I had my first race it was against my friends turbo supra I won 3/4 races. It started on my way to my girl friends house me and him were hanging out 15 mins before and he said he was gonna follow me down there, i didn't really care I know my car needs work so I assumed he would beat me but I would never live it down if I ran from him. when the highway became 2 lanes. We started 2 times from a 60mph roll and I raped him both times....then we went from a stop and even thought he started before me I still got him off the line. It seemed everytime he shifted I gained a little on him. Next we went from an 75-80mph roll and he got me I went to about 100mph and couldn't catch him, so I let off...don't need anymore tickets.

1. I'm all stock even to my intake...In fact need a new filter, exhaust, tires and struts

2. He has an in take brand new clutch, intake, head gaskets, valve job, water pump, thermostate, dual electric fans..but he has bad tires

 

So you are both stock it sounds like. It also sounds like he has a lemon of sorts if he's had to replace that stuff. Not saying that's why you won though. By the way, he only has one head gasket.

 

i dont know man, TPI's suck from a roll, especially at 60+mph. He should be running high 13's and your a low mid 14's so i think he should have ran you. LOL Anyway, good job tho on the kill if thats how it went down. LOL

 

was hes car one of the older single turbo supras .because that would make perfect sense that a gta woop it .the old single turbos in 89-92 where low 15sec cars.


good kill

ps.all of the models (turbo models) where 13 sec cars

 

oh, 1981z thats a great point. Everyone thinks of a supra as the twin turbo 93-97's and are really fast. Even i assumed it was that model. If it was older model, the GTA would beat them up, but from a roll it wouldnt be as big of a whooping. They might be able to run a L98 from higher roll speed.

 

good kill

 

Yeah, if it was an older model, the head gasket makes sense since their head gaskets were crappy.

 

good kill

 

Yep I almost bought a turbo Supra MKIII with a blown head gasket. The previous owner had already replaced it as well.

 

Did it look like this?
This is a screen shot from the new Grand Turismo 4 game by the way. I'm looking for a third gen for you guys.
[imghttp://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/screen0/561066_20040924_screen322.jpg[/img]

 

Stupid no editing.

 

its an mk3 single turbo supra...7mgte, where as the mk4 supras are 2jzgte...
stu yeah its that body and its even the same color oh yeah the supras are over rated and exaggerated they aren't low 13 sec cars they run stock high 13s like all the rest of the 300hp, twin turbo v6 high end imports...i.e the 300zxtt, stealthTT, 3kgt TT, and so on...

oh yeah I have leaky injectors...

I'm gonna buy a delete pulley and install my underdrive pullies and race him again and see how things go!

 

You can't really say that a Supra is over rated because of the way that the motor is so over engineered. How many other cars do you know of that can make 800 whp without making a single internal modification?

As for stock though, you are right (I think) they are just as fast as their peers in their class.

 

saw one on Ebay with an L98 in it lol, nice sports car.
Bet they're a bit heavy tho ..

 

they are boats

 

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I've never heard of Supras getting crank walk. But I do that the 98 Mitsubishi's aren't as likely to get crankwalk. It's the 94-97

 

there is a few guys around here with supra cars. one has a old school one like that. did alot of modifications and decided he needed to race me well he still has a lot of catching up to do

 

What kind of modidfications did he do? It sounds like you guys are hanging with tools.

 

well, I don't hang with him or is group (they are tools). I can't remeber if he got a differant turbo or if it was the stock turbo w/ the increased boost and I know he said he had it tuned. better intercooler he had the eng sent out to have it all redone (better pistions?)(sorry I don't know the specifics but I really didn't care since he was so cocky at the time) I of course said nothing kept quiet and tore his ***

his buddie with the newer"dyno proven 500 hp" supra is just as stupid (but has the money) for what ever reason his car is slow too. every one says it's because he can't drive which is very possiable when daddy sends your car too a speed shop to get everything done start to finish and you still get beat.

 

could have sworn I have heard of a few of the MKIV supras even getting near the mid to low 13 range stock

but don't hold me to that for 100% fact

and I know ppl are going to jump all over me saying no no no they can't be


but then again by the same boat does that mean a ls1 can't run a high 12 stock
or a ls6 can't run a high 11 stock?

