I was on the way to our weekly dinner tonight (BW3's $.50 legs on Wednesdays) and I had just picked up one of my car buddies from his south. I was first in line at a light, and as I was passing through the intersection, I noticed a Third Gen with a (I think) fake cowl hood. I couldn't tell if it was fake or just a rear induction hood. The reason that I think it might have been fake was because it was one of the ones that look like there is a jet engine sticking out of your hood, but there isn't a place for air to get through in the front (kind of like the Mustangs crappy fake hood scoops). I'll try to find a picture.

So anyway, right as I passed the intersection, he merged in right behind me, and was immediately right behind me trying to get through traffic. I knew he'd be game. I sped up enough to give him a gap between the car that was next to him and he changed lanes, just like I knew he would. From the way I made a gap for him, he knew that I was waiting for him.

He pulled up next to me, and I was already waiting in third gear for him, then, right before he could go, I punched it and caught him by surprise. When I had my chance, I cut right in front of him, threw on the flashers, and slammed on the brakes. Then my friend flipped him off and my roommate threw his McDonalds at his car.Just kidding, I'd never eat McDonalds.

Okay, so I'm waiting for him in third gear going about 50mph. He wasn't doing anything, so I goosed the throttle a little just so he knew for sure that I was waiting for him. Since I goosed it for him, I was a little ahead of him (like a quarter panel ahead), but I was still waiting for him to catch up.

Finally, he decided that he wanted to go, so he down****ed and floored it. I wanted to make sure, so I waited a little bit and he pulled a nose on me. As soon as my car got over the little stumble (it sometimes has problems transistioning from vacuum to boost at high rpm) I stopped him dead in his tracks and pulled a little bit in front, then it was time to shift. *Since I started so high in third, I had to shift almost right away. Once I shifted into forth, I really started to pull, but alas, there was a red light ahead, and we were quickly running out of room.

So we both slowed for the light. We didn't get lined up to each other, and were in the back of the pack anyway. He went left, and I kept going straight; we never had a chance to talk.

So, compared to most cars that I sucker into races, he was among the fastest, I'd say second fastest (I think my buddy with the STi could take him, but it'd be close. The STi isn't stock). My best time this year was a 13.890 @106.62 with a 2.358 60'. I think that if we had more room to race I would have put at least two cars on him by the end of forth gear. So, if I had to guess, I'd put him at very high 13's to maybe even mid 14's. The reason I say this is because even though I only ran a 13.89, my traps are higher than other people who run those times (I've got no traction, stock suspension and crappy street tires). Since it was from a roll, in a gear where I don't have traction problems, he could have been a high 13 second car. I'd say it'd be close between him and a stock C5 Vette.

Lastly, this was at over a mile above sea level, just in case anyone forgot. I'd say that he might have been able to take me at sea level, except I had two friends (340 extra pounds) in my car, and he was alone.

 

Kind of like this hood. This was as close as I could find, and it's pretty close. Oh yeah, so obviously he wasn't stock, since stock LS1's run mid 14's up here.

 

Thats a non functional big block hood so if it was for real he had to of made it that way

 

What do you mean? Do you mean that a big block is too big to fit under the stock hood, so he had to get a bigger one? That makes sense.

 

Ahhh, still can't edit.

Anyway, I'd really like to have talked to him so I could have seen what he had, his car was pretty quick. Oh well, maybe next time.

 

It's just the name of that style hood. I think they were originally on the older Corvettes.

 

That hood looks disgusting on that 1st gen.

Too bad you guys didn't have the conditions to race... I hate it when that happens.

 

Yup, thats the same style hood GM used on the '67 Corvette. Only the cars that got a 427 got that hood, hense the 'big block hood' name.

 

rolls suck, it could have gone differantly from a real race. I am sure you still would have took him though or he would have wanted to race again to show you

 

maybe you mean C4 Vette? stock C5s have been known to run well into the 12s at 110+mph. the only way they are even close to a high 13 is if there is a complete idiot behind the wheel

my own bone stock LT1 Vette (C4) went 13.6 at 105mph with a crappy 2.17 60ft its first time out. when my driving skills improved (this is my first manual trans car) i ran a 13.3 at 107. C5s have significantly more power than my car

 

tpivette haven't seen you around
but your lt1 runs 13.6 at like what? near sea level?
these cars are mile high club

you think the c5 is still going to run well into the 12's mile high?

 

That's pretty sweet, maybe you should learn to read.

