chevy eater his car gives off the apearance of being faster than yours or at least more money in the body, what is your 1/4 times

 

Take it to the track. That is what we encourage every racer to do. You will learn your car the best that way in a safe environment that promotes healthy speed. Don't bother messing with the stock cats until you replace the whole exhaust.

 

i was saying see if i can find some type of road course or just break into pocono raceway.

 

Maybe if you read what I said, this wouldn't be a big misunderstanding. You mention timeslips, fine. I have timeslips from several years ago where I ran 14.56@94.4. In addition, my 92 Z28 has run 14.1@96.57. Both of these are on street tires. The TA was in storage for 4 years while I was in Hawaii and I did a complete tune-up on it to include cap, rotor, plugs, wires, flush, etc. The road I use to test it out once I got it back 'in shape' has two marks that I put down 1/4 mile apart by my odometer. Now before you go questioning it's validity, I have checked it against mile markers for over 200 miles and had less than 8 tenths of a mile difference. The grade of the road is actually slightly uphill. This is where I broke 100+mph. Since then I drove it from the midwest to Maryland and it acts a bit sluggish now. My best here is a 14.87@91.48. This is what I meant when I said around 15 sec. The TA is a manual and I don't have a line lock, so it's difficult to heat up the tires. If I launch too hard, I spin through 60' and have a 2.6+ and end up in the 15.3's. If I launch a bit easier, the engine bogs a bit, but runs sub 15.

Now, perofrmance data. here's what I have found:

1984 Ford Mustang SVO 7.9 15.8
1985 Ford Mustang GT 7.2 15.9
1987 Ford Mustang GT 6.7 15.3
1988 Ford Mustang GT 6.4 15.0
1990 Ford Mustang LX 5.0 6.4 14.9
1991 Ford Mustang GT 7.3 15.6
1992 Ford Mustang LX 5.0 6.2 14.8
1993 Ford Mustang Cobra 5.9 14.5
1994 Ford Mustang Cobra 6.9 15.3
1994 Ford Mustang GT 6.7 15.1

this is based on stock numbers in magazines from the years these cars came out. As you can see, my Z would blow them all away and my TA can take most of them. I have done nothing to my TA, though the motor was taken apart and the block polished at 108,000 miles. It was put back together with no performance parts. The Z has a 148,000 miles on it and all I have done to it is to installl a hypertech chip. The TA has a 5.0 HO and the Z has a 350 TPI. The TA I mentioned is a manual and the Z is automatic. Since you have modded your mustang, I'll assume you weren't thinking 'stock' like I was. My TA can outrun a most stock mustangs up till about the 93-96 era, while my Z can hold it's own on some newer models. I take pride in the fact that my car doesn't need a lot of modifications to run fairly fast.

 

dont go by magazine numbers. some mags have L98's running low 15's!!! thats a full second off in some cases. the mustang is a capable performer. they do run in the 14's. the 302 5.0 5 speed had about the same hp as the G92 TPI 305 cars. not quite as much torque tho but they are almost as light as the vette which hit high 13's in alot of cases. a good running 5.0 stang runs on par with the L98 with the L98's torque and slight hp advantage giving it a few tenths. so dont expect a real high 14 to bet alot of stangs. it will be close for alittle while but they should outrun you.

 

Ok now were gonna look at magazines, give me a break...

Here are a few cars I know of. My dads 91 LX, mid 14s bone stock, untouched, 100% original. Friends 88LX, untouched minus an off road H-pipe, 13.9, another friends 1990 LX, untouched, with 3.08s, ran low 14s. could list a few others, and call them and get the exact numbers, but I would assume most would trust me.

You want to magazine race, thats fine, I go to the track and race with Mustangs everytime. I know what they can and do run!

Im sorry but you would "blow away" a magazine time, not what real cars run! And yes Im talking stock, down to the paper filter and original wires. You might give a bone stocker a good run, but any decently driven one would walk you. And as far as modding and staying with them goes, lol. 12s are an exhaust, gears and traction away, and mid 12s arent much more in the way of mods!

Take pride in it running fast without a lot of mods, I do the same, and it feels good to have a car that gets stock gas mileage, idles stock, starts and runs like a stocker, yet runs high 12s to low 13s on street radials and mid 12s all day long when I bolt on a set of slicks!

