a LOT of time and mph off the Vettes you have seen and then compare. My 107-108 traps now would barely be 100 if even that at that sea level. I have the same rwhp numbers (272) but weigh 600 lbs more!

 

I talked to some kid once (this guy looked about 18 years-old) who had a ZO6. It was all beat up (nice big hole in the front bumper) and had the ugliest 20 inch chrome wheels I've ever seen. I asked him what it ran stock, and he said,

'see that guy over there? He's my real good friend, and he drove this car at a 13.1 @ 108mph.'

ME: "With those wheels?"

'Yeah, that was with those wheels on, he's a real good driver and my best friend.'

I don't remember why he wasn't driving his own car, but I do remember that him, his friend, and his story didn't sound exactly true. Those numbers sounded all right to me, but not with the 20's on there. I don't know though, a couple of people I talked to didn't seem to think the story sounded too fishy. When does the C6 ZO6 come out anyway?

 

Well then think of it this way, The ZO6 traps around 116 then at that sea level it probably traps around 105, yet that is STILL FASTER than 96MPH, Right? Do the math, its not that hard, we all have an education right?

 

No one ever said that a ZO6 only traps in the high 90's. I said stock C5s trap in the high 90's, and I trap significantly higher than that, so it's a natural progression to want to race a ZO6. I guess you didn't read what I typed.

What 'math' are you talking about here anyway?

 

Ok he said the Regular C5 will trap high 90s. Figure they are about 108 or so around sea level, that is a 10 mph drop. 116 minus 10 mph for the Z06 is right there with his 106 traps... He never claimed he would kill one just said he could beat one and the facts posted here keep to that! I dont see why everyone makes a big deal about an Integra that can run with a Z06...

 

Hell, I never even said I could beat one, I just want to race one. Thanks Mustang guy.

 

Missing key word here: automatic transmission. An auto will stay in boost during the shift, when a manual trans will not. Press in the clutch, remove load from engine, boost pressure drops. Even the quickest powershift in the world will lose some psi.

1 second is HUGE! It's an eternity! At 100 mph thats roughly 10 car lengths! Give me 1 full second jump on another car and I'll have several lengths on him. So not only do you have to accelerate quicker than the other car just to stop his pull, but you have to accelerate at an even quicker rate just to catch up. The ability to catch up and pass another car after the other car takes the jump shows a large difference in acceleration rates, much more so than beating a car by the same amount from an even start.

And stu is right about elevation not affecting boosted cars as much. Same goes for alternate fuel cars like the alcohol burning cars. They only run air/fuel at around 6:1 I believe.

EDIT: next time someone calls BS about the times or traps up there, make sure you point out in large, bold font you're a mile up. Maybe that will make a point... I believe five7kid runs near you, but I don't think he visits this board much.

 

Let me clarify. When I said it would take a second, what I meant was, at most, and to full boost, not before you move at all. Sorry I didn't clarify that.

Also, you may drop a few psi when you shift, but you don't fall out of boost. That's one of the few reasons that the BOV is so important. It would suck very much if you fell out of boost everytime you shifted at full throttle.

 

I agree, boost is not an on off switch, and that slight second when shifting (of a little loss in boost, not a complete shut down) is not going to be a huge deal. Automatics are better for boosted cars, but doesnt mean the sticks cant run right with them!

 

Maybe real autos are better for boost. An auto Honda tranny can barely hold up to stock power. They are junk.

 

i dont know about anyone commenting here but when everything is said and done no matter what a car runs or what body kit or r icey parts it has on it i just dont care about integras.

you could run 7s and i will still perfer my mostly stock z28 over any integra. the styling is just not for me and i think that one movie we all know just gave people the idea that those tiny cars are so cool when i dont think they are anything at all no matter the degree of modification.

bottom line i think they suck.

 

Since when were we talking about looks? There are a lot of cars I'd rather have than my Integra. Whats all this BS about wings and body kits, do I need to post pictures of my car again? I'm taking pictures of the dyno chart and timeslips right now.

P.S. If you ever admit to liking a car besides your own, that's the moment when you realize that your **** stinks just like everyone elses. Your day will come.

 

Can anyone even see this?

I know these are small, but I will make them bigger once the gallery on my home site is fixed, it's fubared right now. Anyway, the first slip is the 14.2 @ 106 and the second one is the 14.1 @ 104. I'm on the left on blth slips. The car running a 13.5 @ 107 was a supercharger GT Mustang 2001+. The 16.00 was a WRX, must have been an automatic.

The first dyno sheet is the one run I got without the CEL coming on and the air fuel ratio.

The second one is the first pull untuned 250whp, and the 7th pull, 277whp.

Here is the car again, just in case you forgot why a ZO6 wouldn't give me the time of day in the first place:

 

damn talk about a sleeper.

 

i think it would be fun to run my sleeper on ur sleeper

1982 camaro base model with a 400 small block built put in and a 350th trans.its a ugly primer brown with crappy 8inch wide rims with good tires road hugger gts.

 

Here is the dyno. This is the one with the first untuned pull and the last pull.

 

think u would beat my 400 small block those are some impressive numbers in that little sleeper

 

Here is the dyno chart with the A/F ratio.

 

I have NO idea. About how fast do you think you'd run?

Here is my 14.1 @ 104 run. The other car was a 2001+ Superchargered GT Mustang.

 

Plus, as you can see here, I've been a horrible driver this year. Last year I could cut some .060 lights, but not even close this year. With these tires, the best 60' I've ever gotten was a 2.301.

This one was the latest 106 trap. My best was a 106.87mph. That particular run was a 14.012.

 

i could take u in the 400 i think it will run 13s .o well i geuss will never know

 

Good numbers. What did you do to get there?

 

is ur t-5 stock omg i feel so sorry for it .they where never intended for a stock l98 let alone what ur throwing at it.