 

rx7speed-the all aluminum ls1 make considerable more torque and has posi with differant gears...the supra makes less torque has turbo lag and is a top end touring car....thats like comparing a fd series rx7 and a 440 road runner... oh yeah the ls1 has better gas milage and makes more hp and torque...think about it an supra weighs about 3500+lbs makes 320hp/290ishtq and has lag...

stu-oh....but I can... I wasn't talking about just the engine(2jz or 1jz...cause in that case an outdated turbo buick can make the same power cheaper and still run quicker times....but I was talking more about what time the car is capable of running...imports in general don't do as well in the 1/4 mile they are set-up for handling and top end and econemy.... the gearing is differant...i will say they are overated because they offer no more performance gains than any of the other import boats ie the 300zxTT or a 300gtvr4 and in fact the 300gtvr4 is quicker...yet the supra still cost a considerable amount more. Nice car but media has inflated the car beyond reason.

 

Don't make the mistake of generalizing all imports like that. A Supra is obviously not an economy car. My car is an economy car the final gear ratio is 4.10 from the factory.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Calico
[B]rx7speed-the all aluminum ls1 make considerable more torque and has posi with differant gears...the supra makes less torque has turbo lag and is a top end touring car....thats like comparing a fd series rx7 and a 440 road runner... oh yeah the ls1 has better gas milage and makes more hp and torque...think about it an supra weighs about 3500+lbs makes 320hp/290ishtq and has lag...

with japan I don't trust any of the numbers they put out
could have sworn I heard of a car that only had 276hp
weighed about 3500lbs but yet STILL managed to get low 13's


also if I remember right the supra should have lsd also
turbo lag on a stock car isn't that big of an issue being most of them should be able to spool fairly quick at least stock
looking at a dyno graph I have seen it looks like the supra stock is able to put out damn near straight line of torque from 2700 up to at least 5500rpms and at 6500rpms it still looks like it dropped maybe 10lbs/ft
doesn't sound too laggy

but regardless peak torque/hp isn't the end all

but I still can swear I have seen somewhere mid 13's at least maybe low 13's

still not going to say I KNOW that they run that
but can swear I have seen it
need to look around

 

There isn't turbo lag in a drag race.

 

well I'm sure there is a little depending on the turbo sizing

but then again the lag you are going to get is in first gear and only for part of it which in a way might even be helpfull being you are not giving full power right upon launch causing traction issues.

but I have seen a few cars that where stick even sitting there at idle creating about 4-5 pounds of boost just reving up and down already keeping the turbo partly spooled that way when the launch does come they already have some a little less lag to go.

 

yeah but from what I'm seeing the ls1 makes more power and is a tad lighter..it doesn't come stock with lsd and is ungoddly heavy for a 6 cylinder cars...they also rate the 3rd gens as 16sec cars...that doesn't mean they are right, now does it? the supra doesn't make enuff power(300hp) to push the 3500lb boat to a stock 13. maybe a 13.8 but a low 13...cmon...in that case the 300gtvr4 should be a high 12 sec cars?!

 

both the supra and VR4 are heavy cars

 

isnt the VR4 awd?? and if modded (and lightend) can be monsters

 

Kind of. It takes like 500 horsepower at the wheels to even get a VR-4 into the 12's. Well, maybe a little less at sea level, but it's still a rediculous amount compared to other cars.

 

yeah but what I'm saying is that the stealth/300gtvr4 is quicker stock in the 1/4 mile than the supra...so if the suprais a 13 second car then the 3si should run a 12...which it doesn't! Guys the supra is fast but I'm saying its reputation is composed of alot of hype and burger joint parking lot myth. Because pual walker drove a supra people think its the holy grail...be all end all of the import car and I know its not. thats all

 

just like I think the 300z can be a mid 13 second car in the right hands

though the rx7.... low 14's more often then not. maybe if you are lucky might put out a high high 13

 

Well if you priced out supras lately, you would see that they are ridiculously expensive still. Even MORE so after the movie fast and the furious. its the truth, they have exploded in popularity and price.

They are the holy grail of imports cuz they are the fastest imports around. All the top import draggers use supra motors in the RWD cars that run 7's or better. Just a fact of life i guess, but the supra has a hell of a rep and is a mean car.

 

I don't think its any better than any other import... skyline ect! people put supra engines in lesser cars just like ther do the skyline engines. The main reason is because of the huge aftermarket the tunabilty and the uniqueness...Iv'e driven more turbo supras than I can list they are all fast but nothing like lets say a vette of similiar year...or hell even a lesser year.

hmm its sounds like I hate supras...which I don't I just think they are inflated...I beat many a supra with my 300zx and even more with my grand nat...and I don't see whatmakes the owners of these cars think that they are untouchable?

 

I think that what you say is true, of stock Supras. I don't think a stock Supra is anything special. They get their reputation from what people have done to them.