 

Here are some mag times for your some T/A's

1983 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 9.2 17.0

1984 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am HO 7.9 16.1

1987 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am GTA (auto) 7.1 15.5

1988 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am GTA 7.4 15.9

So 15.5-17.0 , guess they are way slower than a 5.0 then...

The last 2 are L98 also BTW...

 

Nice Car! :rockon:

 

Well i currently own one of both and i havent ever raced them against each other since the GT needs a clutch,but by the seat of the pants the 5.0 feels faster than my L98 gta.I like the GTAs looks alot more and it handles better IMHO.

 

LOL, I understand that the magazines aren't necessarily correct, after all, it lists the 84 HO as running a 16.1 which is way off my best of 14.56. But I have raced a lot of mustangs, both with my TA and my Z, and on most cars over 10 years old, my TA has won. I'm sure a lot of it has to do with the fact that it's got a 3.73 rear end gear in it and is a manual. After all, when I raced the newer GT, I launched and pulled away from him, but he had the horsepower to overtake me. The Cobra left me in the dust though, we were side by side at 65mph and I hit it, then I heard him hit it and pull away like I hadn't even touched the gas.

 

just want to post 2 rules for racing i live by.

1) If I don't know I can win, I'll probably lose. (but it's still fun to find out anyway)
2) If someone asks me to race, they'll probably whoop my ***. (nobody looks to race something they think they'll lose to)

these should guide you well.

 

That's why people run sleepers

 

sleepers are for:

a, to impress/surprise people for pure personal enjoyment and get respect from the streets LOL

b, to make some kind of profit off of the race LOL

other than that, if you dont care what people think, nor do you race often for cash value or whatever, then there is no point in making a car a sleeper. LOL

 

when my car had the 305 in it i ran away from 99% of the mustangs i raced aswell as L98 cars....i had a flowmaster muffler, K&N filter the EGR walls ground down and that was it...it ran 14.12@96...granted not the MPH of the "quicker" LX's but id pull them out of the hole and powershift the hell out of it and stay ahead....25th said they can run 13.80's stock so the LX weighs what 300 pounds less then a GTA well theres 3 tenths...13.80 to a 14.1 is 3 tenths....only the G92 L98's or superbly drivin LX 5 speeds would give me trouble...GT's or 2.73 L98's were cake

now i got another 200 horespower

 

Well now your comparing stock to modded. Similar mods on a 5.0 and Im confident most if not all (5-speeds that is) could see a high 13!

 

My cousins 89 GT. Pulleys, K&N and a catback still with the stock 2.73 and the stock clutch at 125,000 miles. 14.3@99 with a 2.31 60ft time.

With 3.27's and h-pipe, 13.98@100.

 

i remember YOU saying not to long ago that an LX 5 speed can run 14 flat stock if driven like its stolen...and how many mustangs you know about that are FACTORY...everyone and there brothers cousins on there grandpas side that owns a stang have atleast flowmaster on them..how many 305 GTA;s you know of that ran a 14.12 with just a muffler and an air filter?....now take away the 300+ pounds of extra weight that the GTA has over the LX and well there right on par with each other...

maybe its becasue people who have seen/drive 5 speed f-bodies cant drive..cuz all i hear is "stock LX';s can run 14 flats " and all this crap...well guess what, put someone who has the same skill in an fbody and they still get no respect or get BS called on them...like i said a GTA weighs 300 pounds more then an LX so if a LX runs a 13.8 and a GTA runs a 14.1 well guess what take that 300 pound difference away and theyll both run the same time...ive raced more L98 cars then i can remember and lost to 1 just 1..and it was a 92 G92 car and the only reason i lost was becasue i spun a little to much on launch...ive raced many mustangs and only lost a couple becasue they could drive aswell as i could, therefore there weight advantage came into effect....
hell drove my buddies FACTORY 6 speed LT1 z to a 13.59@101
i ran a 12.88@108 in my dads FACTORY 2001 M6 stripper Z (it weighs 3110 pounds...when i ran that time in my dads Z people noticed that and asked me about the car what was done to it becasue it was so quiet...wheni told them it was factory they didnt believe me untill i opend the hood (and air box)..i even used someones jack to lift up the read end to show the rear end cover still had to sealent on it to prove it didnt have gears....because of that people were asking me to drive there cars...
id love to drive a stock LX to see what i could do with it...

that was long winded and i dont appoligize for it....point is, yea the LX's are faster, not becasue of there motor (were talking minimal mods here) but becasue of there lighter weight...shave 300-350 pounds off a thirdgen and it will be the cars running 14 flats with someone who can drive

 

So you are saying that a 305 is equal in performance to a 302?

