my buddy down the road just bought a red 2001 T/A. As far as I know, its stock, save maybe a catback, with a t-56 and the ws6 options.

My mods are in my sig.

i think it'd be a very good, close race. If i lose, I'd have to blame it on the lame 2.73's

what do you guys think?
Brandon

 

id say its a drivers race but your 2.73's deffinately hurting you LOL

Those TA's are quick as hell but your car sounds like it has close to the hp that the TA is making. Pretty close race it sounds like. LOL

 

He will win. His car is putting almost as much to the wheels as yours is at the crank. You should fare well however, but as the speed increases you will probably see tailights. Now if he can't drive, that is another story.

 

so how about the same race, but me w/ 3.42's or possibly 3.73's?

 

Better, but i think he will still best you. Do you have any track times?

 

How much gain in power do you expect to have just from a few breathing mods?

 

GM 330hp crate was not dynoed with RPM intake so you might gain some more power with that. I'd say your atleast close to 350hp so this race should be close as the LS1 has about 350fwhp. Your exhaust is real free flowing it looks like, so yeah, expect some power increases over 330 crate, unless it was dynoed with straight headers then, you will lose some hp.

 

There are a few members here in the 12's with that motor so don't count yourself out. If he just got the car he probably can't launch it which means he wont be anywhere near the potential of the car so I'm gonna say you win.

 

Since when did the LS1 have 350hp to the wheels?

 

it doesnt it has about 350 FWHP, flywheel hp or about that cuz practically same as vette motor which had 345ish.

 

It doesn't. M6 cars range from 300 to 320 at the wheels. On an engine dyno with no acessories LS1's will make 400hp.

 

I think the LS1 will own (especially after the launch). Given equal driving skill, it takes a lot to get an NA SBC 350 to take on an LS1.

 

ya seth ran a 12.93 @106ish w/ the 350HO but he had gears and a stall.

He just got the car so he can't drive, and i just got a new engine so I'm out too

...ehh seriously, i'd give him a small driving advantage though.

Seeing its my DD, I spent too much money to break it right away!

haha,
Brandon

 

gonna be close

 

i think the LS1 will win, remember the Ls1 is unbeatable

 

Should be close ive driven an LS1 those things are nasty. lose those gears and i think youll take him but not by a whole lot

 

So let me get this straight. I can buy a stock 1985 Camaro with a 350 in it. Add an intake manifold, some headers, larger exhaust, and an open element filter and run with an LS1? If that's the case, I'll start looking for one.

 

Stu is a GM performance 350 HO motor. Aftermarket motor swap.. Rated at 330hp. with better intake, it may be 350hp+

LS1 is 350 hp but rated at 320hp.

A 350hp car will run with a 350hp car. its same power. Now gearing and wieght takes over to determine the winner. thirdgen is lighter so it will be close. Just your gears and LACK of converter will cause you to lose.

I dont see why its hard to understand this.

 

So it's not just a regular Chevy 350? It's some rare high output motor?

Would those mods make much of a noticable difference on say a 90 IROC Z?

 

The heads and cam are also better on a performance crate motor. With a stealth ram I should be able to run with LS1's or even a little better. But with this guy's engine I'd say the LS1 will take the win.

 

Its a crate motor that you buy from parts dealers. Many are made and its a cheap performance motor. Great deal for budget performance seekers. Not rare at all LOL

The HO 350 crate rated at 330 has better vortec heads which flow better than the L98 heads on the 350's in the Irocz/GTA/formula birds and the vettes. Also the 330 HO is carb motor, not fuel injection. That RPM intake he has got will out flow most fuel injection setups so it will make more power

It is an aftermarket motor, that you buy and then put into your car LOL. No car came stock with high performance motor like that. All camaro L98's are virtually the same except for different cam in the 91-92's and speed density as opposed to mass air flow. Same goes with the corvettes.

 

so whats the weight difference between us?

2, 3 hundred pounds?

EDIT: to add on, IIRC doesn't adding/shaving 100 pounds equal +/- 1/10th in the 1/4th?

 

I just blew my motor like 10 minutes ago, maybe I'll sell my turbo stuff for an LT1 that's in crappy shape.

 

 

my 84 Camaro with a 350 carbed weighs in at almost 3500 on the dot with me in it depending on how much gas is in the car. Ive done no weight reduction and as far as i know neither have the previous owners. I way about 160 btw

I think LS1s weigh about 3500 or so without a driver (could be wrong) a driver so figure your gonna be at least 150 LBs lighter

Yea as a general rule 100 lbs will add or subtract about a one tenth from your 1/4

 

the WS6 was rated out of the factory at i think 325HP. So are you saying that that is at the wheels? IF so is the LT1 the same? I have a buddy with an LT1 T/A M6, i drove it several times and that thing has soo much power its rediculous.