 

Rolls show who has the faster car, that's all I care about. I don't have the money to spend on suspension and tires. Oh well.

 

have you guys ever noticed that when someone has a third gen on here and they report a win against a r**er they either get bagged on or have excuses to why they won made. but when a "import" take down a thirdgen its nothing but good jobs and thats impressive. not trying to start anything just saying.

 

or tourqe



j\k im only kindding with you stu.

good race man we need to start tapeing are races

 

I won't pick at you on this one.

 

 

From a roll.... not higher hp , but who has the most power to weight ratio. Thats what makes a car fast. LOL

From a roll, torque and suspension for the most part is eliminated. my L98 car run high high 13's because of torque and some suspension. You guys know that TPI cars dont make power above 4500 rpm. Thats why in the 1/8 mile our cars do pretty good but after that, no high rpm power to pull thru the last half of the 1/4. Thats why my car is trapping at 96. A car running 14.2 would kill me from a roll cuz he trapped at 102 mph. Terrible traction.

so from a roll, traction is present and its just a matter of gears and power from there.

 

I disagree. I always see the, "way to put those r icers in their place bub," or similar comments. The only ones I make fun of are the guys who think they're hot s*** for just edging out another extrememly slow car.

 

Yes, thats the point I was trying to get across. What a poor job I did though

 

Suspension? Suspension is for rich people!

 

ah the old internet "learn to read" insult. what a classic. good job guy, i guess you "owned" me. everyone give this guy a round of applause!

question: do you always come off as a dick the first time you talk to someone? show me in your post where i was rude to you and deserved a snappy response. then maybe your post is justified

ok, so now i see the little tiny footnote at the end of your post. does that mean i just missed it? according to you that means i cant read whatsoever

99% of people here DO NOT run above sea level (or live high enough to affect our E/T and mph results). so when you say a proven 12 second car only runs high 13s, it would be better to say "at 5000+ feet above sea level" right away instead of leaving that footnote all the way at the end of your post. after reading how you said a GN was faster than a same year Ttype, i thought you had made another american car mistake, skipped to the "reply section", and posted

maybe youre an alright guy whos just trying to gain acceptance as an import owner in an fbody website. but at least to me (whos never talked to you before until now) youve come off as one of those import kids who thinks hes all badass cause he just slapped a turbo on his 4cyl and now thinks its the fastest thing on 4 wheels

and BTW- racing from a roll and winning doesnt mean you have more power than the guy next to you... dynos give that kind of info. im willing to bet that if both cars were dynoed side by side the fbody you ran would have put up better #s. your car is just lighter

 

hey RX7, yeah i havent been here in awhile... i picked up a few new cars and have been on other sites. my thirdgens are kinda on the back burner for now so i dont visit as often. and my LT1 Vette runs 13.3 now, it did 13.6s when i couldnt drive it

yeah i missed the part about not being at sea level. thanks for pointing that out for me

Stu, take notes from RX7speed. thats how an IMPORT owner should act. you actions label you as a *****

 

yeah but I'm still a little bit of a smart ****

 

Again, its power to weight ratio that is tested when from roll. Now one said roll wins prove more power. Proves who is faster. LOL

You gotta understand, Stu gets alot of crap from people being an import owner on this site. Although some of the things he says come out and sound like being an A$$hole, he really doesnt intend to start stuff. Thats the way he is, am I right stu? LOL

ALOT of people keep forgetting that he is in colorado rocky mt country when elevation is way up there. his post was pretty clear to me at least that he did mention the fact he was at high elevation. LOL

LOL its funny cuz TPIvette89, you picked up that quote about the C5 vettes and about a 1/4 inch under that, you missed the part of high elevation. LOL

 

from a roll. Stu's car may have been faster FROM A ROLL, but it may not have been faster from a stop, or maybe a slower roll. just cause you are faster from a punch doesnt mean you have the faster car. it means you have the faster car from 50 - 100

and i was not one of those poeple who "gave him crap". and cause "thats just the way he is" is supposed to justify being unnecesarily rude to people? gimme a break. theres no excuse for being a dick

he said the race happened at elevation, didnt say anything about the C5 at elevation. his quote was:
nothing about the Vette being at a miles altitude. just between a high 13 second car and a C5 Vette

 

No problem. It was that part where you said, 'Maybe you are talking about a C4,' like I don't know what I'm talking about. 'If any C5's are in the high 13's, there's got to be a complete idiot behind the wheel!' Again, like I'm just some fool who doesn't know what I'm talking about.