 

He is, and he is also claiming to have run one of the fastest times ever recorded for a stock LS1, all BS if you ask me...

If you ran a 12.8 in a bone stock LS1 you would have your name out there! Evan Smith did it as well as GMHTP... I really dont believe you did at all...

Also Id like some proof your car had just a muffler and a filter to run 14.1, why because noone else seems to have done this. You want to claim running some of the fastest times cars are capable of, prove it...

And a 305 is NOT on par with a 5.0 and its not because it is a Chevy, it is the DESIGN of the motor, believe it or not, it was designed to not perform as well, but Im sure you knew that! Again claim all you want, prove it to me, then prove it can run low 13s to high 12s with bolt ons, and then Ill believe they are on par with the 302, until then, not a chance!

 

Well, then its obvious he is full of

 

I wish I had the experience 15 years ago of buying a brand new '89 formula 350 or gta so I could go huntin for 5.0s. Let me say this: I'm not calling anyone a liar here. But, I used to hang out with some 5.0 guys and the fastest guy outta all of them ran a 13.8 n/a. He had just about every bolt on you could think of and a 3550 (with which he shifted so hard he actually broke his dash so it would fall outta place when he shifted). The rest ran mostly high 14s / low 15s. Now I haven't hung out with many 3rd gen f-bodies, but those are usually high 14s / low 15s as well. All of the above probably needed a good tune-up. Or maybe I'm just hangin with the wrong crowd

 

i say it this way,so you like a ford.im sorry.302 vs 305?302 wins,302 vs 350 ,350 all the way.ive raced so many of these 302 mustangs,and heard ,its a 302!!!!!! so ,dont mean crap to me.
you guys know all about a certian 6 cylinder,that can smoke the crap out of a mustang ,dont ya?was a 89 tta trans am,now lets see ford beat that.in the past ,YES FORDS 302 mustang was very quick,when you compared it to a 305 irock,but the reason GM put the 350 in the irock ,was so it could out run the 302 mustang,and it did.the irock would out corner,out brake ,out run the mustang in stock trim.and the rok was an auto.how many auto mustangs,stock can you say can do that.i bet it wont be many.sure FORD HAD to make it 5 speed,and ive seen bone stock ,irocks with just a 5 speed conversion ,walk all over a mustang,now i mean the 350 cars,but the FORD guys say,well the irock is a 350 vs a 302,yes thats true.now this will **** a few off,351 cars are a little harder,but this is true,so dont start pissing your pants when i say this ,the reason the 302 runs so good is this ,the stroke on a 302 is the same stroke as a 396 chevy big block,ford will rev very fast,but on a long run to 130 the i rock will pull past 130 mph.

now go ahead and post the bull crap flag ,i know you want to.

 

You really dont have any idea what the hell you are talking about, do you? Why dont you go argue about CFM in the engine swap board with me some more, you can look a little dumber.

 

.......I cant believe you would even have the nuts to post something like that ...LOL

And i want to see this mystery gta 305 that will outrun everyone....LOL

 

Maybe, I hold records in the cars I have raced (yes first time in the drivers seat and set new bests) but people arent begging me to race their cars...

As far as what sanders said, yes the TTA is a damn good motor, noones saying it isnt. I am also not saying a 350 isnt a good motor, Im saying a 305 cannot compare with a 302. Of course a 350 can it was designed to be a performance motor, the 305 was NOT!

Also its IroC not K, moron!

 

I agree alot of people can get in a car and race better than people that have been doing it for some time but i seriously doubt he has people begging him to race thier cars....LOL

Yes the 305 is a decent engine but I myself prefer a 350 along with tons of others .....

 

OMMFG, BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!

You have NO CLUE!
The 302 ford had a 3" stroke.
The 396 chevy had a 3.76" stroke.

WTF does a 302 ford have to do with a 396 chevy?
Next time THINK before you speak or just STFU!

 

It also is not all weight or else my car would never have ran that fast. Mine was 3500 exaclty when it was auto and after the T-5 swap I'm sure I lost 40lbs. I was running 13.80@100 with traps from 100 to as high as 103.1 with a dead stock motor from TB to oil pan. All I had was exhaust, pulleys, and cold air. I'm sure if I had a lighter car it would have been alot fast..and if I had gears..sicne it STILL has the origianl gears to this day. I'd guess it weighs 3500 at least after the SC since that really added some weight.

