I see what you are trying to say, but get your mods straight. People with a 1.8t don't do intake and exhaust. They'd do like exhaust and a chip, which is huge for a factory turbo car. Honestly though, the 1.8ts don't get very fast. There are plenty out there that can walk Camaros and Mustangs....blah blah blah, who cares. I don't even know why I'm trying to argue with you anyway. You don't even have a valid argument.

 

even with those parts chip, exhaust intake they still can't walk a stock SS son I see it all the time and i don't need you to explain any thing to me i own a 03 vr6 and i race it and i have an intake and exhaust and i still get walked..........mismatch

 

There is a BIG difference between a VR6 with an intake and exhaust and a chipped and exhaust 1.8t. lol

 

by the way isn't this a f-body forum????
if you don't own one how can you talk about something you don't have??



:hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: muscle cars rule!!!!!

 

LMAO here we go again...LOL...sorry stu this one was aimed at you i think...

and how is it you think a third gen is a muscle car this is another misconseption that the younger generation has ...LMAO

im just getting old but i dont think anything newer than 74 is a muscle car other wise it wouldnt have been smogged up or not made with a bigblock but thats my opinion....





ducks from the flames.

 

You mean like every single other thread in this forum where people talk about cars that most of them know nothing about? Please kindly point out to me where I was talking about a car I didn't know about.



:hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: muscle cars rule!!!!! [/B][/QUOTE]

Okay.

 

Just because you dont own it doesnt mean you cant talk about it.

I know many people, including people on this site, that dont know jack about the cars they own. LOL

 

I wouldnt call a thirdgen a musclecar. Not stock. I think you can make one a musclecar though, and thats my goal exactly.

 

yup that can be done but the guys that are running around in a 305 with a t5 and calling it a muscle car got some learning to do ...LMAO...

 

the reason they stopped putting bigblocks in cars was because of the new laws and restrictions. I.E leaded gasoline, by the way I'm not the younger generation u refered to.
camaro's and mustangs are muscle cars period, they may not make as much power as the big blocks, but none the less they are indeed muscle cars.

 

So any year Nova must be a muscle car as well right? How about the Corvette? The Mustang Cobra II? That's some sweet muscle there!

 

No they are not. If you were truly from the older generation, like us ol fogeys, you would know that camaros and mustangs are referred to as pony cars. Muscle cars are chevelles, novas, torinos, challengers, cudas, etc. We drive pony cars. Also if you think that a 305 camaro can in any way be called a muscle car, man, you need to drive a real muscle car sometime.

 

Do you think that an LS1 4th gen is concidered "modern muscle"?

 

yes cuz LS1 is putting out the numbers that alot of old cars were. also outrunning most of them in 1/4 mile too

 

Wow, what a post...

In my eyes Mustangs and Camaros are not muscle cars, and have never really been muscle cars. Back in the late 60s early 70s they were very close, being larger, with big blocks under the hood, but most muscle cars were built as full framed, large cars, with big blocks, something neither the Mustang or Camaro were (also the Cuda and Challengers could be considered pony cars as well). Muscle cars have given way to the pony car, now call it what you want but Im not saying its a bad thing, just more practicel to have a fast pony car then a moder day muscle car (if you can understand what Im talking about).

If it wasnt for the "other" car owners on here, there would probably be a lot of misguided people with a lack of knowledge on imports, Mustangs and many other types of cars. Believe it or not most dedicated car pages (dedicated to one car and specifically one era of car) has a LOT of people informed about that one car, but most of them dont know a lot about other cars. Thats whats nice about letting anyone post, as long as they do it in a nice timely fashion, you can only learn from them!

m8d2run, I dont know why all of a sudden you are talking about a VW running with SS and crustangs, but that really had nothing to do with this post. In this day and age what your talking about is retarded. There are plenty of imports out there that will put a hurting on SSs and Mustangs, and believe it or not, some bolt ons and a turbo kit is NOT highly modded. I see a lot of Fbodys (thirdgens) with 355s, heads, cams, intakes, the whole nine yards running slower than my car with not much done. Does this mean I can dog on Fbodies? NO! Different strokes for different folks, and just because a few guys cant the combo right, doesnt mean its a plague and cant be done. There are plenty of guys out there who can, maybe not in your specific area, but hey, the worlds a HUGE place, and someone who pays NO attention to imports and spouts off about how great American cars are, probably wouldnt read up on the fast imports.

Oh well, I figured I would insert a Mustang guys .02 as it seems we have the import guy, rotary guy, vette guy, and even a Monte Carlo guys input!