Although, I will say this. I reread your post, and it didn't seem as negative as I originally thought. You have to understand that most of my short history here is full of people talking down to me and generally having nothing but insults to say; so I see things a little differently at first. The way I responded probably wasn't justified, but it's also too late now, and it wasn't that bad.

 

It's not just the way I am, that's no way to justify an attitude. Don't try to call me on technicalities like not saying "at high altitude" after every mention of a car or E/T. You don't need super-normal reading comprehension to know that if I'm at high alititude, any comparison I make would also be at high alititude.

Anyway, it's not that my car is faster from 50-100, well it is, but it's more than that. It's hard for me to race from a stop because I don't get any solid traction until third gear. Even at the track, my tires break loose at the top of second, even after I've established traction earlier in that gear.

Just to set the record straight, I just happened to run this guy from a roll. I won't not run someone from a stop, it just happened that way.


Lastly, tpivette89, the other reason why I seem like a dick, is that this board is a little different than what I'm used to. The other boards I post on are a little smaller, so once I've got so many posts in a particular section, I'm used to having most of the members remember things about me. Here, a lot of people spend most of their time in other sections of the site, so by the time I realize that they've just never seen me post before, I've already made the mistake thinking that just don't listen. Sorry.

 

you saw malice where there was none. buttons "4" and "5" are right next to each other. you could very easily hit one instead of the other. this is why i asked if you meant to say C4. and if you had indeed mistyped it, then you would have agreed to my statement of "an idiot has to be driving to hit high 13s"

no it wasnt that bad, but you did snap at me for no apparent reason. i was not one of those people whove insulted you in the past, yet i felt the wrath anyway

not all members here will bash you for driving an import. i realize that alot of the people here dont have much knowledge of what modded imports are capable of. as an import owner you contribute that information so we can more accurately "guess" the outcomes of races (which is what this board is for, right?). just dont be so quick to get on someones case

 

True but he was talking about his race that was from roll. Traction has nothing to do with power of a car. Suspension and traction make a car go quicker ET wise, but not MPH wise. More mph in 1/4 means more hp. You know this for sure so no need for me to tell you about it.

14.02 at 96 is my time but a neon out at the track that night was doing 14.2 at 102. He would out run me from a roll but from dig, i would just edge him out.

It all depends on your definition of faster car. I do the power to weight ratio, as most races i have participated in are from a roll. Not exactly my cup of tea, but i take what i can get. You just happen upon cars while crusing the highways and things happen. No time to stop and go. LOL

Yeah, it was indirect but it was infered to by his quote,
and this one LOL

 

 

After I raced the guy, it took me a few minutes to realize that I could finally post something on here that was on topic. I was so excited.

 

having an import myself(SHOS are not domestic.....no Ford drives like these things at all engine is made by yamaha) i know what its like racing from a roll.....its nice....

 

I don't think I understand why your motor being made by Yamaha has anything to do with racing from a roll? What do you have done to your car? I hear if you want more than like 250hp to the wheels you need to modify the tranny so second and third gear don't immediately break on you.

 

stu I have gone through what you are going through. sorry to say it but many ppl here are ****** just to be ******, some are rude just becauase you own an import, some are just hard headed because they don't know anything and refuse to listen.
there are many reasons for ppl on this site to have problems and being an import owner sometimes makes things worse for you TO START
this place is hard on import owners, mustang owners, basicly anything other then thirdgen owners untill they prove their intent here. can't say I blame them though as like many forums out there a lot of trolls come to this place to do nothing more then stir up trouble and cause us all grief.

and you of all ppl owning a honda are prolly going to have a bias against you from the start though I'm sure you understand being their are many ppl ot there owning hondas giving them a bad name. hell giving all imports a bad name.


it just take's time for the ppl here to warm up to you and your bluntness once that happens things go fairly well. these are good ppl here (well some of them. like all forums a few bad apples) just show your intent and let those ppl warm up and you will be accepted here by most all.


so far this by far has been one of my favorite forums due to the ppl here that are part of the thridgen group like tpivette, vader, ede, iroc22, inwo, ovrclock350, joccw.

or our outside members that are here or have been here like mustang5l5, nic, spoom, and quite a few others and hopefully one day even you.

or even our fallen members out there.


wade it out stu I'm sure you will like the place and just take your time. we have many members on this site that view many sections. you just kinda need to take your time when first comming in after that once ppl know you and accept you say what you want (within reason of course)



but hey guys I'm off to bed since I'm tired and depressed so yeah

 

rx7speed i just noticed that in your sig thats funny ...LMAO



Got Rotary?
I play with my wankel

 

Me liking the place obviously isn't the problem.