No, not all pro drag racers use Supra motors. In fact, if they are a pro drag racer, chances are they are using the same motor as that of the car they are driving. Have any of you seen the new Honda commercial where they show a pit full of r icey looking show cars, then they show the drag Honda running a 6 second pass? All the cars like that use the same motor as the manufacturer. They might use an NSX motor or something, but it's still Honda.

 

Oh yeah, I forgot. It's kind of funny how the Skyline has turned into a r ices wet dream (I still think that they are very cool cars) but there is really nothing special about them. In Japan they can be had for very reasonable prices. And just like the Supra, VR-4, and 300ZX, they are no more of a super car than a Camaro or Mustang is.

 

It annoyed me when some one assumed that a modded supra with the same power and a big wing can beat my grand nat...gggggrrrr

 

What i meant was alot of the toyota racers use camry bodies and tundra trucks but with the supra motor.

And still, its usually the supras in the finals with supra engines winning. LOL

 

their nice but my favorites list looks like this...
1.fd series rx7(93-95)
2.300zxTT
3.sc300/soarer
4.300gtvr4
5.supra

 

1997 TwinTurbo Supra was 3515 lbs and 13.6 sec @ 106 mph according to http://www.fast-autos.net/toyota/97toyotasupra.html

The same site also claims that the 1999 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4
was 3737 lbs and 13.9 sec @ 102 mph.

 

yeah, they also got the 87 L98 Iroc z running 15.2 at 91 mph
89 corvette running 14.8
and the 98 SS camaro weighin in at 3360 running quarter at 13.9 at 106.
the L98 times are ridiculous and about 3/4 second off of realistic times

I dont trust that site for stats cuz 13.9 at 106 for an SS means bad driver and makes the car look bad. Other stats are close some are way off. I dont think it weighs anywhere near 3360 either.

 

thing with those listings though

with a ****ty driver yeah you can make a car run slower then it's potential.


though a car can only go so fast so even if you have the best driver in the world that doesn't mean he is going to push the car faster then what it is capable of doing only getting it closer to it's limits

like *** himself prolly wouldn't be able to get a ls1 to run a low 12 stock

but I'm sure he could pull a high 12 just like a few other drivers

 

thing with those listings though

with a ****ty driver yeah you can make a car run slower then it's potential.


though a car can only go so fast so even if you have the best driver in the world that doesn't mean he is going to push the car faster then what it is capable of doing only getting it closer to it's limits

like *** himself prolly wouldn't be able to get a ls1 to run a low 12 stock

but I'm sure he could pull a high 12 just like a few other drivers

so if that site was claiming a 13.6 out of a supra it's not like they are pushing the car faster then what it is capable of doing.
now I can't verify if it is correct but it does seem to fit with what I have seen. though have also heard low 13's. don't know how much I buy that one but?

 

the supra is a 3500+lb car with a mere 320 fwhp it ain't runnin a low 13...they have cars with less weight, better gearing and more power that don't run a 13 flat...I think its beacaue of HYPE..the only eairly to mid 90's import v6TT that is doin a low 13 is the stealth/3000gtvr4 and thats because of the awd...so lemme ask you this what times do you think a non-turbo 98 supra would run?

 

Can you please inform yourself before you continue to reply in this thread? Seriously, you're making my head hurt.

NO Supra, EVER, was or is front wheel drive. I don't know if the Supra is faster than the 3000GT VR-4 stock, but it's not slower. Second, a Supra isn't a V6. Last, any non-turbo Supra OR 3000GT is just a worthless pig as far as straight line acceleration goes.

 

non turbo I think I have seen the times around a mid to low 15 range at BEST maybe a high 14

the stealth while having awd also has a lot more loss due to the awd drive configuration, and still weight quite a bit more then the supra does

also the 300zx I have heard was able to lay down a mid 13 second timeslip with a good driver.... well a very good driver. that isn't some hyped up car from f&tf either

 

Oh yeah, the non-VR4 (or turbo Stealth) isn't AWD, it's only FWD.

 

at one point wasnt' the celica and supra basicly the same car?

it seems during the 70's and early 80's they looked the same and both even where RWD

I miss my old RWD 78 celica too bad celica had to go fwd


btw does anyone know what the early celica's weighed?

 

No, I'm pretty sure that they were never the same car, but I do know the resemblence that you are talking about.

 

Little bit of history for y'all. ..
Not sure the start date, but through 1985 the Celica came in a sub-model called the Supra which became it's own line in 1986.
So they were indeed the same car called a Celica-Supra.
They were 2.8 liters and just under 3,000 lbs.

Just purchased an '89 single turbo Supra for a daily driver last month.
I think they are pretty impressive for 80's technology minus the head gaskets.