 

very nicely put 25thmustang very properly worded and correct.....

pony cars are the new revolution these are not muscle cars....

i also agree with the imports, mustangs, monte's, and any other kind of car out there you have to read up on them to keep in the circle or your just going to get left behind ...LOL

i myself am a chevy guy thru and thru but to each thier own right?

the first camaro's and mustang's are sleek and nice pony's but still as stated not muscle and thirdgen second gen are a far cry from it too....the only second gens that are close are the 70-73 but those are still pony cars...LOL...

as for the 4thgen camaro's that is correct that they are as close to a muscle car as you can get out of a pony car nowadays with the hp numbers they are putting out but if you look at it that way then arent the mustangs and imports that are comming out with high hp numbers muscle cars too....my reply to that is NO...they are pony cars plain and simple well maybe not the imports but you get what i mean...LOL

 

in my opinion, 67-73 were muscle cars cuz they didnt handle very well and had big motors available. Although they are called "pony cars", there power and looks justifies all muscle.

the rest of the generations to the early 80's were dogs, not ponies! LOL Only in 85 with introduction of TPI and Irocz did performance "start" to come back. It went up hill from there to todays modern world.

The only true pony car is a mustang cuz a mustang symbol is a horse and horses make ponies. LOL

 

Yeah, if Mustangs and Camaros are muscle cars, then so is an M5 and an STi. Makes sense to me.

 

STI is import tuner, M5 is euro muscle sedan in class like new GTO and CTS-V. muscle is all american term with big inch V8's, although a 305 is small. LOL

 

American muscle is an American term. No amount of patriotism can steal a whole word.

 

hahaha, america is bigger and stronger than everyone else, so we take the word Muscle!! LOL

 

actually I think russia and canada is larger then us based upon land mass, china has a lot more ppl then us


and if countries were ppl being that canana is bigger then the us and on top of us the us would be canada's b<x>itch......

 

naww, canada is just a big teddy bear! LOL

 

double....

 

all of the big blocks of late are muscle cars as are modern comaro and mustang cars.....as the " American Muscle Car" regardless of what you think it is a muscle car that is what their intent was.
a corvette is not a muscle is was built as a sports car. an m5 is a sports sedan as are STI's and EVO's and the like.
as far as the imports being as fast as an SS I was responding to what a statement.........camaro's rule and no import will make me think otherwise

 

agreed...camaros do rule...but a civic SI with almost no modding could hang with any stock 305 camaro..



w00t page 2!

 

Opinions are great, but everyone has them. You think Camaros are the best, but the guy with the 11 second Lancer might think otherwise, and even though he wont make you think Imports are the best, he has the faster car right? We all know your opinion, great you dont have to repeat it, and give us no other reason than, its my opinion. Many people think Imports are better, sure not on this site, but the internet is a big place!

In my eyes there are no modern Muscle cars. The GTO is similar to intent, and I would consider the closest but not in the same way the older Muscle cars were muscle cars (if you can understand what I mean).

 

i happen to agree with you well 100%...LOL...

muscle cars arent made from the factory now a days they just arent the mustang and camaro and firebirds were pony cars...not sports cars or muscle cars....

 

Quit whorring up my thread you jerks.






Just kidding, I couldn't care less. I'm trying to sell my car right now anyway.

 

 

Did you see the light stu??

Just kidding man

 

Yeah I hear hes getting a 5.0, after all he wants to go fast without an engine swap !!! JK

 

UH OH its getting deep in here now....LMAO

 

as i see it, cars that are quick in straight line but arent in handling are muscle cars. Today, with Ford lightening (to bad they are discontinuing it for sometime) and SRT10 rams, muscle is still here, but not a car LOL

SS and WS6 LS1 cars can handle somewhat decent. They got the looks muscle and with SLP loudmouth, they got the sound of muscle cars. They got performance to back it up too.

Call them pony cars if you will, but they are still a muscle car. its a muscle pony, a stage above muscle cars. Muscle with handling capability which aint great, its better than a chevelle. Why did big block Camaro's and Mustangs hang with and out run the "real" muscle cars like chevelle, GTX, Nova's, and Buick GSx's etc.? That was a time of high horsepower and speed. Most every car was V8 gas hog. Good times...Muscle Car times...hence why all of them were "muscle cars"

But since fbodys discontinued, the only thing close to being "muscle car" today is the new 05 Mustang. It sure does have 60's muscle car looks and decent power. LOL

thats my take on it.

