A buddy of mine wants me to race late 80's early nineties stang,
stang is a 5.0, been told its modded, i dont know to what extent. Sounds cool, beautiful car, lopey cam any chance i can take him i haven't seen under the hood. Have a 89' 305 G92, 36,000 miles, im changing over to AS&M runners and porting the intake system,(plenum, baseplate)..... possibly headers by the end of winter. When i get the money im going to send the heads to machinist to have them ported. Any chance. The car looks and sounds sick. I was told lose no matter what. He has no nitrous and no blower as far as i know.

 

Is the stang a 5-speed or an auto?

 

manual vs. manual, i know it will be a race but how hard, i take a lot of **** for the 305

 

ford 5.0's will run you hard. slightest mods will cause them to run quick. if he got a cam, then look out. even if its and auto, as long as some decent 3.xx's gears he should run you.

your intake system wont help much. you are decently fast for 305 but you should lose.

i am sure 25thmustang should be in here some time to tell you the same thing LOL

 

The fact that you have a manual trans and G92 will certainly help you. Because of that, you've got much better gearing, and that should help you alot.

You should find out whats been done to the Mustang first though. You never know, that 'lopey cam' might just be poor tuning!

 

you can think of the 5.0 mustang as compared to the 5.7 iroc in terms of performance.

 

I have a 305 TPI 5 speed car with 2.73s and mods. Also a 85 GT with 2.73s totally stock and the GT will walk all over my Z28.

 

Only, the 5.0 is faster, slightly, but still fater.

 

With the intake mods, plus headers and porting the heads do I stand a chance. Right now I will get walked I understand that. How much power do you think I can procure.

 

As much as i h8 to say this, I think he's got you.

Back when my 92 Z29 305 (G92) was stock, when it came to stock stang's, if it was auto I had it, no problem. For the 5-Speeds it pretty much came down to a drivers race.

I found from a stand still I always got them off launch, maybe the good old TPI has more TQ, but for mid range they seemed to have me, barly but the advantage was still note able enuff for me to not want to go them from a role.

I dont know if the Stangs are governed but they all seemed to top out around 220kmh (I think thats around 140mph) were as I could inch my car into the 230's. Plus my car seemed alot more stable at the higher speed's.

I dont think your proposed mod's will be enuff to make up the diference here unless you consider upgrading the cam too, something along the comp XE line, like say the XR264HR(works excellent with near stock heads) would do wonders for you.

 

Don't worry about any cam unless the heads have been opened up or swapped. Cams do very little on stock E7's. And you'll need to be more specific on mods. Just bolt-ons could mean anywhere from a 15 second slug to a 12 second screamer.

Most Stangs don't run at very high speeds due to 3.73 and 4.10 gears being very popular. Who races to 140 in a 14 or 15 second car anyway?

 

He said he was working them

We have, but then the closest city is like almost an hour away so...............

Cant say I do it anymore a) too many friends have hit deer in the past and b)gotten abit to old over the years to be out chalanging cars to any kind of race

but i am sure we all got a few good story's from our youth

 

When my 5.0 was pretty much stock, i never had a problem with any F-bods with a 305 engine in it.

The close races were always 5.0 vs 5.7

 

My car was 14.90@94 when auto still and just pulleys. I put full exhaust on it, went to a 14.84..go figure. These were all with heavy 17" rims. After just a 5spd swap... 13.80@100 with a best trap of 103.1 . Motor 100% stock and so are the gears. I could do just over 140 and had a nice steady pull all the way there.

 

Raced a 93 GT as a matter of fact last night in my girls 97 Z and walked him. Her car is auto, his was stick. He had a B303 cam with BBK headers and a dynomaX exhaust. He ended up running a 15.1(thats a 14.1 at sealevel)to me in her stock Z, except for the Gibson muffler, gutted cat and K&N filter, 14.5(13.5 more or less).
Now my little LB9 before the heads went 14.9's here. So he may get you. Mod for mod the 5.0 will get you everytime.
It should be fun to watch though.

 

I agree with most could be 11s, could be 15s...

My guess would be a 13 second car and in that case he has it all over you! Id say find out his exact mods and come back, then we will get a better idea!

It doesnt take much to make these cars scream, just some bolt ons, maybe a set of valves in the stock heads and you have a solid 12 second car!

 

couldn't agree more. Find the details and report back here stat! lol

 

Yea, it's hard telling. My friend ran 12.9 with just gears,exhaust, and slicks basically in his 93 LX. Stock MAF even still. Put a SC on and ran a 11.6@116.

 

i dont understand how these 5.0 mustangs are sooo powerful with so little mods...

 

They are probably more efficient motors.