 

As said before it is a crate motor. It is still a plain old chevy 350 though. It is just outfitted with go fast goodies. Plus, it is brand new and is fairly cheap so most 305 guys upgrade to this motor. Guys who already have a 350 (L98 guys) don't need this motor. A simple heads and cam swap will have them right on par.

 

Stu , sorry to hear the blown motor! Time for a thirdgen now? LOL

 

LS1 >> LT1

 

When i said WS6 i meant LS1, Sorry, i didnt clarify

 

GM rates everything at the crank with accesories and all. They under-rate the cars for various reasons.

Insurance
Can't have the same ratings with the corvette

M6 LT1 cars should put down 260 at the wheels
M6 LS1 cars should put down 300

 

i dont know about those stats. 300hp at wheels is about the freak ls1's i have seen. Most are mid 280's or low 290's at wheels. Assuming 15% loss, 300 at wheels is 352 on motor, its close, but sure the stock air intake is holding it back to 290 at wheels. Thats why lids are great hp makers on those cars!!

LT1 vettes were 300hp so Fbodys are 275. 285 for the SS

again, 260 at wheels is around 305 on motor, so its close as well to the vette, but vette got better breathing so rating for fbody motors is little lower. Fbodys are more like 250 at wheels. Even tho same engine.

 

The LS1 is way underrated. I have seen MANY engine dynoes of them putting out almost 400 hp with just a set of headers and intake.

 

thats just there awesome potential! Just full catback and a CAI lid and your running high 12's consistently with a decent driver!

 

Long tube adds 26 at the wheels as well. A full bolt on LS1 should put down 350 to the wheels. Pretty scary if you ask me.

 

My car put down 307rwhp with only a cutout when it was new and I don't consider it a freak.

 

Exactly


By the way I think the LS1 will win unless the driver loses it himself.

Although it should be close.

 

I guess that's all that matters, some good ol' fashioned clean racing between friends.

That's what they're for right?

thanks for your comments,
Brandon

 

You do need to pitch those 2.73's though

Those are gonna hurt your chances imho.

Good Luck!!!

 

that's next on my list, besides stopping for gas after school

 

Stu, you should definitely get an LT1 motor and i'm sorry to hear that your b18a blew. What happened anyway? Too much boost or fried piston rings? Good luck either way getting a new motor.

As for the LS1 vs. GMHO 350, its a drivers race now. A nice stall and steeper gears should give you the win.
~Matt

 

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the cam aint bad, 212/222, but for that RPM intake, i think it should have alittle more duration and little more lift. around a hot cam type would be nice with around 500" of lift to match the flow potential of the vortec heads. The LS1 cam is nothing special either, low 200's duration. A 220/220 cam in an LS1 is perfect and makes HUGE power increases.

I think that the power is capable to take an LS1 but if the driver can drive real good, then the HO350 has its work cut out for it. LS1's are better running motors and have great power band, but that 350HO makes 380lb feet torque so it has some grunt, more than LS1 so if you can harness that on launch, combined with lighter wieght of thirdgen, it will be a good race.

 

I am with you on this one. Remember the LS1's torque numbers are also underrated and they make about 380 to 400 lb ft at the crank.

Dono 00TA put 307 at the wheels with an A4 car. An M6 car with a cut-out would have put about 10 more down.

 

wow the Ls1 is really underated.... They put down 340lb tq in a f body

 

Some people are underestimating the 350HO in my opinion. CarCraft tested a nearly identical setup to the one we're dicussing, the 330hp HO "Deluxe" version with a RPM intake added, a 750 holley, and longtube headers and made around 370 hp unless I'm mistaken (looked it up, 370hp, 408 ft-lbs. It had made 348hp with just the headers BTW). That's well tuned and such though, so leave some room for some lost HP in the real world but the 350 HO definitely has a shot in this case. I think the gearing may be the downfall though, the M6 LS1 will have 3.42s... Do you have decently wide tires and a limited slip diff? If not you'll get your *** reamed trying to launch a 2.73 peg leg on crappy stock wheels/tires...

I don't have a much bigger cam than the HO in my Vortec headed motor (I have the XE262, 218/224 @.050) and I've taken out a couple LS1s, so... Course I do have 3.42s...

 

It's because he said the phrase "LS1." When you say that, don't you know magic happens and invincibility appears?

 

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that's the current downfall of my car...

 

Well, when you gonna race?