 

ppl are just slow to warm up to us import folk when we first get here
it is much better now though then it was a few years ago.

but I'm sure the same thing goes on with the import forums you visit being you get your domestic guys that come there and start crap with imports suck and blah blah blah... we get the same thing here with the import guys comming in saying how domestics suck and blah blah blah

 

No, not really. People try to troll, but we just mess with them because they are easy to spot, or it's just one of our own members trying to stir things up when it gets boring. Otherwise, the other sites I frequent have a lot more people who own domestics, than people who own imports are on this site.

The real issue is that I'm used to the kills section on Honda-tech.com. It's one big flame fest all the time. If you post a kill story, it better be a work of art or you get torn up about it. A good 70% of the kills regulars on H-T don't even own a Honda, and an easy 40% don't even own an import at all. Many of them never have. I just get into trouble when I assume everyone is like those guys. Oh well.

OH YEAH! I saw the guy I raced on the way to work today. He was going the other direction, but I got a better look at his car. It was white, with a white (I think unpainted) hood that is excatly like the one I posted a picture of. I think it had Z28 badges, but forgot to look. He has a red (possibly replacement) piece across the back end of his car, right below where the trunk would open. Lastly, I think he has a windshiled banner that says "Camaro," just in case someone wasn't sure. Sound familar to anyone? I'd really like to know what he has done to his car.

 

man u guys and ur little ricers cant hang with me and my v8 nothing beats a v8 bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha






j\k

i have no issue with any body really.i dont like imports but i do respect some of them. y cant we all get along?

 

its funny how so many import beat v8's got to vwsport and all you will find is 1.8t gti's with little more than a intake and exhaust beating SS's and crustangs. 1, 2 4 car lenghts
get real people the bay area is one of the import capitals of the world. You see races all the time and the only imports that can even handle a stock SS or crustang are highly modded ones.

 

actually not true...with very little modding some imports can hang with the mustangs and camaros...

 

Like $3,000 worth of a turbo kit that nearly tripples my horsepower at the wheels. And one more time, I'm a mile above sea level. Stock LS1s run mid 14's up here boys and girls.

 

you have no issues but you post a flame bait like that?????

 

maybe u didnt catch the j\k

 

_

 

5.0's and DSM's have a very extensive aftermarket and are very cheap and well thirdgens on the other hand are a differnt case. unless you get an engine swaped car or an l98 its get a 350 or suffer a money pit of a 305 that runs 14.7's all night long. My monte for example was cheap cuase its got a 74 nova motor and well isnt to insanely fast (13.67 @ 99mph N/A) its a cheap car (2500 bucks) and well its an ulgy mother****er but when i hit the juice it makes baby jesus cry and all for relataively cheap!
Car:2500
Parts to get it runnig great (Shifter, fluids,wires ect):500
Juice :150 bucks
built TH350 and 2800 stall :Free
Im jsut saying ive got a 12 second car for under 4k and i havent even started! But the problem is speed isnt everything i loved my third gen and now that its gone im feeling a void and once my brother turns 16 this cars being slod to him im on the hunt for another camaro! money isnt everything its the love of the car dont start this price war with domestic vs imprt lets just rember it can be a dog (16 seconds like my camaro) but as logn as you love it its considerd the best car in the world to you and that sir's is all that matters what YOU think about YOUR car

 

All I did was blow a ring. My motor still runs, just only on 3 cylinders. The problem is that my motor is completely stock, with almost 200,000 miles and running 15psi on somewhat half assed fuel management. It doesn't take a lot of money to go fast in a Honda (I could have gone almost as fast on a set-up that was maybe half as much if I wanted to, but I bought high quality, and mostly new parts) it just takes money to make it last after a certain point.

On another note, DSM's and 5.0's are about even when it comes to speed $ for $. You can get both of them into the 13's for less than $1,000, and with enough money (probably the same amount) they can both run 8's.

 

I'm not offended, not only is that true, but it's the exact reason why I don't own any of those cars.

 

u guys assume that chevy's and mustang(crustang) owners won't modify their cars, like i said import owners need a significant
power increase to handle a muscle car nad when we do the same or spend alittle less money its a mismatch again. and i'm sorry no 1.8gti with a intake and exhaust is going to beat a stock SS or GT