 

anything that is made to go in a strait line and not handle is called a race car in this day and age ...LOL

the term muscle car is dead and will be forever....its a term from the 60's and early 70's that was for that era of car not the cars of the later 70's thru present ....

the cars of nowadays are still not muscle cars even the 4thgen camaros and firebirds are far from it ...

these cars camaro and firebirds that is are to be called are pony cars or sporty cars..LOL

not muscle far from it.....

look back at a chevelle or a nova and tell me what they have in common with todays cars absolutely nothing at all you cant get bigblocks in these cars when new and the power output numbers were incredible to the weight ratios of the cars in those days....

 

well, who needs a big block nowadays when you got the LS1 LS6 and LS2?

These motors kick butt and a 02 SS will out run most 80% or more of all those cars back then. those old cars were heavy and most models with lower output 396's werent real fast. high 13's at best with decent tires. There are only a few muscle cars that are deserving of "muscle stature". They can be found here:
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclec...s-50fast.shtml

Not to mention that the gas mileage and reliability/streetabily of these Modern cars today. blow older cars away!

Performance potential of the LS1 rivals that of most any big block. Muscle is still here, its just in a different form. More high tech, and more smooth. Not all rough and grungey like old 60's cars.

Savy?

 

and thats exactly why these cars arent considered muscle cars nowadays and not to mention the body lines of the oldercars are more bold and in my opinion nicer (of course ive been called a dinosaur for being older...LOL) than the newer cars....

 

not sure i understand what you mean? why arent they considered muscle cars LOL ? I explaining why they are. LOL, where arguing over muscle cars! lmao

 

yup i see what your saying i think ?

lol
im getting tired and going to bed in a few...LOL

but anything from the 80's and 90's cant be classified as a muscle car as far as anyone can say even on that web site you posted...they call them fastest modern domestics everthing from the 60's and early 70's they called the muscle i cant agree more with that site you posted they have nailed it down pretty much..LOL



nite all ...LOL

 

ok now i see what your saying. but true they are modern domestics, but its including vipers and vettes on that site which are sports cars.

All i am saying is that LS1 fbodies are somewhat considered a muscle car in my book.

But to each, his own!

Nite General!

 

When I called my buddy at the bank to see if I could get a loan for a car, he tried to sell me his. lol. It's some old 5.0. He was all, "I don't know if it's up to the kind of racing that you do, but it's got some muslce, 5.0 baby." I didn't tell him that I bet my car is still faster only running on 3 cylinders.

Anyway, I'm looking to get something with more displacement, more room, and less handling, try to guess what it is.

 

kind of car was he trieing to sell you. a 5.0 camaro ,firebird or mustang ???

 

I'll let you answer your own question by thinking about for at least 3 seconds without being a smart ***.

 

I'll give you a hint though...he probably knows better than to try and sell a 5.0 Camaro.

 

i take it ghye was trying to sell you a 5.0 f-body()more then likly a carbed or tbi one). Because i dont think you would talk that way aout a 305 tpi car.

 

whenever somebody refers to 5.0, its usually a stang, or the police. LOL mustang 5.0, a decent car with good motor.

Stu, i think i know what your getting.

 

Probably a 5.0 Mustang, and you should have taken it, I know of a few of them that run decent for very little invested (we own two actually).

As far as muscle cars go, In my eyes, its a full size car with a big motor, usually doesnt handle and just plain goes fast in a straight line. Now I know with time the cars have changed and so should the idea of a muscle car, but I just cant go calling anything out there today a muscle car!

 

His car is beat up, I've seen it. Of course it's a 5.0 Fox body Mustang. Anyone who refers to a Camaro as a 5.0 is jealous.

 

yes for the most part muscle is completely dead. It died in the mid 70's, GM made an attempt to restore it in the TTA's and late model Iroc TPI's. It failed. Now that all the **** is around they are trying it again. Chevy for the most part gave up,its somewhat rare to even see vettes anymore. They are definitelt trying again,
w/ the GTO, the new crappy hemi's and ls2 technologies. Plus bring back the maros and firebirds in 2007. But as of now the era of fast powerful cars w/ massive motors and blunt body lines are finished. The only recent attempt i have seen is in the 05 GTR. But inmy opinion it should get a bigger motor. maybe a 429 w/ todays technologies.

Oh when i talk about my car its 305. not 5.0

 

The cold war is over now, you can come out of your bomb shelter. I see just as many Vettes as I see Accords.

Thank you, that's exactly what I'm talking about. If Chevy had a registered trade mark calling their 305 Camaro a 5.0, it would have been givin to Ford long ago.