 

Ya know I think i'll be the optimist on this one. I think you have a fair chance of beating that mustang. Even a tiny cam can make a mustang lopey at idle so it may not be modded all that much. With the free mods you can find in the tech articles here, ported intake and upgraded runners, and ported heads there is a good possibility that it will be very close. My 89 formula w/ 305 G92, w/ 3.70 gears and minimal mods ran a 14.0, so it can happen. A couple of times I got taken by 5.0 mustangs but it was always close. My advice would be to find out his mods and go from there, cuz you can save yourself making a fool of yourself by doing alittle research. Goodluck.

 

I don't know about you guys....but i've always been afraid of the ole 5.0's in a straight line. Back in the day they were the best car to buy in that price range if you wanted to go fast in a straight line. The problem with those cars is there stock cornering and handling. Now I don't know from experience, but I've heard they are pretty ****ty when it comes to staying planted around turns. It's probably the shorter wheelbase and less areodynamics.

Also...the rears in these cars seem to need more "custom" style mods in the rear when you start putting down real big numbers. Again....only what I've heard, no serious research or experience on the subject.

Ryan

 

Fox body's especially LX's are light,and the 5.0 is cammed better than the TPI from the factory. ...I think.
If GM would have offered a 5/6-speed for the 350 TPI it would have been a diffrent ballgame...later model TPI 305TPI's make as much power if not more than the 302 ford..its just pushing more car.
350 TPI's made a bit more power than the ford offering but had to run it through an automatic/and usually heavy optioned cars.

I tip my hat to the Fox body mustang...but a nice V8 in an escort dosen't do it for me...

But hey give it to ford for putting some forged internals in the 5.0 along with a pretty decent rear...even the Z06 ,a $50,000+ car dosent have any forged internals(sad)...
I know of guys running some decent shots of N20/boost on stock bottom end 302's...the blocks themselves are somewhat weak..the GM 350 block is quite a bit stronger..not to mention the head gaskets are an issue for the 5.0...but they run well.

Handling...its all F-body.
As far as styling..its an opinion,as far as i'm concerned...the Fox body isn't fit to be parked next to a Thirdgen..let alone be compared.

 

i totally agree 100 % wat ya said DON

 

The rear ends in the Mustangs are the exact opposite of what is said if we are talking straight line. They have an awesome design for drag racing, and even stock styled suspensions (meaning bolted in stock loactions, all the control arms and such) have gone into the 7s! Not too mention the 8.8 is very strong.

As far as why they go so fast, light weight, high revving motor, good torque and such.

As an example my friend with a 93 notch has stock motor, TB, MAF, pulleys, full exhaust, 3.73s, and suspension. Car has gone 12.77 @ 105 in this trim. The motor has never been apart and runs very stout! Many Mustangs have and can do this as well...

Handeling, they plain suck. They ar much more top heavy than Fbodies, narrower, shorter wheelbase, weaker stock tires, etc... They just werent designed to handle. Now with the right mods they will handle great, but I for one would choose a different platform.

Well without the mods again, its tough to judge, but theres more going for the Mustang than the Fbody (for the most part) and the outcome can be better guessed with mod lists!

 

exactly, i think Hot rod magazine did some articles on a 84 stang road racer and it did real good. won best handling for 1500bucks or something like that. i will try and get details on that but it did real go for a fox body.

 

i say the 5.0 wins like u guys said they respond to mods really well n its a manual but it shoudl be a good race just beacause ur iroc is a g92 and is a stick too but i think the 5.0 will end up walk away

 

It depends on the mods, the Mustang could be 14s or 11s... I mean I have bolt ons and a set of valves in my heads, nothing special, yet on street tires I can run with LS1s, you just never know with the 5.0s!

 

After meeting someone with one about 5 weeks ago. I got a lot more respect for the 80's fox bodies. I used to hate them, ugly looking, etc... I now respect them after seeing one up close and sitting in one. Good little cars, still lacking in the looks department IMO. Definatley quick little buggers.

 

I agree, I hated the way they look until I found the four eyes (still dont like the two eyes that much). Then I drove mine and was hooked, it was so much faster than my Z. Still think my Z is light years better looking tho

 

I think the Notchback cars look amazing! Around here, its hard to find a stock fox body. Everytime one ends up beside me at a light, I dont accept the challenge, why? They are ALL modded around here. We ran into a fox in my friends z, and we got smoked bad, by 25mph we just drove normal lol.

 

Haha, come on here. The Mustang came first, the escort was styled after it to help boost sales. Not even the same chassis or drive style anyway. But i agree with you. Kinda scary to see a mid 80's Escort GT complete with Mustang GT seats! It does look like a Mustang.


But the handling on the stock Fox 5.0 does suck stock. WHat do you expect, it's a '78 Chassis. But the aftermarket does help. A set of sprngs and shocks, subframe connectors and better tires makes a HUGE difference on these cars. And if that isn't enough, take your pick of coil over kits, PHB's, Watts links, etc.