 

there ya go ,thumbs up to you,see ya own a rok,very cool cars,so i say rok on bro!!!!!!

 

you couldnt beat me in any thing ,you are a jerk,i see you sit at a desk all day,dont want to get your fingers dirty do ya ?

 

hey you know ,its all you bro!!!!!! you cant **** me off,i know ford is crap ,you dont!!!!!STFU,you kiss your mom with that mouth?

 

Can't believe someone would post over and over "irock" and "the rok"
Go home and read an import tuner ( no offense stu)

 

ok ,let me say this IROCK,THE IROCK,IS THAT BETTER ,MR?

 

AND I THOUGHT THIS WAS A FBODY SITE ,DAM WAS I WRONG

 

Hahaha... you should be banned for this alone, there is NO K at the end!!!

NO K

NO K

How many times does the MUSTANG owner have to tell you???

And we dont need you pissed off, just proven wring, which has already happened. And Ford is crap, wanna race???

 

not even cause I want to or don't believe what you said... cause you said I could =)



that felt good haha

 

guys lets stop fighting... I mean i realized it soo pointless to fight on here... And dont say FORD is crap... Ford and Chevy are both hav there advantages and disadvantages, like i love how ford setted up a H PIPE and factory headers on the 302 and came with a 5 speed to, i would take a nice lookin FOX body.

 

lol no k mr. knowitall, please refrain from ever trying to post anything intelligent again.

 

JESUS! It's I-ROC. I-R-O-C not I-ROCK, einstein.

 

:hail:

 

no i said stock for stock there close to each other...a stock G92 LB9 CAN run low 14's..but only with a excellent launch and driving the hell out of it...in which case is apparent that none of you have seen...and i personnally dont give two flying monkey F%^ks about


I did this one time..no media coverage no newspaper no rags there...and just for the record he did it in a 2002 35th annaversary convertable..which im sure YOU KNOW weighs over 3,500 pounds..my dads Z28 is a no option stripper..the only thing it has is teh hurst shifter...it weighs 3,110 pounds with less then a half tank..so obviously Evan smith is quite a bit better then me
the 305 has been out of my car for some time now..still got the filter and muffler for ya though ...i copuld have my friend post on here to "prove" to you that i did but what good would that do?..maybe ill buy a brand new crate 305 install all the TPI harness and do it just to prove something?..better yet find me a G92 LB9 and ill do it in that car :rollseyes:
i never said the 305 was anywere near par with the 302..i said STOCK FOR STOCK or lightly modded there close to each other...you said that an LX can run a 14 flat stock..well mine ran a 14.4 stock....take away that 300-350 pound difference adn there both capable of 14 flats...once modding starts well YOU KNOW the 302 will walk away...

i never said people were begging me to drive there cars I said people asked as in 2 people...this was one trip and a one time thing...goddamn WTF is wrong with you people...you act like this is never heard of..

 

It is unheard of, the claims you make are the best any of those cars have run. And Evan did not do it in a vert he did it in a Z28 coupe but it was on a hot summer day!

Again you dont have to prove it, but then I wont believe it, you want to make claims of having one of the fastest cars of its kind, you better expect to have to back it up, other than just telling us you did it!

Also 300-350 lbs, unless your cars weigh 3600+ I dont see that being the case. My car was 3200 without me in it, when t was stock... I find it hard to believe a 305 is a 3550 lb car with NO driver ! I now weigh 3150 with me, with a bunch of weight taken out, so they arent as light as most think they are! They just make good power!

For the last time you claim to have gone low 14s in a stock 305, 13.5 in a stock LT1 and 12.8 in a stock LT1, show some proof...

 

I raced a 88-89 305 TPI auto with my car back when it was na still on the street. The 1st thing the guy said was "Well..you car is like 500 lbs lighter than mine!" I was like" Well..unless your car weighs more than a Caprice..thats not likely!".

 

Thanks I just saw you had posted that. The car is for sale if you know anyone looking for one.

 

Agreed. Untill you show some proof of your outlandish claims I call .

 

You know, it takes more than one person to carry on an argument or 'flame war.' I'm going to take care of some problems around here soon.

 

If I see anymore IBTL I will delete your post rendering your efforts useless. Who cares about post counts. All it does is set you up for dissaster when someone takes your word based on the number of posts you have.

Inwo beat me to it.