Braking sucks too, but the popular swap these days are Sn95 brakes. I put a complete '98 Cobra 13"/11.6" 4-wheel disk setup on my Fox for under $600.

The new Mustangs do handle a lot better. My '03 handles pretty damn well for stock. It actually amazes me how planted it is in corners.

 

I don't think you can say that, it's a toss up. Well if they are stock that is.


I hear alot of 5.0 guys on other boards swear that all thirdgen fbodys run 15's and they all had 305's

 

Most Mustang guys are morons...

and run 14s with tons of mods!

 

5.0 is lighter, easy to mod, but gdamn fugly and small. Reminds me of an escort with a v8 I have had one though, had fun it was quick but it reminded me too much of an escort

 

All depends what "mustang" sites you are in. But alot do think that. But it's the same as every GM guy saying that a 5.0 is smaller than a 5.7 so it is slower no matter what! Or..like in the LS1 sites...nothing can beat an LS1. Just one of those things. You think that Mustang guys talk crap about 3rd gen F-body's...you should see what they say in the import sites! They have a race with a 2.8 RS and think it was a V8 or something. Kinda like how everytime someone smokes a 99 up Mustang it is a Cobra...with cars that run 15's. hehehe.

 

True..true. My Gt handled really good though with just some super sticky tires on 17x8.5" rims and a alignment. I could easily out corner my friends 2000 SS.mostly from his stock Goodyears being crap though.

I sold my GT BTW..... I want something older and different since I've had a bunch of these cars already and had this one for over 5 years. I think I'm going to be getting a 69 Mach I 428 CJ I'll let ya know....

 

I like these ones

My favorites are the black gt's or the white gt's with the grid tail lights.

 

Next time i see the kid i'll ask him, haven't seen his car lately and my hopes for the iroc have been dumped, i've been told not to build the motor, but i've been given another 305 iron heads which i was told i can build and i am being given an LSC special edition w/ a 302. deciding what to motor to build, though i am allowed to swap whatever i want into the Iroc. So what sounds good. Not allowed to touch the original tpi



Oh yeah nice stangs the guys stang looks like the first one

 

I love how those Mustangs look.

 

personally the convert looks like a sports car the others with some slight mods and stock hoods could pass for escorts. Hey my next door neighbor has a early 80's late seventies stang selling it, car has a rough idle in the bad way should i bother

 

Here is mine....






It's pretty clean.....

 

Stereo...

 

For some reason the top pic is working and the others are not????

 

Well....go here and look at mine..if those pics do not work for you

www.cardomain.com/id/fiveltrdave

 

I drive an '85 trans am, L69 5 spd 3.73 posi rear end. My dad rebuilt the motor at 108,000 miles and it's got about 137,000 on it now. It's stock other than the rebuild. When I got it in 1989, I used to race against 'escort' mustangs all the time and would blow them away. At the time, the only cars that blew me off the road were big block Camaros and Chevelles, Chargers, etc. I recently came up against a newer model GT and lost by about a car length or two. I have broken into the 14's with this car, but don't know how fast it will go as I've never gotten slicks for it. Is it unusual for a basically stock L69 to run this fast?

 

If you have just broken into the 14's then you must have raced some junk Mustangs. Most stock 5.0 5spd cars are mid 14's stock. My GT when it was auto was a 14.9 and that was pretty much all stock except pulleys, with exhaust and 5spd it ran a 13.80@100.. A kid I was friend with had a 83 305 HO car 5spd with the 3.73's and it was not that fast..low 15's at best stock..maybe mid 15's.

 

Heh. I think I can add a good $.02 to this... I owned a 1989 305 Formula, a 1989 GT and currently own a 1990 GT. Unless that Fox is in bad shape with a poor tune, you are in trouble. The 5.0s respond well to even minor mods, are light-weight and launch really well. Yeah, the interior is kinda weak and they don't handle as well as the 3rdGens, but for straight line racing stock to stock and mod for mod, I gotta give the edge to the 5.0...

 

I haven't just broken into the 14's, I said that I have broken into the 14's. For some reason since I moved to the east coast, I have had a problem with it producing the power it used to. I never had a track nearby, but in a marked off 1/4 mile I could get it over 100mph. At the track here, I'm running 91mph at right around 15 sec. I know if I could figure out what's robbing the power, and get a good set of tires, that I could get to the mid 14's or lower, since I am having 2.2+ sec 60ft times. The GT that I raced was a newer model, I'd guess 94-96.

Of course, then there is the arguement that *all* mustangs are junk

 

so you guys are telling me not to take it to the strip. I have been told his car is exceptionally fast, but i dont know what to say, the iroc is pretty damn quick for a stock 89' my deal is not puttin the car sideways, i may do a few stupid things would pullin the dual cats add power or screw with torque and exhaust flow. i.e. A.I.R. system